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Hitachino Nest Sweet Stout (Lacto) - Kiuchi Brewery

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Hitachino Nest Sweet Stout (Lacto)Hitachino Nest Sweet Stout (Lacto)

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BA SCORE
71
okay

318 Ratings
THE BROS
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Ratings: 318
Reviews: 207
rAvg: 3.03
pDev: 21.45%
Wants: 4
Gots: 9 | FT: 0
Brewed by:
Kiuchi Brewery visit their website
Japan

Style | ABV
Milk / Sweet Stout |  3.90% ABV

Availability: Year-round

Notes/Commercial Description:
No notes at this time.

(Beer added by: purplehops on 07-01-2002)
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Reviews by erz316:
Photo of erz316
2.25/5  rDev -25.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 2 | feel: 1.5 | overall: 1

330ml bottle poured into old speckled hen pint glass.

A - sure looks good. the bottle pours a deep black, completely opaque bod; on top rests a light brown head with good retention. nothing I can complain about.

S - smells like malted milk: you've got sweet roasted malts, combining with the obvious milk scent... I dont quite know, just really smells like a box of whoopers. there is also a bit of caramel in there as well.

T - ugh. now I see what every one was talking about! I've never had a beer that had a such an undesirable sour flavour before, and not a good sour. the sour is not quite like a sour cream, more it is like if you leave (I know this from experience sadly) a package of Fage greek strained yogurt in your fridge for several months, go to college and come back and try to eat it. yeah, it was a weird sensation. there is some sweet roasted malt flavour, at the back of the tongue, as well as some chocolate flavour int eh mouth at the back of the tongue. but good god the spoiled milk flavour hits the tip of the tongue hard! the finish is a bit smoother, with the malts making a resurgence, while the aftertaste is clean and a bit sour.

MF&D - I think I may have finally found a beer with a more unapealing consistency than guinness draught! but seriously this beer could man up, and get some body to match its midnight black color. I would certainly not want another one of these beers.

erz316, Feb 06, 2009
More User Reviews:
Photo of RoyalT
2.6/5  rDev -14.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 2 | overall: 2

Appearance – This one poured a dark brown in color with a low head that showed decent retention.

Smell – The darkish malts were rightly complimented with some good cocoa and a hint of milk.

Taste – Oh, where did the sour milk come from? It smells almost rancid and completely overpowered the malts, which fell apart at the tongue.

Mouthfeel – Light to medium-bodied and sour, but not in a good “oud bruin” kind of way.

Sinkability – I couldn't finish much of this bottle.

RoyalT, Sep 03, 2004
Photo of DaPeculierDane
4.05/5  rDev +33.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Note: I am completely ignoring style in this review.

AP: Deep Mahogony body, thin and dissipating tan head.

A: Lambic like sourness. Lactic acid in the extreme. Roasted malts.

T: more lactic acid, roasted malts, coffee, milk, chocolate, lemon peals, lime zest, and wonderful lambic like acids.

MF: SOUR, SOUR, SOUR! Wonderfully sour. Blistering astringency. Thin body, much much too thin for any style but the wonderful sourness is so refreshing. If this beer was marketed as a black lambic it would be much more highly received.

D: Slightly above average.

As a “milk stout” this is the worst I have ever had, but as a beer I just love it. It has so many of the characteristics that I find charming and addicting in lambics, gauzes, and winter saisons. Absolutely unique and innovative.

DaPeculierDane, Mar 27, 2006
Photo of JudgeRoughneck
4.18/5  rDev +38%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 4.5

Opaque, brown, milkshake color head is huge on this stout, and slow to go. Nose is roasty coffee, caramel, roast chocolate, herbal hop, and fruity, spicy and nutty yeast products. Crazy.

The first thing that hits me is fruit bouquet, then herbal hop ushers in phenols. There is a sourness I find off-putting and tobacco in the finish. Good if you don't think of it as stout. Awesome with lamb. This stuff is definately different. Mouthfeel gets points off for stinging.

JudgeRoughneck, Jul 04, 2007
Photo of Todd
1.88/5  rDev -38%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 1.5 | feel: 2 | overall: 1

Presentation: 12oz short brown bottle. No freshness date.

Appearance: Near pitch black beer with dark brown hues and a clinging tan laced head -- good retention.

Smell: "Thick" smelling, milky, sugary ...

Taste: Fizzy mouthfeel, sharp sour flavours (from the lacto), acidic, coarse, dry malts, little sweetness except for hints of chocolate and a dextrin body. Thin, light milky consistency. Apple, pear and earth. Any hop bitterness is masked by the lacto characters and an astringent roasted flavours. Finish leaves an oddness on the palate.

Notes: Kiuchi Brewery produces some outstanding beers, but this is not one of them. There's nothing "sweet" about this beer. It's horribly balanced and the use of lacto in this beer is abusive and overwhelming to the point of making it nearly undrinkable.

Todd, Sep 08, 2002
Photo of jmshulk
2.75/5  rDev -9.2%
look: 4 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 2 | overall: 2.5

Aroma: There is a bit of a strong cream aroma with some carmel and molasses. I also get a weird sour milk smell, that kind of turns me off.

Appearance: Dark dark brown, basically black, with a nice rocky tan head with a little retention. Little bit of lace. Doesn't look too bad.

Taste: A little bit of molasses sweetness and maybe some malts, but not much. Hop bitterness is too balanced leading to little sweetness. The taste is a bit thin. A coffee aftertaste.

Feel: Like the taste there could be a little more body in this beer. Low carbonation.

Overall: Kind of meh. Probably won't pick this up again. Just doesn't have a nice smooth creamy mouthfeel that I would like. Also not enough sweetness.

Serving: 11.2 oz bottle in shaker
Date: 10/2/2011

jmshulk, Oct 03, 2011
Photo of Jason
3.23/5  rDev +6.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

A shade or two from total black in colour, nice looking foamy tan lace holds to the side of the glass in the beginning.

Smells slightly astringent with a light tartness from the roasted malts … hint of dark caramel and lacto sugar also.

Crisp with a viscous smoothness from the full body and sturdy carbonation. A little tartness from the roasted malts, acrid in a way with some astringency. Some creamy sweetness from the lacto sugar in not enough to balance and the astringent roasted maltiness encroaches on the palate even more. Finishes with the residual lacto sugar sweetness and a fading roasted character.

If it was not for the addition of lacto sugar this brew would be nearly undrinkable. This is a beer to sip with a hearty meal and perhaps too full of a brew that you would want as a session style beer. Not a bad stab at the style.

Jason, Sep 08, 2002
Photo of merlin48
2.88/5  rDev -5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 2.5

11.2 oz bottle with a cute owl on the cap, as well as the label. Pours into a pint tumbler like a light bodied porter, but is very opaque black chestnut in the glass. Not much of a head, but it leaves some cocoa ring lace and a similar oil slick on top.
Aroma is Japanese? Sour cream is not what I was expecting from anybody's stout, but it's here and combines with coca cola, coffee, and bittersweet chocolate flavors to provide a drinkable and challenging experience. It's light bodied for a stout, and has respectable components of dark roasted malts and chocolate notes to overpower the scalded milk notes. A very interesting brew, indeed. If you enjoy chocolate on your cottage cheese, you will definitely like this stout. I'm awarding it a 5.0 for Peculiarity. Not for the squeamish.

merlin48, Feb 07, 2004
Photo of BlueHammer
3.3/5  rDev +8.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

This beer definitely requires an acquired taste. It was not especially suited to my normal beer taste, but I was curious so I went ahead and tried it. It was served to me in the bottle which I poured into the glass.

It has a sour milk smell. The smell could also be compared to that of sourdough bread. It pours a very dark, deep brown, completely opaque. The head dissapates quickly leaving some light lacing as it is drunk. The taste is very sour which can make it difficult to drink if you are not used to or don't particularly care for this taste. It is flat with no carbonation.

I think there are better beers of this particular style. This is one that is worth a taste but I doubt I will try it again.

BlueHammer, Apr 09, 2006
Photo of warriorsoul
3.33/5  rDev +9.9%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Thanks to fitzIPAtrick and growler for having this brew on hand.
Pours a pitch black with two full fingers of cocoa-colored head...very thin producing little lace.
Smell is decent...some dark chocolate, a touch of vanilla, and sweet malt in the mix, with some carbonation in the nose.
The taste is enjoyable enough...mild in flavor with mainly chocolate and a sweet vineous character finishing it off.
Mouthfeel is thin and the carbonation is high...either way, it is a decent offering with a bit too much carbonation to consume easily. It is a sipper and gets much better as it warms.
A nice warm up to the evening...

warriorsoul, Nov 21, 2005
Photo of tigg924
2.35/5  rDev -22.4%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 2 | feel: 2 | overall: 2.5

Appearance: black in color, 1/3 inch head, opaque

Smell: cream and malt

Taste: burnt malt, sour milk-especially near the end, sugar, semi-sweet chocolate

Mouthfeel: light bodied, sweet, some sourness which does not work with the style, high carbonation

Drinkability: I am not a fan and will pass on in the future. The sourness is a bit too overbearing for the style. When you mix that with the background sugar sweetness, the beer does not work. Way different for the style-not bad if you want just to try a sour beer.

tigg924, Jan 18, 2010
Photo of Mora2000
2.95/5  rDev -2.6%
look: 4 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

The beer pours a brown color with a cream-colored head. The aroma is heavy on the cream, with some lactose, chocolate and roasted malt mixed in. There is also a slight medicinal aroma which I am not really caring for. The flavor is more straightforward, with the basic characteristics of cream, lactose and chocolate. Medium mouthfeel and medium carbonation.

Mora2000, Jun 03, 2012
Photo of FMetzger
4.05/5  rDev +33.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

A: Nice dark body. Head is light khaki and thin. Not quite as heady as some.
S: Sweet and slightly grainy. Smells good.
T: Sweetness comes through on middle and back of tongue. Interesting dryness to the tip of the tongue. Not overdone, which I think adds to the drinkability.
M: A little thin, which I was not prepared for with the added lactose. A little fuller of a feel on the tongue would add to this beer.
D: Easy drinker. I definitely could have more than one. Thankfully it is low in alcohol, so that won't be a problem.

FMetzger, May 14, 2008
Photo of djmitche
1.15/5  rDev -62%
look: 2 | smell: 1 | taste: 1 | feel: 2 | overall: 1

I have to say up-front that, compared to the other reviews of this beer, I suspect I have a sour bottle. Still, the review stands - if Kiuchi is going to ship sour beer, then I'll review the sour beer.

The appearance is *very* dark, with a tiny brown head that fades before you can put down the bottle. The nose is of the brine from green olives -- seriously! The taste is similar, dominated by a sourness and I could swear a bit of saltiness. I can barely make out some burnt maltiness.

I'm a fan of sweet stouts for their almost syrupy texture. This beer doesn't have any of that - it's very thin. This is consistent with a soured batch, as lots of critters other than S. Cervesiae will happily devour lactose.

I'm not sure I'll finish this bottle, and I'm certainly not tempted to buy another, so I can't give it anything above "Awful" in the drinkability category.

djmitche, Dec 01, 2010
Photo of innominat
3.5/5  rDev +15.5%

innominat, Mar 28, 2014
Photo of WVbeergeek
2.05/5  rDev -32.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 1.5 | feel: 2 | overall: 2

Pours a deep ruby brown almost opaque, with a moccha highly carbonated fizzy two fingered head, and from my pour is leaving no lace at all. The aroma is a sharp slightly acidic sweetness, this is my first time grappling with a milk or cream stout so here it goes. Underneath of the harsh sourness are light coffe tones and dark chocolate from the dark roasted barley malt. The flavor at first seems a bit offensive from the rush of acidity, but I think it's growing on me after my fourth sip a little. The light flavors in the background from the dark roasted malts are definitely overshadowed from the sourness in the flavor creating an unbalance that doesn't form a happy experience with me. Nice to try a stout from a Japan micro, but I will try the Hitachino Nest wit and wheat before I count them off as bad brewers. The overall mouthfeel is a bit thin for this lucious style of a stout, and I just can't get down with this beer on any level. Drinkability is low due to the fact that the sourness overbears the rest of the characteristics of the beer therefore ruining the pleasures this beer has to offer.

WVbeergeek, Jun 15, 2003
Photo of chinchill
3.38/5  rDev +11.6%
look: 4 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

330 ml stubby bottle served in a pint glass. Some dark sediment remaining in the bottom of the glass added mid-tasting.

Pours an opaque near-black with a creamy tan head. Head dies down soon but leaves a lasting ring and partial top coat.

The aroma is not as expected, being a bit weak, not particularly sweet, and with a quality suggestive of teriyaki sauce and certainly not that of a typical stout. Aroma suggests a higher ABV than 4%.

The taste too was different than expected, wither based on style or aroma. Most notably, although not bitter this "Sweet Stout" is not sweet. In fact, it has a nice hop balance that is unusual for style and suggestive of a West Coast stout. Some chocolate initially followed by some coffee and teriyaki sauce in the finish. Rating leans towards 3.5.

The mouthfeel is a little bit thin and astringent for style (detriments), as well as crisper and more lively (not a detriment IMO). Semi-dry finish.

O - an enjoyable and modestly distinctive stout that is neither heavy nor sweet.

chinchill, Aug 21, 2011
Photo of OStrungT
4.03/5  rDev +33%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.5

This beer pours a very dark brown with a thin light brown head. The head fades quickle, leavinga good lacing.

This beer has a malty sweet aroma. I can desect a slight coffee smell. It has a little nutty presence also. Maybe just a hint of chocolate in there also.

This beer has a light coffee like taste. It has trace flavors of chocolate. It is also pretty sweet. It has a slight flavor of half and half. The kind from McDonalds when it is a little warm.

This beer is carbonated well. It has a creamy texture to it. It goes down smooth, leaving a creamy half and half like aftertaste.

This beer would probably be a good session beer. It is very low in alcohol, so that definately wouldnt be a problem. Also, the flavor is not offensive or overbearing. I think this beer is pretty good. The half and half flavor took a little while to get used to, but not I kind of like it.

OStrungT, Mar 23, 2006
Photo of rhoadsrage
4.03/5  rDev +33%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.5

(Served in an American pint glass)

A- This beer has a opaque dark brown body with a tan head that is thick and creamy but sounds a bit like soda pop when pouring. The head settles to a thin layer after a bit.

S- The smell of dark roasted malt and grain has a very nutty almost hazelnut aroma to it. There is some earthiness to the roast and it is a light aroma.

T- This beer has a faint nutty flavor and instant coffee (but in a positive way) accent to the malt flavor. There is a strong milk flavor to the malt aswell. There is no real hop finish but a note of dry carbonic bite balances the malts.

M- This beer has a medium mouthfeel with a creamy texture that makes the mouthfeel more full. No astringency or alcohol warmth.

D- I would call this a Japanese stout. Its flavors remind me of the taste of traditional Japanese cuisine. Very soft subtle flavors yet complex and interesting at the same time. There are nuances that are good flavors but hard to describe. Nice beer that is subtle, yet mysteriously interesting.

rhoadsrage, Feb 19, 2006
Photo of DagFishHead
1.48/5  rDev -51.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 2 | taste: 1 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 1

This review is from my notes of a previous tasting. I'm entering it because I've entered a number of very favorble reviews, and believe it's important to also include reviews of brews that "aren't so hot."
This beer has a reasonably nice appearance. Deep brown, though too light for a stout. Weak head vanished immediately, with no lace to speak of.
Aroma is acidic and overwhelmed by an extremely earthy, mineral and "spoiled milk" nose.
Taste: compared to a Mackeson's, Sam Adams CS or St. Peter's CS, the lacto factor is way, WAY out of balance for me. Extremely earthy (dirt), and an almost stinging acidity. I've traveled quite extensively in the far east, and so I tried very hard to be sensitive to cultural differences in "taste" in this review, but it's hard for me to believe this is something the masses anywhere are clamoring for.
Mouthfeel is way too thin and watery for a stout.
Drinkability: I'm sorry to say I finally poured this beer out (I do that maybe once a year, tops). I gave this tasting numerous chances, letting it warm up, etc... but for my taste, this brew is nearly offensive.

DagFishHead, Oct 26, 2003
Photo of biboergosum
2.95/5  rDev -2.6%
look: 4 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

330ml stubby, with that hypno-owl staring straight out from the label.

This beer pours a solid black 'hue', with no edges or highlights, and one finger of thin creamy beige head, which leaves a low ring of lace around the glass in its hasty departure. It smells of faint roasted caramel malt, and sour milk. The taste is chocolate, coffee, and a milder version of the sour milk from the aroma. The carbonation is quite low, the body quite light and thin, but still coming up smooth and creamy somehow. It finishes quite plainly, on a drying note.

At first whiff, I was expecting the worst. However, the sourness, presumably from the lactose, settles down for the most part. What's left is indeed sweet and milky, but without a whole lot else in term of actual flavour. Not worth seeking out.

biboergosum, Dec 23, 2010
Photo of GilGarp
3.33/5  rDev +9.9%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

11.2 oz. stubby brown bottle served cold into a lowball glass.

Lacto is very dark brown in color and the tan colored head settles almost immediately. It basically looks like a flat coke.

Aroma is sweet and full of roasty malt. This part seems just right for the style.

Flavor is a bit odd. At first it seems like a very light porter. Given it's dark color, I was expecting much more in the chocolate malts flavor but it's so mild. Milk stouts usually are, I understand, but this one is even more so. Then the weird part - it tastes like someone squirted a little lemon juice in there before bottling. It comes through right on the finish of each sip but it's a strange (off?) flavor that I wasn't expecting.

Mouthfeel is lighter than most stouts with a effervescence that seems wrong for the style. Finishes sweet so I doubt it was a champagne yeast but that's what the mouthfeel is telling me.

Overall this is a confused and confusing beer. It's probably worth a try but, given the price, I would never buy it again.

GilGarp, May 26, 2010
Photo of Metalmonk
2.88/5  rDev -5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 1.5 | overall: 2.5

Pours a fudge-like black, which is wonderful, but that head just looks weird: some of the biggest bubbles I've seen on any beer's cap, kind of like sea-foam. Really interesting.

Aroma is quite sweet, reminds me of chocolate/peanut butter cupcake frosting. Anise pushes through in the background. Also pretty yeast-laden. As with the look, it's certainly a bit different.

Tastes like watery chocolate milk, with caramel and toffee limping up to the front for attention. Cheap chocolate lingers in the finish. Kind of plastic-y overall. Something about it I liked, probably the sweetness, which was obviously a little more upfront than your usual stout, but generally it's a little weird, and that "texture"...

The mouthfeel is revolting--for a stout. Carbonation is crisp to the point of having an almost numbing effect on the tongue, while the body itself is watery. I can't imagine wanting this texture in any kind of beer style, but especially not a stout of any sort.

Not good. I'm amazed this is by the same brewery responsible for the completely wonderful Celebration ale. I'll keep trying Hitachino stuff--so far they've got one truly great beer, one so-so beer (Red Rice ale) and this thing.

Metalmonk, Nov 12, 2008
Photo of RockyTopHeel
4.03/5  rDev +33%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Thin, dense, espresso crema-colored head. Sweet Stout is very, very dark brown in color and smells a bit like Kahlua, with chocolate and cafe latte notes. The taste is creamy, with strong coffee and cream flavor and a touch of dry cocoa. The influence of the lactose is easy to detect, as it makes this brew creamy, sweet, and a touch sour in the finish. Nice, full mouthfeel. This beer isn't at all oppressive, especially for a stout, and is surprisingly easy to drink. Overall, it reminds me very much of a slightly smoky Kahlua flavor. I'll have this one again.

RockyTopHeel, Oct 03, 2003
Photo of dancinwillie
2.53/5  rDev -16.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 2 | overall: 2

a: Poured into a pint glass. Pours a dark black, with a tan, 2 finger head. Head drops to a covering withing minutes.

s: Smells very sweet, and I can't tell what it's from, with a little roasted malt coming through. I'm hoping the sweetness isn't too much.

t: Very sweet indeed. Clove up front, which is a weird taste to me in a milk stout. Not necessarily bad, I've just not encountered it before. Upon further tasting, the clove taste seems to diminish, however, and the beer itself seems more balanced. Very sweet, picking up on the roasted malt, although a little more would'nt hurt.

m: smooth, but a little thin.

d: a weird brew, not too bad, but a lot of the taste, I wasn't used to. I would have to say I would not buy this beer again, although I would try it again if someone offered it to me.

dancinwillie, Aug 29, 2006
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Hitachino Nest Sweet Stout (Lacto) from Kiuchi Brewery
71 out of 100 based on 318 ratings.