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W'12 Dark Saison - Widmer Brothers Brewing Company

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W'12 Dark SaisonW'12 Dark Saison

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268 Ratings
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Ratings: 268
Reviews: 117
rAvg: 3.41
pDev: 15.54%
Wants: 2
Gots: 3 | FT: 0
Brewed by:
Widmer Brothers Brewing Company visit their website
Oregon, United States

Style | ABV
Saison / Farmhouse Ale |  5.50% ABV

Availability: Limited (brewed once)

Notes & Commercial Description:
Beer added by: leedorham on 12-31-2011

This beer is retired; no longer brewed.

Availability: Spring (2012)
Bitterness: 25 IBU
Alcohol by Volume: 5.5%

Original Gravity: 11.75 Plato
Malts: 2-Row Pale, White Wheat, Caramel 120L, Vienna, Dark Chocolate
Hops: Alchemy, Saaz
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Ratings: 268 | Reviews: 117
Reviews by Pegasus:
Photo of Pegasus
3.5/5  rDev +2.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Appearance: Clear amber, with a modest white head, thin glass-coating lace, and very slight carbonation.

Aroma: Strong earthy notes, with almost a barnyard note, swith our hay, and decaying wood. There is also a slight note of dark fruit.

Taste: Notes of earthy, medicinal notes from start to finish. There are also moderate herbal hops, and a grassy undercurrent, and a faint note of sweet alcohol. Finishes with a lingering. slightly spicy hop note.

Mouth feel: smooth, sof, and quite pleasant.

Drinkability/notes: A decent and interesting example, worth a try.

Presentation: Packaged in a custom twelve-ounce brown glass bottle with a pry-off crown, served in a standard Pilsener glass.

More User Reviews:
Photo of ExtraStout
3/5  rDev -12%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

I had the Dark Saison in a pint.

Appearance- The head is not as large or chunky as most saisons I have tried. It maybe hits a half finger of white fizz before barely getting full coverage of the cap.

The body is a pretty and transparent ruby-copper. Only a few strings of slow moving carbonation are noticed in the beer.

Smell- Soft and earthy yeast is at the forefront of the nose. Maybe a little tangy citrus is also appreciated, a lemon scent one second and an orange scent the next. There is a peppery quality here too. No real dark malt can be found. It is reminds me of a saison/wit combo.

Taste- A hint of cream corn and earthy yeast come right away, making the best case for this having a saison base. It also showcases that pepper-spice alongside some faint fruity qualities, like a combo of lemon and pear.

The finish is very interesting with the roasted malt and slight cocoa finally coming into play. It is a signature finish to what was just an "all-right" tasting saision. Let me stress how light these flavors are though. Would be much better if it were amped a bit.

Mouth feel- The medium to light body is made better by the creamy carbonation. This really helps the beer finish smooth and clean. The finish would be hurt without it.

Overall- I do not know if saison drinkers will really get behind this beer. I think Widmer has crafted a good beer with just a hint of dark malt and wit characteristics.

I think they advertise it to have a more pronounced dark malt presence than what there actually is, and in a way, that is disappointing. But I can't argue with how easy this beer is to drink.

If you don't worry about what this beer was supposed to be, and have a palate for saisons, you could do worse.

Photo of Guden
3.76/5  rDev +10.3%
look: 3 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

A - A medium amber body with a red tint and amazing clarity. Lots of little carbonation bubbles rise up into the small but long lasting off white head. I expected this to be darker based on the name is the biggest flaw.

S- Candy, both toffee and gummy worms, are the first thing to hit the nose. These mingle with earthy and funky yeast character and some spicy hops.

T- The taste is surprisingly different from the nose. While there is a bit of sweet candy character its balanced with a moderate hop spiciness and a noticeable but mild bitterness that stays on the tongue a bit longer than the other flavors. It's tasty and a little different but seems all a bit subdued.

M- Moderately dry with some creaminess and moderate carbonation, seems a little fuller in the mouth than most saisons but with the dark grains it works.

D- This beer is very drinkable but isn't quite what I was looking for. It's a bit like an English brown ale that was made with saaz hops and saison yeast, sweet and fairly mild but with those added layers of complexity.

Photo of Billolick
3.28/5  rDev -3.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

32 ounce growler filled at Green Growler Grocery in Croton-on-Hudson, NY

Pours medium chocolate amber, under a loose light tan head that does stay around for a while, slight film, slim collar and minor but fine lace.

Yeasty, with fruits (bananas mostly) and mild pepper on the nose.

On the light/near watery side mouthfeel wise.

Notes of light chocolate, more fruity yeast, with ripe bananas, again some pepper adds to the mix. A slight mettalic/plastic not also is noted, not too pleasant.

Far from a fine saison, this one seems a bit off to me....try at your own risk, or go for one other hundreds of better saisons out there..

Photo of Mora2000
2.98/5  rDev -12.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

The beer pours a clear medium to dark brown color with a white head. The aroma has some orange citrus notes, as well as some Belgian yeast and spice. There is also a hint of toffee. The flavor is a little bit medicinal. I get some pepper and orange citrus, as well as some yeast and toffee and biscuit malt. Medium mouthfeel and medium carbonation.

Photo of jondeelee
3.5/5  rDev +2.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

W’12 Dark Saison opens with a lovely Saison-style nose, full of bananas, cloves, funky spices, yeasty bread dough, and lovely fruits. The funky spice notes are immediately apparent, with cloves dominating the profile, and subtler touches of pepper and coriander beneath. The fruits are surprisingly spritzy and light, with orange zest and white grape mainly present. As a whole, the nose is well balanced and enticing, though the “dark” part of the beer’s name--which would seem to connote more ashy flavors--isn’t immediately present; only touches of fig and grape seem to fit the moniker.

On the tongue, the beer opens with a banana, clove, and coriander shot, followed immediately by a small touch of ash and wood. The darker notes here are quite light--nowhere near the intensity of even a porter--but play off of the fruits and spices quite well. Other flavors include brown sugar, orange, grapefruit zest, lemon zest, and an assortment of whole grain breads and toast crust. The aftertaste is lingering banana and spicy pepper, with remnants of bread, as well as an alcoholic vapor of medium strength, and fades with moderate quickness. Mouthfeel is medium-light, and carbonation is medium.

Overall, this is good fare, and the subtle ashy layer that underpins the spice and fruit is a neat touch. The beer, however, comes across just a bit too light and watery in both taste and mouthfeel (though I recognize this is characteristic of the style). The 5.5% ABV does make it an ideal summer beer candidate, and the flavors would be quite welcome on a hot day.

Photo of TheSixthRing
3.75/5  rDev +10%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3.5

Appearance - Pours a semi-clear ruby amber with an off-white finger width head. Retention is good, leaving behind a healthy, sticky lace.

Smell - Belgian yeast qualities on the nose, overripe banana, brown sugar, a touch of clove and caramel.

Taste - Predominately Belgian yeast flavors; slightly sour with hints of banana and clove. Faint caramel notes come into play mid flavor. Finishes slightly spicy with a mellow banana fade, and a slight metallic twang.

Mouthfeel - A touch watery. Decent carbonation, but not enough to save a fairly disappointing body.

Overall - A pretty good effort from Widmer here. Not sure how this constitutes as being a dark saison, but it's a good one regardless.

Photo of ChopperSmith
3.33/5  rDev -2.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Poured from a 12 oz. brown bottle into a tulip glass.

Appearance: Clear deep brown with a reddish tint, a one finger tan foam head that faded quick and left light lacing.

Smell: Slight sweet malt and yeast fruit aromas. Very subtle.

Taste: Like it smells, sweet malts with a yeast profile that offers dark fruits like plums and raisins. Also a little hops to balance. None of the flavors seem prominent enough and are all a little watered down.

Mouth feel: Light to medium body with average carbonation.

Overall: If they bumped up the alcohol and yeasts, this would be similar to a decent Belgian Dark Ale...as it is, it comes across as a light version of that. Not bad, just a little lacking and too light on everything for my tastes.

Photo of tdm168
3.5/5  rDev +2.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Pours a dark amber with a thin layer of soft, white head that quickly fades away. The nose has is faint and is dominated by some Belgian yeast and light spices. The flavor is lightly malty with faint notes of caramel. The taste is dominated by yeasty, peppery, spicy notes. The mouthfeel is medium bodied, smooth, but a little heavily carbonated.

This is an easy dirnking, Belgian-style ale. The flavor isn't anything to write home about but it's interesting. I probably won't seek it out again, but it was worth a try once.

Photo of secondtooth
3.95/5  rDev +15.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

A creative melding of a Belgian saison and a roasty-malted dark ale, this intriguing brew pours a rusty amber with a nice head and superb lace.

Nose is caramel and candied fruit. Promising!

Taste is fruity and yeasty, with a hint of roast at the finish. Very much in the saison tradition, but with a tasty and enjoyable twist. I really liked this one.

Photo of socon67
3.32/5  rDev -2.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

A - Dark copper pour, some lacing, and good foam retantion.

S - Smell of belgian yeast, earthy spices, and fresh grains.

T - Only okay. The balance seemed a bit out of whack. Didn't have that crisp flavor typical of a good saison.

M - Decent drinking beer, but after a while the flavor seemed bland.

O - Wouldn't try it again. Was curious about a dark saison, but this almost seemed like it really wasn't to the style.

Photo of cjgator3
3.15/5  rDev -7.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

12oz bottle

A- Poured into a tulip glass. Pours a dark brown color with an off-white head.

S- The aroma is fruity malt, caramel, bananas, and Belgian yeast.

T- The taste like the aroma has some malt up front along with banana, spices and yeast. 

M- The mouthfeel is light bodied with a high amount of carbonation.

O- Overall, this one fell short for me. I was excited about the concept of the beer but it was just lacking. This beer in not bad by any means, but it is merely on the average side.

Photo of Fatehunter
3.91/5  rDev +14.7%
look: 3 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Poured into a goblet. Thin head layer on top of a copper, transparent body.

Complex smell: raisins, apples and wet malt.

Sweet tasting, harsh bitterness midway to balance the sweetness. Dried fruit, plum.

Thinner body and moderate carbonation.

A good take on a Dark Saison.

Photo of russpowell
3.57/5  rDev +4.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Pours a chill hazed orange with a sliver of tan head. Average lacing & good head retention

S: Green apple peel & cinnamon, some perfumy notes as well

T: Follows the nose, faint grassy, lemony & woody hops up front. Appleskins, pears & grassy hops as this warms. Finishes fruitty, grassy & with a slight apple juice sweetness

MF: Light bodied, firm carbonation

Held up well for a 4 month old beer, but nothing special. Nice trainig wheels saisin I suppose

Photo of Blargimus
3.07/5  rDev -10%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

12 oz bottle poured into tulip. Bottled on 12/14/2011.

Pours about how you would expect an amber ale to look, maybe slightly darker. 2 fingers of fluffy white head. Not bad looking.

Smells eerily like a saison. It's the same cognitive dissonance you get when you smell a black IPA. A little yeasty, a little malty, a touch of sourness. Quite pleasant.

Taste is a little disappointing. There's a yeastiness to start off, followed by a bit of roasted flavor near the end, but there's not a lot of depth. The aftertaste, however, is quite bad. Stale, almost. Blech.

Mouthfeel is fairly dry and thin, but it is a saison, after all. No complaints.

Overall, this is something I'd happily drink if given to me, but wouldn't buy again.

Photo of KTCamm
3.79/5  rDev +11.1%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Poured from a 12 oz bottle into a pint glass.

Pours a medium dark brown with no foam. Completely clear atop. Funky farmhouse smell. Bubblegum. Maybe subtle cola. Lots going on.

Malty citrus taste. Strange/different hop bitter close. Light carbonation but enough to drive the flavor to the right level. Nicely blended saison, tasty with a bunch of things going on.

Photo of Bung
2.96/5  rDev -13.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

12 oz. darker amber pour, light cream head, roughly a fingers worth.

Aroma, light yeast and toasted malt. Faint fruitiness? Not much going on really.

Taste is a little better. Some yeasty spice, clove. A kind of watered down malt, apple, pear.

Drinks easy. Carbonation is fine, lighter body. Pretty thin. An uber gateway Saison possibly, otherwise pretty meh.

Photo of Docer
3.97/5  rDev +16.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Appearance: (3.5)
- This beer pours a nice dark sun-tea brown with a quickly dissipating finger of fizzy off-white to greyish head. A small ring of lace and island of thin foam rest behind. Overall solid, it isn't a big frothy Saison that I am used to.

Smell: (4.0)
- Nice esters in the nose. Plumb and fig along with some zesty clove and herbal spices. Light sweat bready grains and a zesty lemon-like presence. This puppy smells good. Perhaps a dash of molasses sweetness and earthy aromas.

Taste: (4.0)
- I like the balance in this light and smooth tasting Saison. The bready semi-sweet grain melds well with the zesty esters and spices. The balance is spot on in this brew while remaining rather light. It does however leave me wondering a bit what a slightly stronger version of this would be like. It does have a slight earthy and grassy aftertaste which contributes to some of the feel. This beer is good.

Mouth Feel: (4.0)
- Overall this is a light bodied to slightly medium bodied brew. It's sessionable, and is just a touch chewy and cloying. It has a nice drying effect which causes me to not put my glass down. Overall well carbonated and quite nice.

Overall: (4.0)
- Certainly no let down here. The beer is just very balanced, and is a smooth tasty drinker. It actually tastes very good, and doesn't have some of the random off flavors that many of this style have. The smell and taste is where this beer shines, which I feel is the most important. I think this will be a great intro beer for new and future craft beer enthusiasts.

Photo of JohnGalt1
3.65/5  rDev +7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

12oz picked up at the COOP.. poured into my little CC goblet.. off white head with good lacing.. the brew is a good deep amber ... very clear..

Slightly phenolic in the aromas.. a bit of clove and some pepper.. some light caramel and fig notes...

toasty elements with some dried raisin and light clove... interesting almost molasses traces that are of place.. dark rye bread crusts on the finish.. a smattering of honey essence..

The body is expected light/medium.. the carbonation is a touch light for the style but within forgivable range...

Pretty interesting brew with the current Saison craze in the PNW... I think this one cuts through the masses and makes for a good approachable dark(ish) saison ... the "dark" qualities seem too much when compared to the benchmarks of the brew...

3.5/3.5/3.5/4/4

Photo of buschbeer
3.5/5  rDev +2.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

12oz bottle
Served in a tulip glass

A - It is dark amber with amber highlights. It had a fleeting inch of beige head.

S - I get a little funk with some sour cherry. There's also a little soap smell in there.

T - I get more of that soap in the taste. The wild yeast also presents a slight funk. I also detect just a hint of roasted malt.

M - Medium with lots of carbonation.

O - It is a soapy beer with some funk.

Photo of IPAguy2009
2.49/5  rDev -27%
look: 3.5 | smell: 2 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

A- dark amber color, clarity is medium.

S root beer raisiney smell. Slight vanilla in there. Smells kinda bland. Somewhat soapy like as well.

T- I don't know if I'm labeling this right but I'm getting bitter root beer with tobacco like notes as well. Little almost homebrew like taste at the end. Not digging it too much.

M- pretty thick with a touch of carbonation on the way down.

O- anything with the name widmer on it for me is pretty solid. Their drifter pale ale was my first favorite beer and was the beer that was responsible for showing me the beautiful world of beers, so I always got widmers back! They got a special place in my heart. But sadly, I have discovered my least favorite beer by them. Sorry widmer, but I don't recommend this one.

Photo of metter98
3.43/5  rDev +0.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 3.25

A: The beer is very hazy brownish yellow in color and has a light amount of visible carbonation. It poured with a thin white head that quickly died down, leaving a few bubbles on the surface and a thin collar around the edge of the glass.
S: Light aromas of Belgian yeast are present in the nose along with notes of toasted malts and hints of fruits and spices.
T: Flavors of earthy yeast and toasted malts are present in the overall taste; notes of cloves and spices are present in the finish.
M: It feels light- to medium-bodied on the palate and has a low amount of carbonation.
O: This beer doesn’t taste like your typical saison and seems to be closer to a bière de garde, especially with the flavors of earthy yeast. I think I would have enjoyed this more if it had a little more carbonation and dryness.

Photo of twiggamortis420
3.62/5  rDev +6.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

12 oz bottle pours a clear copper color with a creamy cap of tan head. Decent retention and lacing.

Nose shows off a fair amount of yeast esters with bubblegum and banana leading the charge. Toasty caramel comprise the malt aromas. Smells pretty good actually.

Taste does not quite follow through with the same class as the nose, but still not half bad. The toasty malt with a touch of honey blends pretty well with a mild yeast and a dry hop finish. Its more earthy than I like to see in a saison, and the yeast is too clean. While I was happy with half a sixer, I dont really think I would want to buy again.

Photo of DrDemento456
3.85/5  rDev +12.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Brewed once in I guess December 14th which is my brewed on date.

A - Well it's dark for a Saison with a dark tint amber brown. Head was a minimal 1/4 inch that turns to a rather thick lace ring.

S - I smell mostly Saison notes of lemon and mild funky yeasts. Little to no roast to make this "black"

T - Well I do get some fruit flavors along with my lemon. Reminds me of a bock a bit. I nice touch of fruity yeasts and a roasty finish. Different.

M - Light to medium very acceptable for the style.

Overall I kind of like the idea of adding black malts to Saison style. Very tasty.

Photo of Zorro
3.35/5  rDev -1.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Clear dark amber to light brown colored ale with a small tan colored head.

Smell is intensely spicy and fruity. Caramel apples and pepper with a little menthol.

Starts out fruity apple with a lot of caramel taste. Mild bitterness. Sweet with some pepper in the finish.

Mouthfeel is about average.

Overall too sweet for the style.

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W'12 Dark Saison from Widmer Brothers Brewing Company
78 out of 100 based on 268 ratings.