He Said (Baltic Porter) - 21st Amendment Brewery

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He Said (Baltic Porter)He Said (Baltic Porter)

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84
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441 Ratings
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Ratings: 441
Reviews: 89
rAvg: 3.73
pDev: 11.8%
Wants: 11
Gots: 47 | FT: 0
Brewed by:
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California, United States

Style | ABV
Baltic Porter |  8.20% ABV

Availability: Fall

Notes & Commercial Description:
Beer added by: Beerlover on 10-03-2013

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Ratings: 441 | Reviews: 89
Photo of Reckage
4.11/5  rDev +10.2%
look: 4.25 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

As a big fan of darker brews i have to give this one a slight edge on the He Said tripel, both are really good beers. This collaboration between 21st amendment and elysian breweries just seems natural, they should take on another project!

Photo of craftaholic
1.43/5  rDev -61.7%
look: 2.75 | smell: 1.5 | taste: 1 | feel: 2 | overall: 1.5

looked good... tasted like death

Photo of Craigory
3.94/5  rDev +5.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Can, poured into a cigar city snifter.

A: Pours black with substantial, creamy, khaki head.

S: Pretty vegetal on the nose, like freshly baked pumpkin. Some nutmeg pokes through.

T: I imagine this is what a savory pumpkin pie would taste like. Squash, nutmeg, all-spice, a little breadiness, and plenty of caramel malt from the baltic porter base. There's a great porter sitting underneath this, and the more earthy take on the pumpkin is welcome.

M: Creamy, full-bodied.

O: This would be my go-to pumpkin beer, if I could get it regularly.

Photo of Jeffreysan
4.53/5  rDev +21.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.75 | overall: 4.5

12 oz bottle, poured into a pint glass

Appearance: Pours a beautiful pitch black color with three fingers of caramel-colored head that slowly dissolved into a half of a finger of lacing that gripped the sides of the glass and completely covered the entire top of the beer.

Aroma: Lots of roasted malt and smoke. Dark bread, brown sugar, slight notes of alcohol, liquorish. Not much in the way of hops however.

Taste: Beautiful! Massive roasted malt bomb! Tons of malt and freshly baked dark bread, brown sugar, sweetness, finished by some beautifully balanced hops. Delicious!

Mouthfeel: Chewy and smoooooth! Hardly any carbonation. With an ABV of 8.2%, I’m surprised that there isn’t more of an alcohol presence on the palate. As it is, there isn’t any.

Overall: This is an excellent, excellent porter, one of the best I’ve ever had in fact. Absolutely fantastic!! If this beer is released again next year, I’m definitely getting it again!

Photo of GreenEggsHam1
3.73/5  rDev 0%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

Good porter, but I couldn't pick up much of the pumpkin & spice.

Photo of gwiedman1
2.75/5  rDev -26.3%
look: 2.75 | smell: 2.75 | taste: 2.75 | feel: 2.75 | overall: 2.75

Typical of the style. Not my thing.

Photo of mitch3114
3.5/5  rDev -6.2%

Sampled on 10/4/14 at annual pumpkin tasting party, reviewed from notes:

Poured from can into tasting glass

A great Baltic Porter, but lacking on the pumpkin characteristics. The addition of pumpkin may have changed the overall taste of the beer, but not in a way that anyone can really tell that pumpkin had been introduced as one of the ingredients.

Great looking, dark, roasty, earthy, hops, etc. Bold and flavorful. Again, a great baltic porter very much to true to the style. Also, a great offering coming from two great breweries. However, a little disappointed with the lack of pumpkin (or even typical pumpkin beer flavors, i.e. spices..) especially since Elysian is so well known for consistently turning out great pumpkin beers.

Points off for the lack of pumpkin. However, if this was "HE SAID BALTIC PORTER" I think it would be closer to 4.25.

Photo of VashonGuy
4/5  rDev +7.2%

12 ounce can from the 4 pack, into a tulip.

This is my first Baltic Porter, so I don't have others to compare it to. I'm struck by the smokiness, both in the aroma and the taste. The pumpkin? Not so much. It's there in the background, but if I didn't know this was a pumpkin ale, I might not have thought about it. There's a bit of spice, but nowhere near what you find in typical pumpkin ales.

I'd call this a dark smoky porter, with a difference, and the difference is that pumpkin/spice combo in the background. Overall, I like the combination of flavors quite a bit, and think that everything works well together. Unusual, yes, but very very good.

I first had the He Said/He Said 4 pack in 2013, and remembered that it was good. I'll be sure to pick some up every year from now on.

Photo of ttroha
3.75/5  rDev +0.5%

Can shared with a friend. Pours dark black with tan head. Aroma of malts and spices. Taste of coffee, nutmeg, and clove. Not much of a pumpkin flavor at all. Dry finish. Very good.

Photo of Jadjunk
3.67/5  rDev -1.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

No label information. He Said Baltic-Style Porter is brewed in the style of a Baltic Porter with pumpkin and spices added. Available in pairs of 12 oz. cans within the He Said/He Said Pumpkin variety pack. This can was first released in fall 2013 in collaboration with Elysian Brewing. I have a can from the first year for a vertical review comparison.

Poured from a 12 oz. can to a tulip glass. Served above 54 degrees Fahrenheit.

(Appearance) Pours a toasted cocoa head of a frothy foam consistency over a very dark brown, near black body. Retention is very good, lacing is light and streaked. 4

(Smell) Aromas of medium roasted malt, smoked peat, cocoa, pumpkin flesh, nutmeg, ginger, mace and licorice coalesce to form a uniquely complex aroma. Unlike its sister beer, the Baltic Porter does have a decent representation of pumpkin aromas to form a fairly balanced blend of two styles. The aromatics of licorice, syrupy molasses, peat malts and acidity place this beer in line as a Baltic Porter. The potency is medium. 3.75

(Taste) The flavor holds firm throughout the entire drink without much variation or finish. Mildly roasted barley, some tart acidity and the essence of stewed pumpkin with an ambitious dash of pie spices (Nutmeg, ginger, mace) and licorice. A cold smokiness lingers in the background. Overall it's somewhat more simple than the aroma gave off but still quite tasty and showcases pumpkin and fall spices surprisingly well. 3.5

(Mouthfeel) Slick, creamy and mildly dry. Carbonation generates a smooth, silky airiness for a soft, subtle mouthfeel. The body is shy of medium for the style, medium+ overall. Balance is slightly spiced over sweet. Alcohol presence is low and there are no off characters. 3.75

(Overall) This version of He Said is comparable to the Tripel ale in its quality and flavor profile. The pumpkin does a slightly better job at coming through in the flavor, although the spice profile still manages to lead the way. Overall it's a fairly easy-drinking Baltic Porter with a nice balance of Baltic porter character and pumpkin and spice additives. 3.75

Vertical Tasting Notes:

2013 (1 Year Aged): This vintage pours the same way that the fresh batch does, smooth and foamy with identical coloration and retention quality. The aroma is lacking much of the smokiness, acidity and a fair amount of the spices that the fresh vintage had, coming off more as a standard pumpkin porter or stout without these unique characteristics. The flavor is far removed from the fresh vintage, with chocolate malt, a touch of faded roast, soft meaty pumpkin and an entourage of pie spices, cinnamon and nutmeg the most prevalent. The flavor is still very enjoyable but the potential to maintain the style has faded. The texture and mouthfeel is as creamy and smooth as ever. Overall it's a decent experiment, but many of the characters that make this unique as a Baltic Porter are fragile enough that they have faded by this vintage, justifying enjoying this beer fresh in order to enjoy it at its peak of flavor. In its current state, it tastes too close to many pumpkin porters and stouts to be noteworthy.

Recommended vintage: Fresh

21st Amendment Brewery's
He Said Baltic-Style Porter
3.65/5.00

Photo of logicalparadox
2.25/5  rDev -39.7%

It pours dark, almost with a hint of dread. It's got a beautiful head that, though it dissipates rather quickly, leaves behind a decent crown of lacing.

The nose is full of rich coffee and... I guess... pumpkin? I'm not quite sure what that is. Spice! Cinnamon, for sure. A melange of pumpkin pie spices, but deep and dark, rather than sweet and blooming. I almost get a bit of something woody, like saw dust or balsam on the nose. I think that's the cinnamon playing tricks on me.

The taste is roasty, deep, and vaguely bitter. Dark chocolate and coffee as one would expect, but the spices do some weird stuff... I get something reminiscent of tobacco or resinous, like... bong water. You just can't make this stuff up! Some graphite and pencil shavings, too. It's interesting, but not altogether great. I think the balance may be off here. The finish is dark chocolate, but dense brownie, but dryer than you'd think.

M: Big. Rich. Full bodied. But not as heavy as expected.

Overall... the whole is less than the sum of it's parts. The flavors are fighting here. There's no gestalt. It's lacking a unifying theme... or at least once that pulls it all together. Some interesting flavors, but not all of them are pleasant. Sorry... I've gotta drop the points down on this one.

Photo of SitkaSteve
3.74/5  rDev +0.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

I had this in a pint glass.
The appearance was a nice looking dark brown color with a one and a half finger white foamy head that dissipated within less than a minute. There was some light lacing speckling the sides of the glass.
The smell had a decent amount of sweet chocolate, light cinnamon, little bit of vanilla and then a light pumpkin.
The taste was sweet, roasty and lightly spiced with a nice settling spicy aftertaste. There was a dry finish.
The mouthfeel was slightly harsh and spicy and sat about medium bodied. Sessionable - slightly.
Overall, I say this was a pretty good beer that I would have again.

Photo of WVbeergeek
4/5  rDev +7.2%

Dark nearly pitch black body, nice head formation with creamy tan colored head, which leaves behind speckled lacing in even patterns. Aroma dark roasted malts, a hint of pumpkin spice, raisins/plums other ripened or dried dark fruits. The spice is very minimal with pumpkin notes in the finish upfront dark chocolate, roasted malt character with a hint of coffee and dark fruit especially raisin notes. Mouthfeel texture wise silky smooth even flowing carbonation medium to full bodied really nice light spice finish which doesn't linger, absolutely no alcohol burn at all very smooth. Overall impressed with this offering, I'm glad I picked up a can of each to try the He Said, he Said combo!

Photo of dakotaben
3.75/5  rDev +0.5%

A Pours a dark brown close to black with a thick finger head that slowly dissipated, with the foam clinging to the edges.

S Strong aromas that can be sensed from a ways away. Earthy malt smell. Faint pumpkin smell. no hops

T - Initial tinge of pumpkin that followed up with malt, ending with the taste of alcohol. The aftertaste is a nutty brown. Low hop taste.

M - Thick - light - warming

O This is a nice thick beer and another good showing for 21st amendment. The pumpkin is light, but I prefer that. I would def. take the Tripel over this

Photo of rangerred
3.89/5  rDev +4.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

12oz can into a goblet. I love the can design and the accompanying Trippel version of the pumpkin beer.

Pours an opaque pitch black with a decent half finger tan head. Decent head retention and lacing considering the strength.

Aroma first strikes me as musty; like going into the basement of an old house. Gradually roasted pumpkin and nutmeg appear and it all starts to gel. Makes me really excited for that first sip.

That same musty character is there but now I can really pinpoint the nutmeg and cinnamon. Roasted malt is in the background helping to prop up the beer. A bitterness is imparted throughout holding the sweetness in check but that bitterness almost becomes too much at times. I am struggling a bit to find the baltic porter here but I guess the overall clean feeling to the beer can be attributed to that.

Really this is a good beer and a unique one at that. Really great use of spices and it makes for an interesting brew.

Photo of flagmantho
3.88/5  rDev +4%
look: 4.25 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4

Poured from 12oz can into my Deschutes tulip.

Appearance: extremely dark brown with virtually no light allowed through. Head pours a couple fingers of creamy dark-tan foam and slowly dissipates leaving a nice lace. A very attractive beer indeed.

Smell: cinnamon, nutmeg and a general character of pumpkin spice. Well-enough done, but very little of the base style manages to come through.

Taste: plenty of cinnamon, with other spicing kind of left behind. It's still got a nice, smooth flavor, with a bit of roastiness coming through especially at the end. A decent spiced beer.

Mouthfeel: medium body with a very well-integrated carbonation and a great creaminess. Well done!

Overall: the Baltic porter aspect of this beer struggles to shine, but like all Elysian pumpkiny beers this is pretty well done. I dig it.

Photo of ONUMello
3.65/5  rDev -2.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

12oz candataed 7/31/14 poured into a pint glass
A: Very dark brown with a 1+ finger head
S: Sweet cherry, molasses and pie spice
T: Malty, some spice and a touch bitter
M: Medium-bodied and dry
O: No flaws but nothing particularly exciting going on

Photo of mactrail
2.72/5  rDev -27.1%
look: 3.25 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2.75 | feel: 2.75 | overall: 2.75

This is just too strange. The odor is just simply a light saurkraut with the Old Oaken Bucket. Mossy and weedy and vegetable broth.rubber. Clean new tennis shoes. Not much carbonation. Color is an orangey brown.

Taste is old tomatoes and stewed barley with an intriguing woody note. A touch of burnt sugar and rubber. The pumpkin flavor actually comes through all that, and it's the best feature of this absurdity. I blame Elysian. From the 12 oz can purchased at Haggen's Market in Burlington, Wash.

Another can from a four-pack purchased at Pioneer Market in La Conner had more foam but the strange odor and plasticky note.

Photo of schoolboy
4.29/5  rDev +15%

Awesome. I thought the Belgian half of the four pack of these was great, and this is even better.

It looks like a great example of the style, coming out of a can unadulterated by light, etc. The aroma is slightly spicey/pumpkin but otherwise nice, perhaps mild and well behaved Baltic porter.

The taste is such a great mix of smokey, malty, pumpkin that I want to run to the store and hoard a few four packs. This is great. The aftertaste is pretty sweet, but in general it seems a little lighter that many of the style (never mind the pumpkin, which makes it a new style).

My compliments to 21st Amendment.

If I were judging this as just a Baltic Porter, it might not fare as well as it does as a PUMPKIN Baltic Porter. That deserves BONUS points!!

Photo of pants678
3.89/5  rDev +4.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.75

Black body with a puffy light beige head that holds... for a few minutes.

Pumpkin and spice smell right out of the can. Makes sense.

Good, full roasted malt flavor with a deep, sweet pumpkin and spice that cuts just enough. An exemplar of the style.

Creamy, frothy--distinctly a porter rather than a stout.

Photo of HardTarget
3.56/5  rDev -4.6%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 2.25 | overall: 3.75

Appearance: Black glass holds a thin tan head that leaves loops of lace. No light comes through, even at the edges.

Smell: Spice note is up front, pumpkin pie, pear skin, slightly vegatal but not to a flaw. No raosted barley, or any real malt or beer smell comes through save maybe a slight yeasty note.

Taste: Deep, under the pumpkin pie spice (clove? nutmeg? cinnamon?), under the cola sweet base malt, there is a slight ribbon of something dark and malty. But it is deep under the mountain.

Mouthfeel: Odd creamy texture that evaporates too quickly into a very light bodied beer. Very high carbonation has it go frothy in the mouth more than fizzy, the body isn't heavy enough to support it so it ends up being dried out and empty.

Overall: Over spiced, not heavy enough to cellar to let it settle down, a bit of a train wreck, but a good evening sipper, a pumpkin, or pumpkin pie spice beer that's better than most.

Thanks to Illudium for the sample!

Photo of voxhumana
4.51/5  rDev +20.9%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.75

This beer is awesome!

It has a medium/light body with a non-overbearing pumpkin taste, preferable to some of the more mainstream beers with strong, syrupy pumpkin flavors. Followed up by a subtle but crisp spice after taste.

picked this up at a liquor store in the boonies while traveling cross-country, and I'm sad to say I cant find it anywhere else now. Great stuff.

Photo of JayQue
3.75/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

I liked it. As much a pumpkin ale as it is a porter, but it works. Poured from a 12 oz cn into a pint glass. Dense brown color, just a little light coming through at the bottom of the glass. Big light tan head with good retention and lacing.

Smell is roasted malt, pumpkin and pumpkin spices. Pleasant aroma.

Taste is more of the same. A malty beer with strong pumpkin and pumpkin spices overtones.

Mouthfeel is rich and creamy. No hint of alcohol.

A tasaty and imaginative brew.

Photo of vkv822
3.56/5  rDev -4.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

12oz : tulip

Pours black with a foamy light brown head and spotty lacing.

The caraway and cinnamon come through initially, as more of a general allspice character, with hints of the pumpkin and a pleasant dark, roasty, faintly cocoa backbone. The spices certainly lend a distinct Pumpkin Ale character.

Medium body, finishes a bit thin for my liking, but I've found that to be typical with the lager yeast used for Baltic Porters so I can't really knock it. Foamy carbonation.

A well done take on a Baltic Porter, though it is certainly just as equally a Pumpkin Ale in taste in my opinion. Happy to have another can to enjoy.

Photo of asaharyev
3.56/5  rDev -4.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 3.75

Pour: Black with some dark brown edging, and a great fluffy head.

Aroma: Cinnamon and pumpkin with sweet chocolate malts and a bit of saltiness. A strange aroma, with the pumpkin and spice taking over.

Taste: Again, the pumpkin and cinnamon are right up front, but now more of the chocolate comes through, with a touch of coffee. There is a certain bitterness to the flavor, which comes in at the end nicely. Still, the pumpkin is the focus, as it should be.

Overall: A decent porter, though I’m not entirely sure the pumpkin works as well as I might like. I wouldn’t mind trying the porter behind this beer with no pumpkin added.

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He Said (Baltic Porter) from 21st Amendment Brewery
84 out of 100 based on 441 ratings.