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Scratch Beer 57 - 2012 (Weizenbock) - Tröegs Brewing Company

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Scratch Beer 57 - 2012 (Weizenbock)Scratch Beer 57 - 2012 (Weizenbock)

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62 Ratings
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Ratings: 62
Reviews: 27
rAvg: 3.54
pDev: 16.1%
Wants: 0
Gots: 2 | FT: 0
Brewed by:
Tröegs Brewing Company visit their website
Pennsylvania, United States

Style | ABV
Weizenbock |  7.90% ABV

Availability: Limited (brewed once)

Notes & Commercial Description:
Beer added by: orangesol on 02-08-2012

This beer is retired; no longer brewed.

Scratch #57 is brewed with two cocoa powder varieties and two kinds of berries to create a tart twist on a classic German style. Unfiltered and carbonated to a near-champagne finish, the beer is 7.9% ABV. Fermented in our open-top fermentation room, the yeast gives hints of pepper and clove designed to complement the fruit flavors. The cocoa powders add bitterness and some mouthfeel; the boysenberries and raspberries provide a tart, dry finish and the vanilla yields a subtle, sweet finish to the beer.
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Ratings: 62 | Reviews: 27
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Photo of akorsak
3.21/5  rDev -9.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

A growler filled on 10-Feb. In a minu Duvel tulip.

A: The weizenbock is dark brown, ruddy highlights giving a reddish hint to it. Opaque, unfiltered, nothing gets through the fullness of the ale. A thin head, white, pools at the mouth of the glass.

S: As advertised, the chocolate is dominant, the first aroma to waft out of the glass. I wasn't expecting it to be as strong and able to handle the weizenbock's phenolic underbelly. The chocolate is sweet with a baker's edge to it; powdery even like Hershey's cocoa powder. The phenols, bubblegum and clove, work their way out later in the nose, the spicy and yeasty aroma that I was looking forward too.

T: Weizenbock, thankfully, first in the taste. The clove and bubblegum are plenty spicing but just as they get going, they run headlong into the chocolate. Where normally caramel provides a darker edge to the wheat, I'm afraid that the chocolate grinds the ale to a halt. It overpowers and turns the weizen aspects, drawing out an bitter cocoa flavor that is out of place. The chocolate builds into the finish, becoming moderately bitter. Experimental but I'm not sold. The flavors don't mesh and the uniqueness of the weizenbock gets assaulted by the chocolate.

M: The mouthfeel brings plenty of chocolate and weizenbock. To me, though, those aren't two flavors that I like to see come together. The hoppier scratches run circles around this one.

Photo of FeDUBBELFIST
3.51/5  rDev -0.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

Served in a tulip at the brewpub for $5. Sampled 3/24/12.

A: Arrives with 1 ½ fingers of barely light brown head. Retention is decent and the thick, crescent shaped collar remains even longer. The body is a medium-dark shade of amber brown. Adequate lacing.

S: The nose strikes a nice balance between cocoa powder and banana esters initially. But as you get deeper into the beer, the weizen yeast takes over, as do the adjuncts, which lead to an assault of berry, chocolate and banana aromas. As the beer warms up, the result is an intense nose that would probably benefit from simplicity - or subtlety at the very least.

T: Much like the nose – perhaps dialed back a tad. As the raspberry works its way onto the palate, it begins to offset the banana esters and meld with the chocolate flavor. The upfront flavor could still benefit from some refinement but it all comes together nicely on the backend.

M: Great mouthfeel. The sustained tingle on the tongue works with the raspberry tartness. Medium body. Crispy finish.

O: Not far from my liking. Just a little too flamboyant in my mind. If the cocoa were more subtly integrated – and the yeast profile less sharp – I would probably be a big fan of this one.

Photo of jmarsh123
3.33/5  rDev -5.9%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Pours deep caramel with an off-white head fading into a wisp.

Smells strongly of caramel and clove with a little banana.

Flavor is similar. Heavy banana flavors with a little bit of a spicy aftertaste.

Mouthfeel is rather thin with medium-high carbonation.

Kind of a weird beer. Nothing outright bad, but the flavor profile is kind of muddy.

Photo of DrinkSlurm
3.69/5  rDev +4.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Poured from tap at birch and barley into tulip. Pours a rusty amber. Thick head and good lacing.
Smells of chocolate, banana, and wheaty malt. It really smells fantastic.
Taste is very unique. Chocolatey wheat, but still keeping to the weizenbock traits.
Although germany would never allow such a brew, its a very unique tastey version. Lucky to grab a sip!

Photo of oline73
3.02/5  rDev -14.7%
look: 2.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Poured from a bottle into a standard pint glass.

Appearance: Pours a cloudy reddish amber/mahogany with a layer of off white head that goes away almost completely.

Smell: Quite sweet with notes of caramel, banana, and some cocoa. My first thought was banana liquor.

Taste: Not nearly as sweet as the smell would have indicated. Malt dominates with the caramel, chocolate, and banana notes showing up here as well. The finish is more bitter than I would have expected.

Mouthfeel: Medium body with tingly carbonation and a slightly dry finish.

Overall: Lots of banana notes here. I would have enjoyed it more without the bitterness in the finish.

Photo of CHickman
3.62/5  rDev +2.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Beer notes from 3/14/2012, on tap at Blind Tiger in NYC: pours a cloudy chestnut brown with a 2 finger creamy tan head that faded and left good spotty lacing.

Smells of wheat, roasted grains, caramel, cinnamon, light syrup, grass, herbs, cocoa powder and earthy tones like peat moss or wood; nice bock nose that was grainy overall.

Tastes like it smells, with wheat, roasted grains, caramel, hay, cinnamon, light syrup, light brown sugar, grass, herbs, oats, cocoa powder, spices like pepper and cumin, and earthy tones like peat moss or burnt wood; might even be some floral hops in the mix, but this beer is all grains, malts and wheat, and while a tad unbalanced it's still easy drinking.

Mouthfeel is light and crisp, with a medium body, mild carbonation and a smoky/grainy finish that's on the dry side.

A nice beer that went down very easy and hid the ABV well and seems to be on par for the style. I'd have this again and recommend trying it as it was interesting.

Photo of JunkYardJake
2.72/5  rDev -23.2%
look: 2.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 2.5

12oz bottle to weizen glass.
Lots of head on this one, thanks to a hard pour. Hazy and brown, this is not exactly a stunner. Smells of chocolate, banana and clove. The weizen yeast and chocolate both smell good seperately but don't come together well. Palate is on par with the nose. Strong malt bill and spicy yeast with a healthy portion of milk chocolate. I can tell the ingredients are top notch but the concept of this brew is a bit ill concieved. It just doesn't work. That being said, I was still able to polish off the two bottles in my posession. Not one I would revisit if it were put into reguar production.

Photo of BeerCon5
3.7/5  rDev +4.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Pours a dark amber color with about 1 finger of foamy off-white head with good retention.

The scent was of chocolate, berries and other dark fruits.

The taste was of dominant cocoa, a strong berry presence, notes of dark fruit and toasted malt.

Medium body, smooth and a little creamy, low to moderate carbonation.

This was a pretty decent beer, very flavorful but the chocolate was overpowering at times.

Photo of Rifugium
3.63/5  rDev +2.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

First had: bottle from Capone's, Norristown, PA

Poured a burnt umber color with a wispy layer of white bubbles for a head. Noticeable bits of sediment floating around. Aroma of baker's chocolate, dark dried fruits, rubber, and a bit of clovey spice. Taste followed the aroma pretty closely, with flavors of slightly bitter cocoa, berry candy, bubblegum, and an underlying essence of banana esters and a touch of spice in the finish. Very good, but not quite full in flavor as I was hoping for. Medium body and pretty drinkable overall.

Photo of OWSLEY069
3/5  rDev -15.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

Pours a hazy orange-ish to amber color with a tan head. In the aroma, raspberry fruitiness, with a faint note of chocolate. In the taste, a small dryness of caramel and cocoa, with just a hint of fruit. A small bite and a medium bodied mouthfeel, with a small dry cocoa in the aftertaste. Fruit in mostly all in the nose, and, well, it's interesting for sure, but not my speed.

Photo of aorloski
4.2/5  rDev +18.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

On tap at Canary Square, Boston for troegs tap takeover

A-pours a nice deep dark brown/ruby with good head retention

S- Smells delicious, dark chalky chocolate and sweet ripe raspberries

T - Follows the nose, a very nice creamy yet bitter chocolate wrapped up in dark fruits like a chocolate covered cherry or something. Tastes amazing

M - creamy and bubbly

Overall - I realllly liked this one, kind of dominant flavors of chocolate and dark fruit but thats fine by me.

Photo of John_M
4/5  rDev +13%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

On tap at Max's today.

The beer pours reddish brown amber color with good head retention and considerable sticky lacing. Nose is all weizen goodness, but there's other aromas too in this beer. I pick up brown sugar, some lavendar, berries, and almost a smoked meat aroma. The flavor profile replicates the nose, but is a bit less exotic. Still, this fairly sweet beer delivers considerable brown sugar, milk chocolate, berries and underlying spice. This is really a pretty tasty beer. Mouthfeel is medium bodied, with a fairly long, moderately sweet, spiced infused finish. Alcohol is very nicely integrated into the flavor profile, and drinkability is quite good.

Another impressive scratch beer from Troegs.

Photo of tobelerone
3.73/5  rDev +5.4%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Picked up a single at Capone's. Decent weizenbock, cloudy mahogany color with a smallish head. Not much retention or lace. Aroma of clove, banana, chocolate malt, other light spices. Taste follows the nose, standard banana/clove profile, more chocolate than expected, but still subtle, yeast and a touch of a mineral note. Hints of pepper, toffee and bubblegum, trace of booze in the finish. Lightly sweet, very little bitterness.

Medium-bodied and carbonated, feels like it could have been a touch fuller.

Photo of Chico1985
3.65/5  rDev +3.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Tap at Sierra Grille, brewed with 'cocoa and berries'.

Served in a snifter, color is dark reddish-brown with a 1-finger off-white head, retains well as a cap and leaves some lacing.

Big dark fruit/berries in the scent, some chocolate and toastiness there too. Good.

Taste really brings out the cocoa and berries, big chocolate syrup, blackberries and dark fruits are very strong and up-front. The weizenbock base comes out after a while with some wheat, clove and toasty lager malts. A bit of brown sugar, more and more cocoa there too.

Very foamy mouthfeel, a bit of alcohol heat.

The cocoa+berries are overpowering but it melds better after some time. Good overall, reminds me of Sam Adams Chocolate Bock.

Photo of orangesol
3.92/5  rDev +10.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Served on-tap at the brewery.

A - Pours dark brown, with a touch of ruby red around the edges, with a nice one and a half finger tall khaki colored head leaving light webs of lace down the glass.

S - Smells a little dull initially, pretty sure it was too cold, but once it warmed up a bit I noticed hints of sweet berries, chocolate, dark fruits, bready wheat, and some light spice.

T - Starts off with a nice berry twang quickly giving way to hints of dark fruits, wheat, vanilla and some nice chocolatey sweetness. As it warms up in the glass it really develops and changes. The berries begin to take a back seat to the sweetness but they don't go very far. Finish is a bit sweet, growing a little watery toward the end of the glass.

M - Medium body and flavor with moderate carbonation. Sweet, creamy feel initially growing a bit watery over the course of the glass. Not as chewy as I though it would be, the additions really helped to mask it well.

O - I liked this one. The berries and chocolate are pretty interesting and they work well with the wizen base. I like how it developed over the course of the glass, it really kept me interested. My first glass was very good, however more recent tastings have not been as good.

Photo of stakem
3.12/5  rDev -11.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Bottle into a pint glass. The brew pours a hazed amber color with some fine particulate stuck in suspension despite a careful pour. A finger of yellowish stained tan head sits atop about a finger and a half strong. The cap fades to a thin film across the top and a light swirl revives. When held to the light, some more amber red coloring shines through.

The smell of this brew has the expected yeast character of clove and hints of banana. There is a bit of bubblegum-like sweetness that mixes with a hint of vanilla before carrying over into the expected character of the added extra ingredients (or as Troegs calls it: JuJu.) The "JuJu" is evident with a berry fruit scent coupled with cocoa. The chocolate aspect is probably my favorite part of the aroma as it blends into some dark grain quality sometimes found in this base brew.

It takes quite a few sips before this brew starts to grow on me. Initially it is quite disjointed and is really all over the place. The collective combination of fruit, chocolate and the spicy yeast does not make for a pleasant experience. There is a mineral flavor present and a bit of herbal hoppiness that when combined with the yeast character and fruit makes for a taste that is almost like blood. Sounds weird doesn't it? Well, thats the best descriptor I could come up with. If you ever had a cut in your mouth you would know where im coming from with this. As it warms up, things get a little better. The flavor of the cocoa is probably my favorite aspect as it draws out long into the aftertaste.

This is a medium bodied brew with a moderate amount of carbonation. The nearly 8% abv if felt with a warmth down the back of the throat. Overall, I think this was an idea that sounded better on paper than what it really turned out to be. The combination of berries and chocolate really works in some brew (stout specifically) but this one just outright clashed with the spice of the yeast. It certainly is worth a try if you get a chance but if you miss out on it, I wouldnt be terribly upset about it.

Photo of thain709
3.7/5  rDev +4.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

A - Served with a cloudy, ruby tinted copper body and two fingers of light brown head...the head was also very pillowy as it settled into a thick ring and thin cap...nice lacing was left behind

S - Dark chocolate and cocoa powder are very predominate...the tart berries are subtle but provide the correct amount of fruitiness to the nose

T - The beer starts off with a blast of tart berries...they also have a bit of sweetness to them...eventually they give way to a big dark chocolate flavor...it has a bit of roast to it as well as being dry like cocoa powder (which was actually used)...the chocolate also gives a bitterness to the beer...as it finishes, the berries come back with a lighter tartness...the beer changes once it warms because the yeast and spice open up providing a different aspect of the beer

M - Medium bodied...nicely carbonated...bitter, tart, dry finish

O - I liked this one, yet I didn't...the aroma and finish were the best qualities of this beer...the flavors were there but could have worked a little better together

Photo of chefhatt
3.53/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Poured this beer into a pint glass. It has a nice amber color body with a a nice head that disaptes quickly to nothing. The smell has a sweet aroma to it with small hints of chocolate. The taste up front has a tart berry flavor to it, as it warms up the chocolate/cocoa flavor starts to come out. The mouth feel is great and overall a really good beer from Troegs. I also wanted to say that it is a very interesting beer also.

Photo of Darkmagus82
4.12/5  rDev +16.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Served in a 10 oz chalice glass

Appearance – Served an mahogany/dark amber color with a nice slightly off white head. The head had some persistence, but eventually gave way to some decent lacing.

Smell – The smell is of some cocoa with a nice sweetness of caramel and some good bready malt. There are sweeter fruit aromas that are present as well; aromas of banana and berries are most prevalent, but some other lighter dark fruit aromas are present as well.

Taste – There is a nice biscuit base that is present throughout the taste. In the beginning the fruity flavors that were detected in the nose are quite heavy. Banana and berries are strong, mixing with the biscuit and some yeasty flavors quite well. More towards the middle the taste transitions from some of the berry and banana to more cocoa. The berry and banana are never lost though, and in the end there is this rather satisfying cocoa fruit and malt flavor left on the tongue. Quite nice.

Mouthfeel – The thickness of the body was a bit above average and the carbonation level was rather average. It was fitting for the nice complex characteristics of the brew.

Overall – This was a nice beer. While some of the flavors and aromas many not seem to complement each other on paper before you experience the beer , once you give it a try you notice they go together quite nicely. If you get a chance give it a try. This is one I would go to again and again.

Photo of yourefragile
1.77/5  rDev -50%
look: 4 | smell: 2 | taste: 1 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 1.5

12 oz bottle picked up at the brewery.

Pours a clear ruby brown with suspended sediment and a retentive tan head. Streaks of lace. Nose is...bitter ash tray? Starts with mild malt sweetness and light clove before descending into the depths of despair of a rural PA bowling alley on a Saturday night. Upon first sip, I realize it is no longer Saturday night, but Tuesday afternoon. Apparently we decided mixing cardboard, banana yeast, cigarette ash, tears, charcoal, broken dreams, chilies, teen age pregnancy, the Phillies losing 1-0, Nickelback at Hershey Park and cocoa was a good idea. Eff...this was terrible.

Photo of drabmuh
3.2/5  rDev -9.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

On tap at Churchkey in DC. Beer is brown with a thin tan head fo small bubbles, some lacing, low retention, low carbonation.

Aroma is sweet and has this tootsie roll sort of thing going on. Odd.

Beer is light in body and super super sweet, the finish is mildly bitter but there is this almost milk chocolate candy feel to the whole thing, a little overwhelming and off putting if you ask me, the yeast and wheat are eclipsed by the chocolate in the this beer, a clear miss for me.

Photo of NoLeafClover44
3.35/5  rDev -5.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Scratch #57 - Chocolate Weizenbock. Had this one on-tap at the Brewery, but this review will be from one of the bottles I brought home.

A - Pours a murky mahogany-brown color with a two finger off-white head. The head dies but I nice lacing remains down the glass.

S - Smells like a chocolate covered banana with some dark fruits, clove, and booze. The smells don't quite meld the way I would like. It is unlike anything I have smelled before, but I am back and forth on whether I like it or not.

T - It has a very rich flavor composed of serious malt, weizen yeast, banana, and spice. There is also a molasses character that contributes to the full flavor. The aftertaste is an unpleasant mix of metallic, bitter, and burnt brown sugar. I enjoyed the flavor of the beer, but the bad aftertaste lingers. It leaves banana on the breath.

M - The carbonation compliments the full body giving this a smooth, velvety feel.

O - I am all for experimental beers, but this one wasn't my favorite. The flavors of the beer worked but the aftertaste was not good. It was a bit rich for my liking but not out of character for the style. I am glad I tried it, but I am not disappointed that this is a once and done scratch series brew.

Photo of Tucquan
3.7/5  rDev +4.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Had this on 2012-02-25 at the brewery.

A - Cloudy brown with a short off-white head and mild lacing.

S - Milk chocolate / cocoa powder is the predominant smell with a touch of wheat malt and alcohol underneath.

T - Hey, it's a milk chocolate beer. The chocolate dominates the wheat, clove banana flavors. There's mild hop bitterness complimented by some roasted grain and dark choclate bitterness. There's also a mild sour grain note, which helped balance the flavors.

M - Light-medium body and carbonation. Moderately smooth and crisp.

O - An enjoyable chocolate weizenbock, as advertised. Worth a try.

Photo of BdubleEdubleRUN
3.58/5  rDev +1.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Live review bottle courtesy of Stakem poured into a pint.
A- Looks good, slightly murky brown amber color with a large frothy off white head that fades to a thick film over the beer and leaves a lot of head residue.
S- Some milk chocolate on the nose that mixes with some bready yeast tones. The nose really doesn't present itself until the beer warms a bit. there is also a hint of spice like clove.
T- Belgian yeast is very prevalent with banana, clove and biscuits. There's also some subtle chocolate undertones that work their way forward.
M- Medium bodied brew with a slight slickness to it, goes down easy and leaves some flavor to linger.
O- Pretty good beer that I would drink again, thanks Stakem. The first one I had with a baked potato and stuffed bell pepper and it was terrific.

Photo of MDDMD
3.65/5  rDev +3.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

A-brown and amber color with a small white head and no significant lacing

S-malt and chocolate notes

T-roasted malt and chocolate with hints of berries and mild hoppy flavor

F-light to medium body with moderate carbonation

O-interesting beer to try, not sure I would drink this too frequently

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Scratch Beer 57 - 2012 (Weizenbock) from Tröegs Brewing Company
81 out of 100 based on 62 ratings.