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He Said (Baltic Porter) - 21st Amendment Brewery

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very good

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Reviews: 86
Hads: 446
rAvg: 3.75
pDev: 11.73%
Wants: 11
Gots: 50 | FT: 1
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California, United States

Style | ABV
Baltic Porter |  8.20% ABV

Availability: Fall

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Beer added by: Beerlover on 10-03-2013

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Photo of mpedara429
1.74/5  rDev -53.6%
look: 3 | smell: 1.5 | taste: 1 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 2.25

A: Poured out a cola color with one finger of tan colored head.

S: A lot of pumpkin and spice. Can’t make out all the spices but definitely smelling ginger.

T: The spice and pumpkin are overkill. There is a tannic bitterness that had me repeatedly sticking out my tongue. On the backside, I’m finally getting some of the roasted malt I was expecting.

M: Medium body that is a bit oily. Medium carbonation.

O: The tannic bitterness was truly unbearable and making me gag. Way over spiced to enjoy any of the good qualities that are in the background. (558 characters)

Photo of logicalparadox
2.25/5  rDev -40%

It pours dark, almost with a hint of dread. It's got a beautiful head that, though it dissipates rather quickly, leaves behind a decent crown of lacing.

The nose is full of rich coffee and... I guess... pumpkin? I'm not quite sure what that is. Spice! Cinnamon, for sure. A melange of pumpkin pie spices, but deep and dark, rather than sweet and blooming. I almost get a bit of something woody, like saw dust or balsam on the nose. I think that's the cinnamon playing tricks on me.

The taste is roasty, deep, and vaguely bitter. Dark chocolate and coffee as one would expect, but the spices do some weird stuff... I get something reminiscent of tobacco or resinous, like... bong water. You just can't make this stuff up! Some graphite and pencil shavings, too. It's interesting, but not altogether great. I think the balance may be off here. The finish is dark chocolate, but dense brownie, but dryer than you'd think.

M: Big. Rich. Full bodied. But not as heavy as expected.

Overall... the whole is less than the sum of it's parts. The flavors are fighting here. There's no gestalt. It's lacking a unifying theme... or at least once that pulls it all together. Some interesting flavors, but not all of them are pleasant. Sorry... I've gotta drop the points down on this one. (1,283 characters)

Photo of mactrail
2.72/5  rDev -27.5%
look: 3.25 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2.75 | feel: 2.75 | overall: 2.75

This is just too strange. The odor is just simply a light saurkraut with the Old Oaken Bucket. Mossy and weedy and vegetable broth.rubber. Clean new tennis shoes. Not much carbonation. Color is an orangey brown.

Taste is old tomatoes and stewed barley with an intriguing woody note. A touch of burnt sugar and rubber. The pumpkin flavor actually comes through all that, and it's the best feature of this absurdity. I blame Elysian. From the 12 oz can purchased at Haggen's Market in Burlington, Wash.

Another can from a four-pack purchased at Pioneer Market in La Conner had more foam but the strange odor and plasticky note. (628 characters)

Photo of ThickNStout
2.8/5  rDev -25.3%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.75 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 2.75

12oz can from Total Wine (Kennesaw, GA). 9.99/ 4 pack. Canned 9/9/13. Served in a Pumpking goblet.

Pours deep dark brown with chestnut highlights and about a finger and a half manilla head. Leaves a thin layer on top and a touch of lace.

Aromas of pumpkin pie and cocoa. A sweet, interesting blend of pie spice and roast malts.

Tastes bitter, pumpkin, spice, roast, metallic, some sort of bitter strangeness and a little booze. Interesting but lacking balance and smoothness.

Semi creamy, medium thin body with fairly lively carbonation. Spiced pumpkin, roasty chocolate malt and bitter finish.

I appreciate the effort to make something differen in a pumpkin beer with this one just doesn't work for me. (713 characters)

Photo of Goblinmunkey7
3.06/5  rDev -18.4%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2.75 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 2.75

Appearance: Nearly straight black with a creamy dark khaki head. Super creamy with a moderate retention. Pretty standard affair for the style.

Smell: Roasted malt with some old coffee. Spice component runs heavy on cinnamon and nutmeg with some backing clove and allspice. A touch of pumpkin flesh buried in there. Some sweeter canned pumpkin with a hint of shortbread and pie crust. Buttery with so men Cocos thrown in the mix. Dark chocolate pumpkin bread without the sweetness.

Taste: Roasted pumpkin seeds. A touch of bitter citrus rind. Some serious pumpkin spice with a ton of clove and cinnamon. Nutmeg and allspice make an appearance. Roasted malts help balance some of the more assertive spice notes. Cocoa dusted pumpkin flesh. A bit vegetal in the back. Bitter, almost charred on the back. Some.caramelized sweetness. Burnt chocolate pumpkin bread.

Mouthfeel: Slightly creamy medium body with a moderate carbonation. A bit bubbly with a relatively clean finish.

Overall: He said with melancholy.

It's a bit rough around the edges. Spice runs a bit too high and the malts help when cold, but warming makes it a bit more jarring. (1,148 characters)

Photo of Jackofallbrews
3.19/5  rDev -14.9%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 2.75 | overall: 3.25

The first I'll review is the Baltic Porter, brewed with pumpkin, Vietnamese cinnamon, and caraway seed.

Aroma: Strong anise aroma, followed by some sweet cinnamon. I get a woodsy or herbal note as it warms. A bit of roastiness and some malty sweetness as well.

Appearance: Deep brown in color with ruby highlights--not totally opaque. Fine tannish head, that fades fairly quickly.

Flavor: Very strong spicing up front--gingery, liquorice or anise (probably the caraway, but I didn't know that was an ingredient at the time...) Some earthy, almost vegetal or peaty flavors. Ends somewhat roasty and dry, almost burnt coffee--more like a dry stout. Not much body in here for such a big beer. I get a bit more sweetness as it warms up.

Overall: A bit thin and dry for a Baltic porter. The combination of roast and spice with thin body lead to an astringent finish that I don't love. Spices are very strong in this one. I wanted so much more from these guys! (959 characters)

Photo of Keepmywitbieraboutme
3.33/5  rDev -11.2%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

This was gifted me and a gift I'd always appreciated.

A- almost a shark eye black with pinky of tan head. Dull, not shiny, but still pleased.

S- I get the spice and roast of a normal Baltic, but I get a faint smoldered wood that I like.

T- fair roast leaving toward burnt. Cooking chocolate and biscuit. Not hating it.

M- slight thinness with which I disagree. However I could get passed it.

O- well worth the try. A nice notch on the belt if you will since I have never seen this until presented to me. (508 characters)

Photo of GuinnessAtRogerWilco
3.34/5  rDev -10.9%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.25

12oz can poured into a Chimay goblet.

AP: Pours a deep rich very dark brown colour, only a couple shades off of black. Solid and thick looking. Not a big head on this, only about 1/2" of light tan fluffy foam that dwindles to 1/4". Light lacing on the glass.
AR: Heavy baking chocolate aroma with some espresso in the background. Not getting any pumpkin aroma in this and the spices (nutmeg, allspice) are very faint. The chocolate is the dominant scent though I do get a little of black bread, dark fruit (fig, raisin) and molasses buried under the chocolate. Smells nice, but I do hope the flavour doesn't reflect the nose and I'll get more of the other flavours and not just mostly chocolate.
T: Have to say, I'm not impressed with the flavours on this. They seem watered down in the mouth, nothing like the aroma. And they aren't in balance, they are all over the place with each flavour running around on it's own. No structure to speak of here. The chocolate is fainter than the nose and mostly makes it's appearance at the end. There's a bit of roast at the fore and middle. I'm getting some kind of metallic taste as well that's off putting for me. This is rather disappointing.
M: Like the flavour, the body on this is watery and way light for an 8.2% Baltic Porter. Carbonation is moderate, no creaminess which I'd expect some from the style.
OV: Mediocre effort far as I'm concerned. The look and nose were solid so I've no idea where they went wrong with this. Body and flavours were just too watery for me and really let me down here. Their He Said Tripel was very good, so I don't understand how they got this one wrong. I think they should scrap this one and just brew more of the Tripel. (1,704 characters)

Photo of smakawhat
3.36/5  rDev -10.4%
look: 4.25 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

Poured from the can into a nonic pint glass.

Deep dark walnut black, with some sliver of red, but pretty much uniform dark body caps with a large three to four finger soapy thick light tan head. Faint light cocoa color a bit also and shampoo like clumping.

Pumpkin beer like spice senses of clove and nutmeg, a little bit of chocolate senses but not much roasty character. A bit dry and almost nutty tannic, and some almost sensing pounded and fresh dried clove, quite hot.

Palate comes with a sense of good silky milk quality at first. Then there is that dry alcohol sense nearly fussel mixing in with pumpkin like spices. Charring roast adds on the aftertaste and really exacerbates the bitterness. The flavors are not gelling well, and the bitterness is not a pleasant one.

Overall it's got the spiced pumpkin profile similar to it's tripel, but it's bitterness is really not in control here and doesn't make for a very enjoyable beer experience. It's ok. (962 characters)

Photo of TruePerception
3.46/5  rDev -7.7%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.25 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

He Said Dark, Baltic-style Porter brewed with pumpkin and spice. 8.2% ABV.

Appearance: Okay! Almost spilled over. About 2 fingers of slightly brown head. The beer is black, with hue of brownish-red when held up to the light just so.

Smell: Nice roasted malt on the nose. A slight pumpkin spice, and even less actual pumpkin.

Taste/Mouthfeel: It has a very smooth texture on the palate. A good amount of roasted malt, bordering on coffee. A very subtle hint of pumpkin.

Overall: While fairly good on it's own, I don't think it stands up so well as a pumpkin ale (er, lager). Oh well...

12 oz. can, poured into a pint glass. (631 characters)

Photo of Huffs
3.47/5  rDev -7.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 3.5

Poured into a sam adams glass, nice head, tan, developed with good retention and lacing. Appearance was almost black in color. Aroma had notes of pine, chocolate, coffee, spice and pumpkin. Tasted of coffee and spice, strong spice, with a bite up front. Strong spice notes of of cinnamon, allspice and cardamom. Mouthfeel was medium to full with a dry and bitter aftertaste. (374 characters)

Photo of angrybabboon
3.49/5  rDev -6.9%
look: 4 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Cheers to Goblinmunkey7 for giving me a can of this

Consumed 11/28/13

Appearance: Surprisingly, remarkably dark, borderline jet black - pours with a creamy, fluffy, light tan head - impressive, solid head retention and leaves some lovely blobs of lacing

Smell: Chocolate, cocoa, and some pumpkin spices - nice range of chocolate, including burnt chocolate malts, baker's chocolate, semisweet chocolate, and cocoa - some pumpkin spices, like cinnamon, nutmeg, and ginger, but they are somewhat overpowered by the burnt/roasty aromas - some burnt squash, pumpkin - some earthy aromas

Taste: It's like someone attempted to make a chocolate pumpkin loaf, burnt it, and then threw it into a pile of dirt - earthy, dirty, burnt chocolate - more chocolate malts than anticipated from the aroma, and a little less cocoa - decidedly burnt, and very earthy - some pumpkin, as well as some cooked squash - some malty sweetness and caramel - straight-up sugary sweetness - pumpkin pie spices are definitely here as well, with some cinnamon, nutmeg, allspice, and clove

Mouthfeel: Medium-ish body, nicely carbonated, smooth, kind of oily and sticky in the finish while simultaneously being dry

Overall: Baltic Porter + pumpkin + great brewery + great brewery = slightly better than meh?

Well, this is definitely better than the other He Said (Tripel). But I do have some issues. It's overly earthy and borderline dirty. And there is an odd amount of sweetness. Overall, after having reviewed the He Said Tripel a few hours ago, I am reaching the conclusion that while 21st Amendment and Elysian are great breweries on an individual level, they do not produce magic when collaborating. Sorry. (1,685 characters)

Photo of morimech
3.5/5  rDev -6.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Appears black in the glass with two fingers of head that slowly settles to a thick cap. Moderate amount of spotty lacing is left down the glass.

Aroma is a mixture of Baltic Porter and pumpkin pie spice. Nice dark malt aroma with compliments of nutmeg and cinnamon.

Flavor is a bit overpowered by the spice. The spice even feels a little hot. Not much for pumpkin but I am not disappointed in that. I think there is some nice malt flavor underneath the spice but cannot say for sure.

Has a Baltic Porter body and not a pumpkin beer body which scores points with me. Nicely carbonated.

If I read the label better and saw the word pumpkin, I never would of bought the He Said four pack. Turns out to be a better than average beer that is just too heavy handed with the spice. (777 characters)

Photo of JohnGalt1
3.5/5  rDev -6.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

rb

For me this is MUCH more approachable than the Triple.. decent 1" head drops back leaving good lacing... the brew is standard black.

Bigger spices than I appreciate, but they are reigned in by the darker malt presence.. Asian cinnamon... and something else I cannot put my palate on.. I dig this one, it isn't over done at all. Good roastiness and trailing off to a sorta sweet cinnamon essence.

Med/Light bodied with a lighter carbonation helps make this feel more full and lend toward a slow-down as I enjoy it.

3.5 across the board. (542 characters)

Photo of mitch3114
3.5/5  rDev -6.7%

Sampled on 10/4/14 at annual pumpkin tasting party, reviewed from notes:

Poured from can into tasting glass

A great Baltic Porter, but lacking on the pumpkin characteristics. The addition of pumpkin may have changed the overall taste of the beer, but not in a way that anyone can really tell that pumpkin had been introduced as one of the ingredients.

Great looking, dark, roasty, earthy, hops, etc. Bold and flavorful. Again, a great baltic porter very much to true to the style. Also, a great offering coming from two great breweries. However, a little disappointed with the lack of pumpkin (or even typical pumpkin beer flavors, i.e. spices..) especially since Elysian is so well known for consistently turning out great pumpkin beers.

Points off for the lack of pumpkin. However, if this was "HE SAID BALTIC PORTER" I think it would be closer to 4.25. (859 characters)

Photo of Jason
3.51/5  rDev -6.4%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.25 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

12oz can with a freshness date on the bottom.

More of a Porter than a pumpkin ale, that is the tone here. Spiced out like a fall/winter brew with some vagueness to where this is all going. Thankfully the Porter side of it all helps keep things together even if this beer is just pretty good.

LOOK: Chunky head, good trail of lacing, black in color

SMELL: Burnt wood, charred grain twang, vague spice, alcohol, chicory

TASTE: Roasted grain, very warming alcohol, perfume flair, cedar, caraway seed, mild cinnamon, burnt currants, pumpkin?, long roasty finish, semi-dry, lingering roastiness and spice (603 characters)

Photo of QuentinCall
3.54/5  rDev -5.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.25 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

A beer that almost demands staunch apologists -- defensible but unremarkable, curious but still blatantly attuned to the public consciousness -- and as such, something that might very possibly become remembered for being better than it was. What I'm saying is, if one felt compelled to compare it to a firm point in the Sam Raimi filmography, the logical conclusion would, overwhelmingly, be Darkman. (400 characters)

Photo of seand
3.54/5  rDev -5.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

A: Pours nearly black and nearly opaque, with lots of tan head. The foam subsides to a thin but solid layer, leaving lots of lacing.

S: Sweet and roasty, with possibly a touch of heat from the booze.

T: Medium roasty sweetness, with a slightly bitter roasted note coming forward through the finish. Nice balance overall, if a little light.

M: A little odd; overall, pretty full bodied, but a little thin feeling through the middle. Medium carbonation.

Overall, good. It's a pretty solid option for a darker stronger beer in cans. It could be better though, and it's lighter than you would expect for the ABV. (612 characters)

Photo of taylor714914
3.55/5  rDev -5.3%
look: 4.25 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Overall, a nicely done pumpkin porter. I wouldn't call this a baltic porter, as i think it misses the mark on the mouthfeel and body.

It has a nice richness to it, not quite baltic, not quite english porter. The pumpkin and spices complement the notes of dark chocolate, roasted grain, and faint coffee.

Overall a nice mix of flavors, enough to keep things interesting. With this coming in a 4 pack and 2 of each style in the 4 pack, I'd easily grab one or 2 four packs a year around fall. (491 characters)

Photo of vkv822
3.56/5  rDev -5.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

12oz : tulip

Pours black with a foamy light brown head and spotty lacing.

The caraway and cinnamon come through initially, as more of a general allspice character, with hints of the pumpkin and a pleasant dark, roasty, faintly cocoa backbone. The spices certainly lend a distinct Pumpkin Ale character.

Medium body, finishes a bit thin for my liking, but I've found that to be typical with the lager yeast used for Baltic Porters so I can't really knock it. Foamy carbonation.

A well done take on a Baltic Porter, though it is certainly just as equally a Pumpkin Ale in taste in my opinion. Happy to have another can to enjoy. (631 characters)

Photo of HardTarget
3.56/5  rDev -5.1%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 2.25 | overall: 3.75

Appearance: Black glass holds a thin tan head that leaves loops of lace. No light comes through, even at the edges.

Smell: Spice note is up front, pumpkin pie, pear skin, slightly vegatal but not to a flaw. No raosted barley, or any real malt or beer smell comes through save maybe a slight yeasty note.

Taste: Deep, under the pumpkin pie spice (clove? nutmeg? cinnamon?), under the cola sweet base malt, there is a slight ribbon of something dark and malty. But it is deep under the mountain.

Mouthfeel: Odd creamy texture that evaporates too quickly into a very light bodied beer. Very high carbonation has it go frothy in the mouth more than fizzy, the body isn't heavy enough to support it so it ends up being dried out and empty.

Overall: Over spiced, not heavy enough to cellar to let it settle down, a bit of a train wreck, but a good evening sipper, a pumpkin, or pumpkin pie spice beer that's better than most.

Thanks to Illudium for the sample! (960 characters)

Photo of asaharyev
3.56/5  rDev -5.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 3.75

Pour: Black with some dark brown edging, and a great fluffy head.

Aroma: Cinnamon and pumpkin with sweet chocolate malts and a bit of saltiness. A strange aroma, with the pumpkin and spice taking over.

Taste: Again, the pumpkin and cinnamon are right up front, but now more of the chocolate comes through, with a touch of coffee. There is a certain bitterness to the flavor, which comes in at the end nicely. Still, the pumpkin is the focus, as it should be.

Overall: A decent porter, though I’m not entirely sure the pumpkin works as well as I might like. I wouldn’t mind trying the porter behind this beer with no pumpkin added. (637 characters)

Photo of VelvetExtract
3.57/5  rDev -4.8%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

A-Pours relatively dark. Light does pass most of the way through. Head is well formed. It is big and fluffy with a very dark tint to it. Solid lace.

S-Aroma displays some spicy Autumnal aromas. Cinnamon and other spices. Powdered cocoa. Yeastiness. Pumpkin spice.

T-Cinnamon, nutmeg, cocoa powder and pumpkin flesh. Light coffee. All the flavors work well with one another.

M-Rather light in body. Feels slightly watery. Booze hidden fairly well.

O/D-Pretty decent. Not sure how enamored I am with the combo of porter and pumpkin here. (539 characters)

Photo of chefhatt
3.6/5  rDev -4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Poured from the can, it has a dark, rich black color body with a small tan head. The smell has a rich malt and cinnamon smell to it. The taste has a deep sweetness to it with the spices coming through, I get a little pumpkin flavor as it warms up. Moutjfeel is great and overall a really good beer. (298 characters)

Photo of jlindros
3.62/5  rDev -3.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.25 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Yay cans... just reviewed this beer and lost internet somewhere before i hit submit, so lost the hwole thing, so this will be short and to the point.

A: Nice creamy foamy 1+ finger dark colored head, almost black beer.

N: Some cocoa powder, little black malt, burnt vegetables, fermented pumpkin, mild baking spices and caramel, vegetal aromas and gourd.

T: More cocoa powder, light earthy root like character with the cooked pumpkin, baking spices, caramel, hint of raisin like fruit, some herbal earhty hops with mild bitterness, little vegetable. Finish drier but not crisp, little more bitterness, more cocoa, bit more pumpkin and baking spices.

M: Med bod, little creamy, mild warming booze, decent carb.

O: Not bad but some flaws, cooked vegetables esp on the aroma are a bit of a turnoff, pumpkin was OK but a bit on the cooked side, baking spices and cocoa were nice, OK beer but could be better. (909 characters)

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He Said (Baltic Porter) from 21st Amendment Brewery
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