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He Said (Baltic Porter) - 21st Amendment Brewery

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Reviews: 97
Hads: 480
Avg: 3.71
pDev: 26.15%
Wants: 10
Gots: 70 | FT: 0
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California, United States

Style | ABV
Baltic Porter |  8.20% ABV

Availability: Fall

Notes & Commercial Description:
Beer added by: Beerlover on 10-03-2013

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Photo of Lukass
2.91/5  rDev -21.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Pours like a normal Baltic porter. Black, with a little brown shining through on the top, with a creamy khaki head that dissipated after about 10 min. Smell is already off to a bad start. Smells of cheap Concord grape wine, and the spices come off like gluhwein and peanut butter. In other words, a PB and J sandwich, but not in a good way. Taste is much of the same - peanut butter and jelly, and the astringent heat of alcohol like a cheap malt liquor. I don't know if I got a bad batch or what, but I almost drain poured this one (would've been my second..). I don't know what they were thinking with the spices on this one but it was just nasty. I'm normally a fan of 21st amendment but this one fell way short of what I was expecting. Much different from the other He Said, which was phenomenal, IMO.

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Photo of Brutaltruth
3.3/5  rDev -11.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3.25 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 3.25

From the 12 oz can in a pint glass. This porter pours a blackish brown with a nice head of tan foam that subsides to a thick ring and layer with nice lacing. Nose of cinnamon, mace, roasted malts, brown sugars, and vegetable notes. Flavors follow the nose with light spiced pumpkin and near charred brown sugar with a nutmeg background. Good for the pumpkin lover. Lightly dry finish. Moderate carbonation. Not my cup of brew. Looking forwards to the triple and hoping for a better outcome. Love 21st Amendment, not a fan of this one though.

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Photo of mfnmbvp
3.48/5  rDev -6.2%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

12 fl oz. can, canned on 09/02/2015. My second of the two pumpkin brews from 21st Amendment. "Lager brewed with pumpkin and spices".

Poured into a Duvel tulip glass.

A - Pours a black cola colored body, thinner, and more watery in appearance than a stout. 4 big fluffy fingers of bubbly chocolate cream head. Good fat fluffy strands of lacing.

S - More cola in the nose: spicing is apparent, but nothing too distinct. Notes of chocolate, herbs, and spice rack. No over pumpkin / gourd, or even cinnamon for that matter. 'Cola' is the best descriptor I can conjure. Maybe some very mild notes of pie crust / diacetyl when I really look for it.

T - Taste follows the nose: a thin, slightly watery cola flavored brew. Spices are apparent, but again indistinct. No cinnamon, thyme, or allspice stands out, but doubtless they are in there. Mild notes of peppery spice on the finish.

M - Feel is thin & watery, for the style and the abv. Mild lingering notes of chocolate & spices. Medium-bodied with crisp carb. Almost a bit of peppery chile spice finish.

Overall, not quite doing it for me. This one misses the mark, in my honest opinion. Not terrible, but definitely not enough pumpkin going on here to keep things interesting, and a bit too much cola spicing on this one.

21st Amendment He Said (Baltic-Style Porter) -----3.5/5

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Photo of mvanaskie13
3.42/5  rDev -7.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 3.25

Poured into a pint glass, color is black, kind of dense, head is tan, light lacing, lingers well with a nice cap.

Smell is has a nice cinnamon kick, maybe some light ginger, then some sweeter malt character, spiciness lingers.

Taste is a little neutral and less distinctive than the aroma, mild spiciness, cinnamon, clove, ginger, all spice are present, then some lighter pumpkin like vegetal qualities. Baltic porter profile is noticeable in the malt, but the finish is a bit harsh from the spices.

Mouthfeel is a bit dry on the tongue from the spiciness, thought the spice level seems subdued in flavor.

Overall, an interesting take on the blended style, it really hides the abv well from the spice and porter qualities but the flavor and finish aren't to my preference.

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Photo of BEERMILER12
3.58/5  rDev -3.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

A: Pours a near pitch black color with 2 fingers of head that fades down to a thin ring of lace

S: Lots of pumpkin spices up front. Some roast, pumpkin, and coffee behind the spices. Very odd

T: Follows the nose. Starts off with some muddled pumpkin spices and goes into some roasted malts, coffee, and vegetal pumpkin. Finishes with lingering spices

M: Medium-full bodied with moderate carbonation

O: Really just an odd combination of spices and roast. You would think it would work out better, but it never really fully works out. Drinkable for 8.2%, though. I think the tripel easily takes the cake between the 2 beers in the 4-pack

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Photo of ThisWangsChung
2.73/5  rDev -26.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

The nose is interesting, to say the least. It's one part pumpkin ale, one part big lager. Just like the tripel, I do find the spicing overly strong. This one seems very gingery to me. Still, touches of smoke, dark fruits, lightly roasted grain, and some diacetyl show up with vigor. But holy balls, this one tastes spicy. I get massive flavors of ginger, nutmeg, allspice, and cinnamon, to the point of excess. There is a touch of actual pumpkin character near the back end, along with a chocolaty 'bite'. This is way too spicy tasting in general, however. It feels a bit slimy on the palate, though this comes with the territory of the style. All in all, this one doesn't work very well, due to how out of balance this one is. I expected this to be a little better than the tripel version, but it just isn't.

2.73/5: I said: OVERSPICED

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Photo of puboflyons
3.96/5  rDev +6.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 4

From the 12 fl. oz. can. Sampled on October 25, 2015.

It pours very dark brown to near black with a long lasting, foamy tan head. Opaque.

The aroma is a wide array of characters including oatmeal, licorice, black current, soy sauce, and mild roasted malt. THin hop profile.

Medium body.

The oatmeal character leads the way in the taste but there is a mild bitterness to finish. Some black licorice too. Fascinating.

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Photo of frasergrove
3.49/5  rDev -5.9%
look: 4 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

L: dark, quickly fading head

S: mild dark sugar sweetness mixed with some spice, notes of cardamom

T: some spicy notes, malty and toasty notes, not super complex

F: muted bitterness, spice dominates

O: interesting beer, good, not great

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Photo of smcolw
3.86/5  rDev +4%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 3.75

Small head but it leaves an initial ring of lace and many streaks thereafter. Deep brown color where light shines through the edge.

A bit chalky but otherwise I get a lot of darker chocolate. There's a bit of sourness in the background.

Mild start to the flavor, it's as if the dark malt is hidden. The swallow, however, is very complex with the chocolate malt coming through with lots of spices (ginger predominantly, along with cinnamon and nutmeg). Modest hop flavor. Thin bodied with a high carbonation.

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Photo of UCLABrewN84
3.64/5  rDev -1.9%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Canned on: 9/2/15.

Pours an opaque black with a foamy dark khaki head that settles to a partial film on top of the beer. Foamy swaths of lace form around the glass on the drink down. Smell is of roasted malt, pumpkin pie spice, brown sugar, and dark fruit aromas. Taste is much the same with earth, pumpkin pie spice, molasses, and slight char flavors on the finish. There is a mild amount of roast and spice bitterness on the palate with each sip. This beer has a lower level of carbonation with a slightly crisp mouthfeel. Overall, this is a pretty good beer with interesting flavors, but the mix of aromas is much better to me.

Serving type: can.

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Photo of anohvc
3.99/5  rDev +7.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4

Poured from the can into a tulip glass, this baltic porter pours a deep black color with an inch mocha-colored head that recedes fairly quickly. Leaves nice lacing on the glass after each sip. Smells of malt, coffee, and some cinnamon. Very woodsy in both flavor and aroma. Mouthfeel is smooth and a bit biting with coffee/malt notes. Pumpkin is not very prevalent, nor are any pumpkin pie spices, although I have a cold, which may impact this review. Overall a delicious Baltic porter, although the pumpkin aspect is a bit lacking.

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Photo of Reckage
4.11/5  rDev +10.8%
look: 4.25 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

As a big fan of darker brews i have to give this one a slight edge on the He Said tripel, both are really good beers. This collaboration between 21st amendment and elysian breweries just seems natural, they should take on another project!

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Photo of Craigory
3.94/5  rDev +6.2%
look: 4 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Can, poured into a cigar city snifter.

A: Pours black with substantial, creamy, khaki head.

S: Pretty vegetal on the nose, like freshly baked pumpkin. Some nutmeg pokes through.

T: I imagine this is what a savory pumpkin pie would taste like. Squash, nutmeg, all-spice, a little breadiness, and plenty of caramel malt from the baltic porter base. There's a great porter sitting underneath this, and the more earthy take on the pumpkin is welcome.

M: Creamy, full-bodied.

O: This would be my go-to pumpkin beer, if I could get it regularly.

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Photo of Jeffreysan
4.53/5  rDev +22.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.75 | overall: 4.5

12 oz bottle, poured into a pint glass

Appearance: Pours a beautiful pitch black color with three fingers of caramel-colored head that slowly dissolved into a half of a finger of lacing that gripped the sides of the glass and completely covered the entire top of the beer.

Aroma: Lots of roasted malt and smoke. Dark bread, brown sugar, slight notes of alcohol, liquorish. Not much in the way of hops however.

Taste: Beautiful! Massive roasted malt bomb! Tons of malt and freshly baked dark bread, brown sugar, sweetness, finished by some beautifully balanced hops. Delicious!

Mouthfeel: Chewy and smoooooth! Hardly any carbonation. With an ABV of 8.2%, I’m surprised that there isn’t more of an alcohol presence on the palate. As it is, there isn’t any.

Overall: This is an excellent, excellent porter, one of the best I’ve ever had in fact. Absolutely fantastic!! If this beer is released again next year, I’m definitely getting it again!

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Photo of mitch3114
3.5/5  rDev -5.7%

Sampled on 10/4/14 at annual pumpkin tasting party, reviewed from notes:

Poured from can into tasting glass

A great Baltic Porter, but lacking on the pumpkin characteristics. The addition of pumpkin may have changed the overall taste of the beer, but not in a way that anyone can really tell that pumpkin had been introduced as one of the ingredients.

Great looking, dark, roasty, earthy, hops, etc. Bold and flavorful. Again, a great baltic porter very much to true to the style. Also, a great offering coming from two great breweries. However, a little disappointed with the lack of pumpkin (or even typical pumpkin beer flavors, i.e. spices..) especially since Elysian is so well known for consistently turning out great pumpkin beers.

Points off for the lack of pumpkin. However, if this was "HE SAID BALTIC PORTER" I think it would be closer to 4.25.

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Photo of VashonGuy
4/5  rDev +7.8%

12 ounce can from the 4 pack, into a tulip.

This is my first Baltic Porter, so I don't have others to compare it to. I'm struck by the smokiness, both in the aroma and the taste. The pumpkin? Not so much. It's there in the background, but if I didn't know this was a pumpkin ale, I might not have thought about it. There's a bit of spice, but nowhere near what you find in typical pumpkin ales.

I'd call this a dark smoky porter, with a difference, and the difference is that pumpkin/spice combo in the background. Overall, I like the combination of flavors quite a bit, and think that everything works well together. Unusual, yes, but very very good.

I first had the He Said/He Said 4 pack in 2013, and remembered that it was good. I'll be sure to pick some up every year from now on.

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Photo of ttroha
3.75/5  rDev +1.1%

Can shared with a friend. Pours dark black with tan head. Aroma of malts and spices. Taste of coffee, nutmeg, and clove. Not much of a pumpkin flavor at all. Dry finish. Very good.

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Photo of Jadjunk
3.67/5  rDev -1.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

No label information. He Said Baltic-Style Porter is brewed in the style of a Baltic Porter with pumpkin and spices added. Available in pairs of 12 oz. cans within the He Said/He Said Pumpkin variety pack. This can was first released in fall 2013 in collaboration with Elysian Brewing. I have a can from the first year for a vertical review comparison.

Poured from a 12 oz. can to a tulip glass. Served above 54 degrees Fahrenheit.

(Appearance) Pours a toasted cocoa head of a frothy foam consistency over a very dark brown, near black body. Retention is very good, lacing is light and streaked. 4

(Smell) Aromas of medium roasted malt, smoked peat, cocoa, pumpkin flesh, nutmeg, ginger, mace and licorice coalesce to form a uniquely complex aroma. Unlike its sister beer, the Baltic Porter does have a decent representation of pumpkin aromas to form a fairly balanced blend of two styles. The aromatics of licorice, syrupy molasses, peat malts and acidity place this beer in line as a Baltic Porter. The potency is medium. 3.75

(Taste) The flavor holds firm throughout the entire drink without much variation or finish. Mildly roasted barley, some tart acidity and the essence of stewed pumpkin with an ambitious dash of pie spices (Nutmeg, ginger, mace) and licorice. A cold smokiness lingers in the background. Overall it's somewhat more simple than the aroma gave off but still quite tasty and showcases pumpkin and fall spices surprisingly well. 3.5

(Mouthfeel) Slick, creamy and mildly dry. Carbonation generates a smooth, silky airiness for a soft, subtle mouthfeel. The body is shy of medium for the style, medium+ overall. Balance is slightly spiced over sweet. Alcohol presence is low and there are no off characters. 3.75

(Overall) This version of He Said is comparable to the Tripel ale in its quality and flavor profile. The pumpkin does a slightly better job at coming through in the flavor, although the spice profile still manages to lead the way. Overall it's a fairly easy-drinking Baltic Porter with a nice balance of Baltic porter character and pumpkin and spice additives. 3.75

Vertical Tasting Notes:

2013 (1 Year Aged): This vintage pours the same way that the fresh batch does, smooth and foamy with identical coloration and retention quality. The aroma is lacking much of the smokiness, acidity and a fair amount of the spices that the fresh vintage had, coming off more as a standard pumpkin porter or stout without these unique characteristics. The flavor is far removed from the fresh vintage, with chocolate malt, a touch of faded roast, soft meaty pumpkin and an entourage of pie spices, cinnamon and nutmeg the most prevalent. The flavor is still very enjoyable but the potential to maintain the style has faded. The texture and mouthfeel is as creamy and smooth as ever. Overall it's a decent experiment, but many of the characters that make this unique as a Baltic Porter are fragile enough that they have faded by this vintage, justifying enjoying this beer fresh in order to enjoy it at its peak of flavor. In its current state, it tastes too close to many pumpkin porters and stouts to be noteworthy.

Recommended vintage: Fresh

21st Amendment Brewery's
He Said Baltic-Style Porter

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Photo of logicalparadox
2.25/5  rDev -39.4%

It pours dark, almost with a hint of dread. It's got a beautiful head that, though it dissipates rather quickly, leaves behind a decent crown of lacing.

The nose is full of rich coffee and... I guess... pumpkin? I'm not quite sure what that is. Spice! Cinnamon, for sure. A melange of pumpkin pie spices, but deep and dark, rather than sweet and blooming. I almost get a bit of something woody, like saw dust or balsam on the nose. I think that's the cinnamon playing tricks on me.

The taste is roasty, deep, and vaguely bitter. Dark chocolate and coffee as one would expect, but the spices do some weird stuff... I get something reminiscent of tobacco or resinous, like... bong water. You just can't make this stuff up! Some graphite and pencil shavings, too. It's interesting, but not altogether great. I think the balance may be off here. The finish is dark chocolate, but dense brownie, but dryer than you'd think.

M: Big. Rich. Full bodied. But not as heavy as expected.

Overall... the whole is less than the sum of it's parts. The flavors are fighting here. There's no gestalt. It's lacking a unifying theme... or at least once that pulls it all together. Some interesting flavors, but not all of them are pleasant. Sorry... I've gotta drop the points down on this one.

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Photo of SitkaSteve
3.74/5  rDev +0.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

I had this in a pint glass.
The appearance was a nice looking dark brown color with a one and a half finger white foamy head that dissipated within less than a minute. There was some light lacing speckling the sides of the glass.
The smell had a decent amount of sweet chocolate, light cinnamon, little bit of vanilla and then a light pumpkin.
The taste was sweet, roasty and lightly spiced with a nice settling spicy aftertaste. There was a dry finish.
The mouthfeel was slightly harsh and spicy and sat about medium bodied. Sessionable - slightly.
Overall, I say this was a pretty good beer that I would have again.

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Photo of WVbeergeek
4/5  rDev +7.8%

Dark nearly pitch black body, nice head formation with creamy tan colored head, which leaves behind speckled lacing in even patterns. Aroma dark roasted malts, a hint of pumpkin spice, raisins/plums other ripened or dried dark fruits. The spice is very minimal with pumpkin notes in the finish upfront dark chocolate, roasted malt character with a hint of coffee and dark fruit especially raisin notes. Mouthfeel texture wise silky smooth even flowing carbonation medium to full bodied really nice light spice finish which doesn't linger, absolutely no alcohol burn at all very smooth. Overall impressed with this offering, I'm glad I picked up a can of each to try the He Said, he Said combo!

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Photo of dakotaben
3.75/5  rDev +1.1%

A Pours a dark brown close to black with a thick finger head that slowly dissipated, with the foam clinging to the edges.

S Strong aromas that can be sensed from a ways away. Earthy malt smell. Faint pumpkin smell. no hops

T - Initial tinge of pumpkin that followed up with malt, ending with the taste of alcohol. The aftertaste is a nutty brown. Low hop taste.

M - Thick - light - warming

O This is a nice thick beer and another good showing for 21st amendment. The pumpkin is light, but I prefer that. I would def. take the Tripel over this

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Photo of rangerred
3.89/5  rDev +4.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

12oz can into a goblet. I love the can design and the accompanying Trippel version of the pumpkin beer.

Pours an opaque pitch black with a decent half finger tan head. Decent head retention and lacing considering the strength.

Aroma first strikes me as musty; like going into the basement of an old house. Gradually roasted pumpkin and nutmeg appear and it all starts to gel. Makes me really excited for that first sip.

That same musty character is there but now I can really pinpoint the nutmeg and cinnamon. Roasted malt is in the background helping to prop up the beer. A bitterness is imparted throughout holding the sweetness in check but that bitterness almost becomes too much at times. I am struggling a bit to find the baltic porter here but I guess the overall clean feeling to the beer can be attributed to that.

Really this is a good beer and a unique one at that. Really great use of spices and it makes for an interesting brew.

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Photo of flagmantho
3.88/5  rDev +4.6%
look: 4.25 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4

Poured from 12oz can into my Deschutes tulip.

Appearance: extremely dark brown with virtually no light allowed through. Head pours a couple fingers of creamy dark-tan foam and slowly dissipates leaving a nice lace. A very attractive beer indeed.

Smell: cinnamon, nutmeg and a general character of pumpkin spice. Well-enough done, but very little of the base style manages to come through.

Taste: plenty of cinnamon, with other spicing kind of left behind. It's still got a nice, smooth flavor, with a bit of roastiness coming through especially at the end. A decent spiced beer.

Mouthfeel: medium body with a very well-integrated carbonation and a great creaminess. Well done!

Overall: the Baltic porter aspect of this beer struggles to shine, but like all Elysian pumpkiny beers this is pretty well done. I dig it.

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Photo of ONUMello
3.65/5  rDev -1.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

12oz candataed 7/31/14 poured into a pint glass
A: Very dark brown with a 1+ finger head
S: Sweet cherry, molasses and pie spice
T: Malty, some spice and a touch bitter
M: Medium-bodied and dry
O: No flaws but nothing particularly exciting going on

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He Said (Baltic Porter) from 21st Amendment Brewery
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