W'12 Dark Saison - Widmer Brothers Brewing Company

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W'12 Dark SaisonW'12 Dark Saison

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267 Ratings
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Ratings: 267
Reviews: 117
rAvg: 3.41
pDev: 15.54%
Wants: 2
Gots: 3 | FT: 0
Brewed by:
Widmer Brothers Brewing Company visit their website
Oregon, United States

Style | ABV
Saison / Farmhouse Ale |  5.50% ABV

Availability: Limited (brewed once)

Notes/Commercial Description:
This beer is retired; no longer brewed.

Availability: Spring (2012)
Bitterness: 25 IBU
Alcohol by Volume: 5.5%

Original Gravity: 11.75 Plato
Malts: 2-Row Pale, White Wheat, Caramel 120L, Vienna, Dark Chocolate
Hops: Alchemy, Saaz

(Beer added by: leedorham on 12-31-2011)
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Photo of nmann08
3.5/5  rDev +2.6%

Photo of metter98
3.43/5  rDev +0.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 3.25

A: The beer is very hazy brownish yellow in color and has a light amount of visible carbonation. It poured with a thin white head that quickly died down, leaving a few bubbles on the surface and a thin collar around the edge of the glass.
S: Light aromas of Belgian yeast are present in the nose along with notes of toasted malts and hints of fruits and spices.
T: Flavors of earthy yeast and toasted malts are present in the overall taste; notes of cloves and spices are present in the finish.
M: It feels light- to medium-bodied on the palate and has a low amount of carbonation.
O: This beer doesn’t taste like your typical saison and seems to be closer to a bière de garde, especially with the flavors of earthy yeast. I think I would have enjoyed this more if it had a little more carbonation and dryness.

Photo of kjkinsey
3.75/5  rDev +10%

Photo of BEERchitect
3.23/5  rDev -5.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Dark saisons are the evil cousin to the standard farmhouse style. Where the elegant dry fruit and earthy spice of the original takes a dark and somewhat deviant turn to charred fruits and black peppercorn, the whole world of saisons turn on its axis.

Pouring a deep and dark bronze color, the nearly bark-brown beer shows allows for garnet highlights to show. Creamy carbonation releases a thick and somewhat liquefied head of ivory-white foam that retains and laces nicely throughout the duration of the session. It seems that I wanted a more bubbly appearance and head character that was more airy, rocky, and sticky.

Aromas of toast rise to the nose immediately and do so with a spicy jab of freshly cracked black peppercorns. Background notes of thin caramel, baked breads/bread crust, and barley malt complement the toasty scent and balance the fruity notes of charred plumbs, grapes, and currants.

Flavors follow, but do so with an introduction of light caramel malt, nutty, toasty, and fruity sweetness. Spicy notes seem of pepper, earthy rye, and zesty hops and seemingly do so with spice additions instead of unique yeast character. Fruitiness of apples, plumbs, and dates- all of the toasted varieties, begin to seem more of an English-like ale rather than Belgian fruity/spicy interplay.

Creamy sweetness coats the mouth in full fashion. Where the effervescence should wash away the malt sweetness and usher in the fruity, spicy dryness- here, the malt sweetness and body lingers long past mid palate and only lightens as the warm alcohols and hop dryness assists in finish.

Saisons are one of my favorite styles, and I enjoy all the variations that the style takes. Even traditional ones are known to be darker and toastier. Although this is a pleasant enough beer, it misses the bone dry fruit and sharp earthy spice that make Saisons so unique. I feel that a few 'conveniences' were taken that hinder the beer and doesn't allow it to compete favorably with classic Belgian varieties or even Goose Island's Pepe Nero.

Photo of jaydoc
3.25/5  rDev -4.7%

Photo of womencantsail
3.53/5  rDev +3.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Sort of caramel/brown in color with an off-white head. Heavy on the yeast aroma with a bit of pepper and some spicy noble hop aromas. A hint of chocolate (chocolate malt?) and some faint caramel. The flavor has a definite banana character and there is some pepper, yeast, and dark fruit to it, too. The malt is sweet, but the beer is also a touch watery. Overall a decent beer, but not great.

Photo of ChainGangGuy
2.45/5  rDev -28.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 2 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 2

16 ounce pint - $6.50 at Taco Mac in Canton, Georgia.

Appearance: Lightly hazed, dark coppery-brown body with a half inch of near white foam depositing creamyish lace on the descent.

Smell: Grainy, spiced nose atop pale malts with a cautious sniff of a discarded fruity bubble gum wrapper. It's lacking, it's unappealing. Waiter!

Taste: Grainy-tasting toasted pale malts, also with a little smidge of wheat. Then, a generous helping of ground peppery spices and a taste like stale strawberry-flavored chewing gum. Lightly hopped, some bitterness. Semi-dry, chewing gum finish. Check, please!

Mouthfeel: Medium-bodied. Just a hair above medium carbonation.

Overall: I was in the mood for a good, albeit dark saison and this just didn't deliver. At all. Actually, it didn't feel particularly saisonesque.

Photo of StonedTrippin
3.4/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

not wild about this one, and it was given to me for free at a bottle shop, so that should say something. pours a dark red tinted copper color with a one inch tan head. aromas of stinky yeast, vienna malts, and burnt sugar. flavor has that saison tartness to it, but its very generic and uninspired, almost dead. the malt profile is decently complex, and i like the idea of darker saisons, but the yeast component is off in the beer. feel is well carbonated and lighter for the color, appropriate. overall not a beer i will buy again, but i appreciate the attempt at something different.

Photo of zeff80
3.88/5  rDev +13.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A - Poured out a dark amber color with a one-finger, off-white head of foam. It left some sudsy rings of lace on the glass.

S - It smelled of dried dark fruits and some sweet maltiness. Slight yeasty aroma.

T - It had a spicy bite upon first sip with a strong yeast presence. Bready malt backbone mixed with dried plum and raisin.

M - It was crisp, sharp and smooth. A medium bodied ale with a clean finish.

O - This is a pretty tasty beer, although I'm still not sure what to think of dark saisons. It seemed more like a Belgian Dark Ale.

Photo of Slatetank
3.6/5  rDev +5.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

I picked this up in a mix six, poured into a goblet chilled, shared with tenderbranson69.

The color is mildly hazed caramel with some bronze shades with a thick cream cap that settles to a ring of white. The bead is fine and carbonation is visible. The smell is very yeasty with a slight phenolic tinge with slight spice and mild clove with a mellow malt accent. The feel is pretty good with a gentle bitterness and mild malt sweetness with mostly dry body which is medium heavy with slight creaminess and moderate carbonation.

A taste of dried fruit and slight spice with some dark bread and light pepper in the tertiary. The flavor has a lot of yeast presence which is slightly peppery and adds a hint of tangy tropical flavor to the saison. There is a light taste of ripe banana and the mild toast notes accent the herbal nutty and spiced flavors. Overall I enjoyed drinking this, but it doesn't stand out as far as other saisons on the dark side of the spectrum for me.

Photo of russpowell
3.55/5  rDev +4.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Pours a chill hazed orange with a sliver of tan head. Average lacing & good head retention

S: Green apple peel & cinnamon, some perfumy notes as well

T: Follows the nose, faint grassy, lemony & woody hops up front. Appleskins, pears & grassy hops as this warms. Finishes fruitty, grassy & with a slight apple juice sweetness

MF: Light bodied, firm carbonation

Held up well for a 4 month old beer, but nothing special. Nice trainig wheels saisin I suppose

Photo of mactrail
3.75/5  rDev +10%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

A lighter variety of Saison, but it has its charms. Quite lovely in the big chalice, with the dark amber color and decent foamy cap. Nice mouthfeel with plenty of fine carbonation.

Fairly sharp yet malty with an underlying sweetness. Not exactly a classic Saison. You have to think of this as a great light beer that has a Belgian pedigree. Reminds me of the Flying Dog Biere de Garde. The darker color doesn't seem to translate into much flavor, but there is a touch of caramel. Light body and tart. Bitter twang in the aftertaste.

Photo of MarkyMOD
3.75/5  rDev +10%

Photo of DrunkinYogi
3.5/5  rDev +2.6%

Photo of Mora2000
2.93/5  rDev -14.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

The beer pours a clear medium to dark brown color with a white head. The aroma has some orange citrus notes, as well as some Belgian yeast and spice. There is also a hint of toffee. The flavor is a little bit medicinal. I get some pepper and orange citrus, as well as some yeast and toffee and biscuit malt. Medium mouthfeel and medium carbonation.

Photo of Gueuzedude
3.26/5  rDev -4.4%
look: 4 | smell: 3.25 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.25

Sampled on tap @ 1702, Tucson; February 2012
A dark Saison for sure, but only a dark, concentrated amber color that shows a brilliantly clear, full amber hue with gold highlights to it. The head is a nice, tan color and starts out about one-finger thick and it leaves some nice layered lacing on the sides of my glass. The aroma is quite subtle after having the our-side, but is softly musty, with a touch of phenolics, some cracker like grain character and there is a fruitiness that gets more noticeable with time. The fruit character provides hints of pear, a touch of apple, and even a touch of floral / tart melon character.

The beer has a sweetness that is accentuated by the fruit character; it is actually fairly light bodied though does have a touch of viscous character to it (especially considering the lower alcohol). The fruit notes have lots of floral apple character, a touch of red plum and perhaps some pear notes to it. There is a touch of spiciness to this brew that has some light peppery character (brought out by the soft carbonation), some subtle though lingering clove, and perhaps even a touch of ginger. The spiciness has a muted mustiness to it that affects the malt character quite a bit; the grain character comes through a touch muddied, but with flavors of slightly stale crackers and whole grain character as well as a touch of caramelized, brown bread like malt character.

This is a decent Saison, but it certainly pales in comparison to the Stillwater Our Side that I just had. The yeast character isn’t quite defining enough and somehow it seems to muddle the malt character here. The fruitiness is the defining part of the flavor here, and it doesn’t quite do it for me as it sort of reminds me of oxidized cider.

Photo of GClarkage
4/5  rDev +17.3%

Photo of Halcyondays
3/5  rDev -12%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 2.5

12 oz. bottle,

A: Pours a clear brown with a medium white head, some spotty lace, good retention.

S: Toffee, winter spice, biscuity malt.

T: Good malt flavour, some floral hop character. A bit astringent at times, no real yeast character, I'd be hard pressed to call this a saison.

M: Medium-bodied, fairly smooth, creamy, some biting carbonation.

O: This is a good beer, but really tastes more like a brown ale than a saison. An enjoyable effort, but don't think saison going in.

Photo of Billolick
3.3/5  rDev -3.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

32 ounce growler filled at Green Growler Grocery in Croton-on-Hudson, NY

Pours medium chocolate amber, under a loose light tan head that does stay around for a while, slight film, slim collar and minor but fine lace.

Yeasty, with fruits (bananas mostly) and mild pepper on the nose.

On the light/near watery side mouthfeel wise.

Notes of light chocolate, more fruity yeast, with ripe bananas, again some pepper adds to the mix. A slight mettalic/plastic not also is noted, not too pleasant.

Far from a fine saison, this one seems a bit off to me....try at your own risk, or go for one other hundreds of better saisons out there..

Photo of mothman
2.43/5  rDev -28.7%
look: 3 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 2

Pours a layer of beige head. Color is a caramel hued copper.

Aroma: Caramel and chocolate. Some saison flavors and belgian yeast. Bananas and cloves. Reminds me more of a dunkelweisse.

Taste: Oddly roasted malts. Chocolate and bananas. Cloves and spices. Yeast. Not very saison like. Malty with some fruits.

Mouthfeel: Smooth and creamy. Medium bodied with a good amount of carbonation. Ends dry.

Overall, this wasn't anything like a saison. It was more like a german dunkelweisse so I have no idea what happened with this beer. It is okay if you don't think of it as a saison.

Photo of ejimhof
2.75/5  rDev -19.4%

Photo of Zorro
3.35/5  rDev -1.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Clear dark amber to light brown colored ale with a small tan colored head.

Smell is intensely spicy and fruity. Caramel apples and pepper with a little menthol.

Starts out fruity apple with a lot of caramel taste. Mild bitterness. Sweet with some pepper in the finish.

Mouthfeel is about average.

Overall too sweet for the style.

Photo of tdm168
3.5/5  rDev +2.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Pours a dark amber with a thin layer of soft, white head that quickly fades away. The nose has is faint and is dominated by some Belgian yeast and light spices. The flavor is lightly malty with faint notes of caramel. The taste is dominated by yeasty, peppery, spicy notes. The mouthfeel is medium bodied, smooth, but a little heavily carbonated.

This is an easy dirnking, Belgian-style ale. The flavor isn't anything to write home about but it's interesting. I probably won't seek it out again, but it was worth a try once.

Photo of billab914
3.48/5  rDev +2.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

12oz bottle into my Ithaca glass. It poured brown in color with a thin, frothy head covering the top of the beer.

The aroma shows a lot of peppery, earthy, yeast spice to it with banana being one of the predominant flavors. I get a good amount of the sweeter, malty, caramel flavors with just a hint of chocolate as well.

The banana and clove notes are pretty evident in the flavor as well. The caramel and malty sweet flavors are there as well. The yeast flavors give it a bit of a hefeweizen like quality, but the maltiness obviously sets it apart. Pretty good flavors overall.

The mouthfeel is a little light with carbonation being moderate. Overall it was a pretty good beer. It was flavorful, drinkable and a little unique as well. It didn't really taste very Saison like to me though, maybe more like a malty hefeweizen, as unintuitive as that sounds.

Photo of Latarnik
3.25/5  rDev -4.7%

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W'12 Dark Saison from Widmer Brothers Brewing Company
78 out of 100 based on 267 ratings.