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He Said (Baltic Porter) - 21st Amendment Brewery

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He Said (Baltic Porter)He Said (Baltic Porter)

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84
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441 Ratings
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Ratings: 441
Reviews: 89
rAvg: 3.73
pDev: 11.8%
Wants: 11
Gots: 47 | FT: 0
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California, United States

Style | ABV
Baltic Porter |  8.20% ABV

Availability: Fall

Notes & Commercial Description:
Beer added by: Beerlover on 10-03-2013

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Ratings: 441 | Reviews: 89
Reviews by ChainGangGuy:
Photo of ChainGangGuy
3.78/5  rDev +1.3%
look: 3 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

12 ounce can - $2.99 at Total Wine & More in Kennesaw, Georgia.

Canned on: 09/09/13.

Appearance: Pours a very dark brown body. The sandy beige head, after an initial flush of suds, settles to just under a half inch, and, a few minutes later, is non-existent.

Smell: An aromatic buffet of scents: roasted malts, caraway seed, black licorice, pumpkin, moistened prunes, and a hint of chocolate.

Taste: Roasty, dark maltiness laced with prune-like dark fruitiness as well as the tangy pumpkin. A little chocolate and gooey molasses, a sprinkling of ground spice and shaved licorice. The caraway, dark fruit, roast, and a drizzle of liquor ride off into the aftertaste post the soft, smooth finish.

Mouthfeel: Medium-plus body. Medium carbonation. Fairly smooth on the tongue.

Overall: I'm totally okay with this beer, really.

More User Reviews:
Photo of oberon
3.73/5  rDev 0%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.75

Poured into a standard pint glass a deep dark chocolate brown with a thinner but pretty well susteined tannish colored head atop.Spiced aromas like nutmeg,mace, and cinnamon,with some roast and a tinge of iron.A little fizzy to me in the mouth and some what light as well.Flavors of pumpkin and spice with nutmeg and cinnamon standing out mainly,a little chocolate roast round out the palate.I like the concept of this beer but it's lacking a little.

Photo of Jason
3.51/5  rDev -5.9%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.25 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

12oz can with a freshness date on the bottom.

More of a Porter than a pumpkin ale, that is the tone here. Spiced out like a fall/winter brew with some vagueness to where this is all going. Thankfully the Porter side of it all helps keep things together even if this beer is just pretty good.

LOOK: Chunky head, good trail of lacing, black in color

SMELL: Burnt wood, charred grain twang, vague spice, alcohol, chicory

TASTE: Roasted grain, very warming alcohol, perfume flair, cedar, caraway seed, mild cinnamon, burnt currants, pumpkin?, long roasty finish, semi-dry, lingering roastiness and spice

Photo of Billolick
3.96/5  rDev +6.2%
look: 4.25 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

12 ounce can, canned on 09/09/13, according to the info on the bottom ...

Pours darn near black, with a medium mocha and long lasting head, that slowly goes to fine and coating low sheeting and fine fields of scattered lacing. Nice looking beer.

Dark malts and lite chocolate on the nose.

Smooth and tasty on the tongue, I get more lite chocolate, dark malts and just a hit of the advertised "pumpkin and spices". Much better then the He Said Tripel, this one is a nicely crafted porter with subtle spicing and smooth malty/chocolate notes.

Worth a try. Quality beer in a can = good stuff

Photo of tigg924
4/5  rDev +7.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Appearance: 1 inch head, clear, dark brown in color, high carbonation

Smell: roasted malt, cream, clove, and pumpkin seed

Taste: dark and sweet chocolate, cream, cinammon, clove, and pumpkin pulp that is present towards the end.

Mouthfeel: sweet and roasty, medium bodied with moderate-high carbonation

Overall: I was thinking I was going to like the tripel better, but I actually found this to be the better of the two beers. This is not as pumpkin forward as some other pumpkin beers I have had, but the base Baltic porter is really tasty. I would get this again.

Photo of WVbeergeek
4/5  rDev +7.2%

Dark nearly pitch black body, nice head formation with creamy tan colored head, which leaves behind speckled lacing in even patterns. Aroma dark roasted malts, a hint of pumpkin spice, raisins/plums other ripened or dried dark fruits. The spice is very minimal with pumpkin notes in the finish upfront dark chocolate, roasted malt character with a hint of coffee and dark fruit especially raisin notes. Mouthfeel texture wise silky smooth even flowing carbonation medium to full bodied really nice light spice finish which doesn't linger, absolutely no alcohol burn at all very smooth. Overall impressed with this offering, I'm glad I picked up a can of each to try the He Said, he Said combo!

Photo of Brenden
4.14/5  rDev +11%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4

This beer is a very dark brown color, fairly thick, and exactly what I expect from a Baltic Porter. The head is a faintly yellow-tinted tan and rests at almost precisely one finger's height. Retention is good, and a mixture of patching and spotting is in plenty.
There's a baking chocolate undertone in the malts, with plenty of roast and a little bit of sweetness. Otherwise, pumpkin spices are nicely strong but held in check. There's definitely distinguishable pumpkin flesh in here, too. It's a good balance of very lightly sweet against boldly roasty and lightly bitter. Somewhat leafy/floral hops notes are light, as is a sort of earthier bitterness, working nicely to add depth and complexity to an otherwise stragithforward version of a pumpkin-based porter, though not traditional as far as Baltic Porters go.
The feel is even and smooth in a medium body but a little leaner on the tongue than I had expected. It has a light crispness to it as well.

Photo of Jeffreysan
4.53/5  rDev +21.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.75 | overall: 4.5

12 oz bottle, poured into a pint glass

Appearance: Pours a beautiful pitch black color with three fingers of caramel-colored head that slowly dissolved into a half of a finger of lacing that gripped the sides of the glass and completely covered the entire top of the beer.

Aroma: Lots of roasted malt and smoke. Dark bread, brown sugar, slight notes of alcohol, liquorish. Not much in the way of hops however.

Taste: Beautiful! Massive roasted malt bomb! Tons of malt and freshly baked dark bread, brown sugar, sweetness, finished by some beautifully balanced hops. Delicious!

Mouthfeel: Chewy and smoooooth! Hardly any carbonation. With an ABV of 8.2%, I’m surprised that there isn’t more of an alcohol presence on the palate. As it is, there isn’t any.

Overall: This is an excellent, excellent porter, one of the best I’ve ever had in fact. Absolutely fantastic!! If this beer is released again next year, I’m definitely getting it again!

Photo of morimech
3.5/5  rDev -6.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Appears black in the glass with two fingers of head that slowly settles to a thick cap. Moderate amount of spotty lacing is left down the glass.

Aroma is a mixture of Baltic Porter and pumpkin pie spice. Nice dark malt aroma with compliments of nutmeg and cinnamon.

Flavor is a bit overpowered by the spice. The spice even feels a little hot. Not much for pumpkin but I am not disappointed in that. I think there is some nice malt flavor underneath the spice but cannot say for sure.

Has a Baltic Porter body and not a pumpkin beer body which scores points with me. Nicely carbonated.

If I read the label better and saw the word pumpkin, I never would of bought the He Said four pack. Turns out to be a better than average beer that is just too heavy handed with the spice.

Photo of Reckage
4.11/5  rDev +10.2%
look: 4.25 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

As a big fan of darker brews i have to give this one a slight edge on the He Said tripel, both are really good beers. This collaboration between 21st amendment and elysian breweries just seems natural, they should take on another project!

Photo of Treyliff
3.99/5  rDev +7%
look: 4 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

A- pours thick and pitch black with a two-finger sudsy light-tan head that has good retention, eventually leaving a small layer floating on top

S- charred wood with some smoky malt aromas, charcoal, earthy and herbal, carrot cake, sweet molasses and carob

T- roasty and smoky malt coming from the base porter with hints of carob and raisin, lots of cinnamon coming through from the spice bouquet which works nicely with the porter. Not specifically picking up any pumpkin but I can pick out the typical pumpkin spice flavors, dry finish with more cinnamon and roasted malt on the linger

M- thick and chewy body with low carbonation and a foamy and creamy mouthfeel, leading to a silky finish, just a touch of alcohol warmth at the end

O- I enjoyed this one, I think the cinnamon having more of a presence that the other spices worked nicely with the baltic porter. Very drinkable, given the ABV. I'm usually let down by all things 21st, but this one was good

Photo of tone77
4.08/5  rDev +9.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4

Poured from a 12 oz. can. Has a black color with a 1/2 inch head. Smell is of strong coffee, lots of roasted malts. Taste is unique and good. Roasted malts, some coffee, spices, a touch of sweetness, mild hints of pumpkin, very easy drinking for the abv. Feels medium bodied in the mouth and overall is a fine beer.

Photo of bluejacket74
3.74/5  rDev +0.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.75

12 ounce can, canned on 09/09/13. Served in a nonic pint glass, the beer pours dark brown/black with a couple inch tan head. Head retention and lacing are both good. The brew smells like chocolate, cinnamon, pumpkin spices, dark bread and caraway. It tastes like cinnamon, caraway, chocolate, pumpkin, nutmeg, roasted malt and a bit of licorice. Mouthfeel/body is medium, it's coating with a moderate amount of carbonation. I liked this brew, definitely worth a try. $8.99 a 4-pack (2 cans of the He Said Baltic Porter, 2 cans of the He Said Tripel).

Photo of philbe311
3.75/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

A - Two fingers worth or audibly fizzy medium brown colored head with a slightly rocky top comprised of medium-to-large sized bubbles... Decent retention yields a full crisp lacing with a moderately thick collar... The color is a not quite opaque black that allows a bit of light to leak in around the edge of the glass... Still with no discernible carbonation...

S - Big roasted malt presence can be detected without even bringing one's nose around the glass... Bitter dark chocolate... A mild coffee component... Lingering way beneath the surface is a very mild spice component... There's some cinnamon and nutmeg... Other than the subdued seasonal spices, I'm not detecting anything gourd like in the aroma at all...

T - Roasted malt... Coffee... Dark chocolate... The bite of the cinnamon and nutmeg quickly follow... Buried beneath the surface is some sweet pumpkin puree and brown sugar... The roasted malt presence lingers for a while on the finish...

M - Medium to full bodied... Lush and smooth... Mild carbonation... Starts slightly creamy before quickly turning dry and slightly bitter...

D - This one is certainly more Baltic Porter than Pumpkin Ale... Similar to it's Tripel counterpart the pumpkin plays a subdued second back seat... This is still a respectable, but unremarkable offering... There's nothing wrong with it by any means, but it certainly isn't an autumnal seasonal that I need to seek out each year...

Photo of TruePerception
3.46/5  rDev -7.2%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.25 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

He Said Dark, Baltic-style Porter brewed with pumpkin and spice. 8.2% ABV.

Appearance: Okay! Almost spilled over. About 2 fingers of slightly brown head. The beer is black, with hue of brownish-red when held up to the light just so.

Smell: Nice roasted malt on the nose. A slight pumpkin spice, and even less actual pumpkin.

Taste/Mouthfeel: It has a very smooth texture on the palate. A good amount of roasted malt, bordering on coffee. A very subtle hint of pumpkin.

Overall: While fairly good on it's own, I don't think it stands up so well as a pumpkin ale (er, lager). Oh well...

12 oz. can, poured into a pint glass.

Photo of smakawhat
3.36/5  rDev -9.9%
look: 4.25 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

Poured from the can into a nonic pint glass.

Deep dark walnut black, with some sliver of red, but pretty much uniform dark body caps with a large three to four finger soapy thick light tan head. Faint light cocoa color a bit also and shampoo like clumping.

Pumpkin beer like spice senses of clove and nutmeg, a little bit of chocolate senses but not much roasty character. A bit dry and almost nutty tannic, and some almost sensing pounded and fresh dried clove, quite hot.

Palate comes with a sense of good silky milk quality at first. Then there is that dry alcohol sense nearly fussel mixing in with pumpkin like spices. Charring roast adds on the aftertaste and really exacerbates the bitterness. The flavors are not gelling well, and the bitterness is not a pleasant one.

Overall it's got the spiced pumpkin profile similar to it's tripel, but it's bitterness is really not in control here and doesn't make for a very enjoyable beer experience. It's ok.

Photo of JohnGalt1
3.5/5  rDev -6.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

rb

For me this is MUCH more approachable than the Triple.. decent 1" head drops back leaving good lacing... the brew is standard black.

Bigger spices than I appreciate, but they are reigned in by the darker malt presence.. Asian cinnamon... and something else I cannot put my palate on.. I dig this one, it isn't over done at all. Good roastiness and trailing off to a sorta sweet cinnamon essence.

Med/Light bodied with a lighter carbonation helps make this feel more full and lend toward a slow-down as I enjoy it.

3.5 across the board.

Photo of logicalparadox
2.25/5  rDev -39.7%

It pours dark, almost with a hint of dread. It's got a beautiful head that, though it dissipates rather quickly, leaves behind a decent crown of lacing.

The nose is full of rich coffee and... I guess... pumpkin? I'm not quite sure what that is. Spice! Cinnamon, for sure. A melange of pumpkin pie spices, but deep and dark, rather than sweet and blooming. I almost get a bit of something woody, like saw dust or balsam on the nose. I think that's the cinnamon playing tricks on me.

The taste is roasty, deep, and vaguely bitter. Dark chocolate and coffee as one would expect, but the spices do some weird stuff... I get something reminiscent of tobacco or resinous, like... bong water. You just can't make this stuff up! Some graphite and pencil shavings, too. It's interesting, but not altogether great. I think the balance may be off here. The finish is dark chocolate, but dense brownie, but dryer than you'd think.

M: Big. Rich. Full bodied. But not as heavy as expected.

Overall... the whole is less than the sum of it's parts. The flavors are fighting here. There's no gestalt. It's lacking a unifying theme... or at least once that pulls it all together. Some interesting flavors, but not all of them are pleasant. Sorry... I've gotta drop the points down on this one.

Photo of LiquidAmber
4.03/5  rDev +8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4

Poured into an Elysian snifter. Pours a very dark brown with mahogany highlights at the edges. A fine two finger very light tan head that dissipates to a persistant thick film with lots of lacing. Aroma of distinct cinnamon, roasted malt, clove and pumpkin, appealing. Flavor is mellow, sweet toasted malt, pumpkin and well handled light pumpkin pie spicing. Medium bodied with pleasant creaminess. A very nicely balanced pumpkin porter. I'm not detecting the Baltic portion of the porter because of the other flavors, but that is hardly a detraction because everything is very nicely balanced and tasty. Very nicely done. Both of these He Said ales were excellent. I hope these are an annual event.

Photo of cindyjeffsmith
3.79/5  rDev +1.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

appearance: Fairly dark, nearly opaque with ruby highlights. Nice mocha swath of head and lacing.
smell: Lots happening here. Aromatic spices (e.g. cinnamon), and licorice.
taste: Start is much like the nose. Finish has more Baltic Porter. Very interesting.
overall: Nice brew. Interesting mix of pumpkin and aromatic spice with the malty smokiness of a Baltic.

Photo of Immortale25
3.81/5  rDev +2.1%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

Poured into a Funky Buddha Brewery snifter. Bottom of can says Canned On: 09/09/13

A- Pours a fully opaque black color with a 1/2 inch tan head that retains decently before becoming a thick ring around the edge of the glass and some bubbly splotches of surface foam. Semi-resilient lacing leaves a jagged ring behind.

S- The usual aroma of allspice, cinnamon and nutmeg for a pumpkin beer plus a bit of booze.

T- The spices come through full force in the flavor and there's a very apparent alcohol aftertaste. Still, pretty drinkable although uninspired. The dark roast tries to make itself known but is bogged down the the spice and booze.

M- Semi-thick with medium carbonation and a full body.

O- I hope the Tripel in the other half of this 4-pack is better than this. This one's just too hot.

Photo of angrybabboon
3.49/5  rDev -6.4%
look: 4 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Cheers to Goblinmunkey7 for giving me a can of this

Consumed 11/28/13

Appearance: Surprisingly, remarkably dark, borderline jet black - pours with a creamy, fluffy, light tan head - impressive, solid head retention and leaves some lovely blobs of lacing

Smell: Chocolate, cocoa, and some pumpkin spices - nice range of chocolate, including burnt chocolate malts, baker's chocolate, semisweet chocolate, and cocoa - some pumpkin spices, like cinnamon, nutmeg, and ginger, but they are somewhat overpowered by the burnt/roasty aromas - some burnt squash, pumpkin - some earthy aromas

Taste: It's like someone attempted to make a chocolate pumpkin loaf, burnt it, and then threw it into a pile of dirt - earthy, dirty, burnt chocolate - more chocolate malts than anticipated from the aroma, and a little less cocoa - decidedly burnt, and very earthy - some pumpkin, as well as some cooked squash - some malty sweetness and caramel - straight-up sugary sweetness - pumpkin pie spices are definitely here as well, with some cinnamon, nutmeg, allspice, and clove

Mouthfeel: Medium-ish body, nicely carbonated, smooth, kind of oily and sticky in the finish while simultaneously being dry

Overall: Baltic Porter + pumpkin + great brewery + great brewery = slightly better than meh?

Well, this is definitely better than the other He Said (Tripel). But I do have some issues. It's overly earthy and borderline dirty. And there is an odd amount of sweetness. Overall, after having reviewed the He Said Tripel a few hours ago, I am reaching the conclusion that while 21st Amendment and Elysian are great breweries on an individual level, they do not produce magic when collaborating. Sorry.

Photo of VashonGuy
4/5  rDev +7.2%

12 ounce can from the 4 pack, into a tulip.

This is my first Baltic Porter, so I don't have others to compare it to. I'm struck by the smokiness, both in the aroma and the taste. The pumpkin? Not so much. It's there in the background, but if I didn't know this was a pumpkin ale, I might not have thought about it. There's a bit of spice, but nowhere near what you find in typical pumpkin ales.

I'd call this a dark smoky porter, with a difference, and the difference is that pumpkin/spice combo in the background. Overall, I like the combination of flavors quite a bit, and think that everything works well together. Unusual, yes, but very very good.

I first had the He Said/He Said 4 pack in 2013, and remembered that it was good. I'll be sure to pick some up every year from now on.

Photo of metter98
3.77/5  rDev +1.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

A: The beer is jet black in color. It poured with a finger high tan colored head that gradually died down, leaving a thin head covering the surface and some lacing down the sides of the glass.
S: Moderate aromas of pumpkins and pumpkin spices are present in the nose.
T: The taste is dominated by flavors of pumpkin spices—nutmeg seems to stand out in particular along with hints of allspice and cinnamon.
M: It feels medium-bodied and a little dry on the palate and has a moderate amount of carbonation.
O: This beer tastes a lot more like a Pumpkin Ale compared to a Baltic Porter, but when compared to pumpkin beers the taste is nearly completely dominated by spices. Provided you can handle the spices, it is easy to drink for the style.

Photo of ThickNStout
2.8/5  rDev -24.9%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.75 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 2.75

12oz can from Total Wine (Kennesaw, GA). 9.99/ 4 pack. Canned 9/9/13. Served in a Pumpking goblet.

Pours deep dark brown with chestnut highlights and about a finger and a half manilla head. Leaves a thin layer on top and a touch of lace.

Aromas of pumpkin pie and cocoa. A sweet, interesting blend of pie spice and roast malts.

Tastes bitter, pumpkin, spice, roast, metallic, some sort of bitter strangeness and a little booze. Interesting but lacking balance and smoothness.

Semi creamy, medium thin body with fairly lively carbonation. Spiced pumpkin, roasty chocolate malt and bitter finish.

I appreciate the effort to make something differen in a pumpkin beer with this one just doesn't work for me.

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He Said (Baltic Porter) from 21st Amendment Brewery
84 out of 100 based on 441 ratings.