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Short's Noble Chaos Oktoberfest - Short's Brewing Company

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Ratings: 216
Reviews: 75
rAvg: 3.69
pDev: 11.92%
Wants: 6
Gots: 17 | FT: 0
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Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
Märzen / Oktoberfest |  5.50% ABV

Availability: Fall

Notes & Commercial Description:
Beer added by: jimbotrost on 09-14-2005

Our new fall seasonal which is a Northern Michigan version of a German style Marzen or Oktoberfest, done the Short's Brew way. This beer is well balanced with Noble hop additions which provide a subtle bouquet and pleasant flavor which melds well with the malt profile consisting of 2 row, chocolate, special roast, caramel and Munich malts.  It's a brand new addition to the Short's Brew family of beer.
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Ratings: 216 | Reviews: 75
Photo of Tripel_Threat
4.09/5  rDev +10.8%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

Pours a glistening copper color from bottle to pint glass. Leaves a finger of creamy, dense head with great retention. Absolutely no lacing when the head settles to a thick millimeter cap, dense lacing forms on the glass when drinking. This'll be my first Oktoberfest style-ever. Lots and lots of tiny, tiny bubbles excellent carbonation. Aroma is sweet, malty, some milk chocolate/caramel notes. Mouthfeel is creamy, too. So far, if I had to describe each aspect of this marzen in one words, I'd choose smooth. Taste is sweet roasted malt, with a tiny citrus hop bite on the end, dry finish.
Can't wait to try other marzens, I'll have to make it a priority this year. This one has piqued my interest.

Photo of UPMD_Bill
3.77/5  rDev +2.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.75

This had a similar malt character of many other Oktoberfests but a different aroma. I liked it because it was different. Wouldn't mind trying it again.

Photo of mchegash
3.59/5  rDev -2.7%
look: 4 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Appearance - 4/5
A very hazy deep red-orange-brown. About 1 finger of head when initially poured, eventually dissipates down almost entirely. A small amount of carbonation can be seen rising upwards through the beer. Overall, a nice look and a nice color.

Smell - 3.7/5
Smells of burnt/smoky pine hops, some chocolate, perhaps a slight sweet maltiness. The smell is nice, but not really what I'm looking for in an Oktoberfest

Taste - 3.5/5
Hops, citrus, smokiness, some smoky malt sweetness. Mostly a lot of hops and smokiness. Can't really taste the malty sweetness which is supposed to be the main aspect of the Oktoberfest beer. And even so, not sure if I'm a giant fan of the taste anyway.

Mouthfeel - 3.6/5
Medium to full bodied (closer to medium). Carbonation is light to mediium. Beer is smooth and has aspects of both crispness and creaminess.

Overall - 3.5/5
This was an okay Oktoberfest. It was very smoky and hoppy, and not really what I was looking for. Even in general, I don't know if I would really be a fan of this beer. Not terrible, but I don't plan on ever getting again.

Photo of AntVal666
4.59/5  rDev +24.4%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.75

Delicious beer! I definitely will drink this again.

Photo of Sammy
3.4/5  rDev -7.9%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 3.25

so so marzen at hopcat

Photo of Alextricity
3.77/5  rDev +2.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.75

Bottled 9/9 and poured into a Sam Adams Perfect Pint on 10/22. $2 single. My first Marzen of 2014.

Appearance: Pretty neat label, with a king standing on a boat on the water. I think Short's ought to make the "Chaos" text white or grey to make it more visible, but that's just me. Anyway, a reasonably aggressive pour barely got the whole beer into my pint. Pillowy three finger beige head. Lots of lacing. The color of the beer is a bit of a hazy orange/red/brown color -- almost like that of an empty beer bottle. Awesome looking Oktoberfest.

Smell: It's probably because I haven't had one from the style for awhile, but it smells a little different to me when compared to other Marzens -- like I think I get a little more hops than most others. I also smell the Munich malt, but also some other sort of malt that reminds me of the variety they use in their Strawberry Short's Cake, which is a "dirty" sort of malt. There's also a faint dark fruit sweetness hanging around in there too.

Taste/feel: Very good, even if it's not quite as smooth and malt loaded as some other Oktoberfests out there. Good ol' munich malt, a slight earthy/grassy hop flavor, and a dry finish with a lingering typical Oktoberfest finish, with a slight hoppiness there with it. The feel is decent as well with a relatively high carbonation and a moderate body.

My favorite thing about Noble Chaos has to be the subtle Noble hop hoppiness. I was worried Short's might over-do it like they excessively hop many other beers, but this one is done well. It's a solid could-be-forgettable Oktoberfest that's made memorable by its hop character.

Photo of rhoadsrage
4.23/5  rDev +14.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

(Served in a dimple mug)
A- This beer pours a dense clear walnut brown body with a thick creamy and lumpy head of butter cream that sticks to the glass in rings. There is a quick carbonation pushing to the surface.

S- The toasted biscuit malt aroma is rich with a faint support from darker roasted malts.

T- The cream taste leads to a rich toasted fresh malt flavor that is well lagered and a bit dry. There are hints of biscuit and toasted malt underneath. There is a nice Noble hop presents in the finish, which is clean and dry.

M- The medium-full mouthfeel has a creamy fizz texture to it and no alcohol heat.

O- This beer has a big rich lagered malt flavor with some nice soft depth and a good support but the Noble hops. I could drink a few liters of this.

Photo of TreyIsWilson
3.77/5  rDev +2.2%
look: 4 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

A - Pours a light amber with a thin white head.

S - Roasted malts with slightly sweet caramel. Faint hops in the background.

T - Like the nose with a good hop bitterness that lingers in the finish.

M - Medium body with light carbonation. Crisp finish.

O - Good Marzen, just a little hopper than you would expect. Definetly drinkable.

Photo of biegaman
4.05/5  rDev +9.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

Noble Chaos Oktoberfest is a handsome butterscotch coloured lager. It is about as clear as a beer get's with this kind of deep, coppered tone. Although friendly with the light, it doesn't offer any substantial highlighting. No substantial head either.

The maltiness is toothsome enough to be reminiscent of nougat, rum cake, and sticky toffee pudding but isn't overly sweet in and of itself; rather, it is decidedly grainy and bready. This is bolder than many German examples but still smells like a traditional, time-honored recipe.

The addition of chocolate, roast, and caramel malts to the usual two-row and Munich provides additional depth in the flavour department; traces of cocoa, smoke and toffee dot the finish. It is still distinguished, mind you, by hearty graininess and rich, toasted bread notes.

All that scrumptious malty sweetness doesn't stick around long; the finish is dry as plain toast and becomes alight with spicy Noble hops - lots of 'em! The aftertaste has notes of rooibos tea and flower petals. It is earthy and has a soft but somewhat crude bitterness and flash of spice.

"A Tranquil beverage Exploring the Depths of great Splendor" is probably the worst beer slogan I've ever heard - Short's, I don't think you needed to trademark it, no one else wants it. Still, Noble Chaos is an Oktoberfest that everyone will want. And indeed everyone should buy it.

Photo of barczar
3.49/5  rDev -5.4%
look: 4 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Pours a clear amber with a frothy cream head that slowly dissipates, leaving sheets of lacing.

Aroma is deeply toasted malt, nutty and toffee-like, with an underlying fruity yeast ester character. There's almost an overly toasted smell.

Flavor follows suit, with fruity esters underlying an overly toasted, nutty malt backbone that becomes a bit charred in the finish. There's a bit of mineral character.

Body is moderate to full, with moderate carbonation and modest astringency.

The overly toasted, charred and mineral characters are offputting. They dominate the flavor. Reading the recipe now, roast malt does not belong in an oktoberfest!

Photo of Brenden
3.5/5  rDev -5.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Noble Chaos looks the part of an Oktoberfest, a clear amber color. A wispy off-white head peaks at a little higher than half a finger. Retention isn't bad, and some spotty lacing throws down a bit of legging.
While Noble hops are here, it seems more of an Americanization of the style in its character. That is, while it's got a little bit of a peppery nip to it, and is pretty floral, but in with the caramel from the malts and the breadiness that's not quite in the range of the typical Marzen, there's a bit of extra sweetness and a note of citrus, and there's a certain earthiness that has more soil than must. It also tends toward more of a roasty nature than most.Interestingly, while the trend with the Americanization of classic foreign style involves making it bigger, that's not the case here.
The body is medium but has a certain thinness underneath, though it is crisp and flows pretty smoothly. It doesn't have much dryness, but there is a sort of "tinny" note to the feel.

Photo of SportsandJorts
3.46/5  rDev -6.2%
look: 3.25 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 3.5

appearance: deep orange with some ruby highlights. small tannish head that leaves just a little lacing behind. Not the best clarity.

Smell: roasty malts, almost smokey in character. earthy hops

Taste: opens off with a bit of a earthy hop bitterness. gives way to a malty backbone that comes off toasted to smoked

Mouthfeel: not as clean as i had hoped. some bitterness lingers

Overall: hoppy for an oktoberfest and lacking a bit of cleanness and clarity that i was looking for. Not the biggest fan of the toasted/smoked flavor

Photo of CMUbrew
3.72/5  rDev +0.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Review from Fall 2012

A: Pours clear and medium dark brown in color. Slightly off-white head disappears quickly.

S: Toasted malts, earthy hops, and bitter tea make up the nose.

T: Same profile as the nose, but with a little hint of dark fruit in there. Some alcohol is perceived.

M: About what you would expect from the style. Fairly light and crisp.

O: A good representaion for the style I think, but not overly impressive. Probably wouldn't buy again.

Photo of jeonseh
3.82/5  rDev +3.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Bottle poured into a pint

A - Deep,reddish brown. Very clean looking and slightly reflective. Small white head.

S - Smells of bready and caramel malt with a nice dose ofnoble hops. A classic Marzen nose.

T - Sweet caramel and bready malt. There are hint of dark raisins and plums in the middle. The finish has a slight Noble hops presence that gives it a slight bite to cut through the sweetness

MF - Medium body with light carbonation that goes well with the slight Noble hops presence

O - Solid Marzen from Shorts that a bit more of a dark fruit than you usually find.

Photo of andrewjraab
3.8/5  rDev +3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

A - Dark chestnut brown that is cloudy in appearance. The head impresses at first with a puffy and creamy, but quickly settles. Maintains a nice see through layer throughout the drink. Decent retention. I love the way the head sticks and falls slowly down the glass after you take a pull.

S - Chocolate, roasted malts, vanilla. Not a smack you in the face aroma, but it smells delish.

T - Very unique take on the Oktoberfest - it is malty as it should be, but I appreciate the hop presence. Medium bodied, silky smooth and rich.

O - This almost feels more like a nut brown ale than an Oktoberfest, but overall it hits the mark and thoroughly enjoyed it. Definitely worth a shot to try Short's take on this style.

Photo of superspak
4.1/5  rDev +11.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

12 ounce bottle into pint glass, bottled 8/24/2012. Pours lightly hazy orange copper color with a 1 finger fairly dense light khaki head with good retention, that reduces to a small cap that lingers. Spotty soapy lacing clings down the glass. Aromas of pear, apple, biscuit, caramel, toast, molasses, nuttiness, earth, and herbal spiciness. Very nice aromas with good strength and balance. Spot on to what I expected. Taste of big caramel, toast, biscuit, nuttiness, pear, apple, light chocolate, toffee, molasses, earth, and herbal spiciness. Lingering notes of light fruit, caramel, toast, biscuit, toffee, nuttiness, light chocolate, earth, and herbal spiciness on the finish for a good bit. Nice balance and robustness of flavors; with minimal cloying sweetness on the finish. Medium carbonation and body; with a creamy and fairly slick mouthfeel that is nice. Alcohol is well hidden with only a slight warming after the finish noticed. Overall this is a great Oktoberfest! Nice robust flavors with good balance; very smooth and easy to drink. Highly enjoyable stuff; this was a lot better than I expected.

Photo of Biffster
2.76/5  rDev -25.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

The beer is served in a pint glass. It is a deep copper amber color with golden highlights. It has a low and quickly dissipating off white head, but with some lacing on the glass.

The aroma is rich and malty, with an intense caramelly toffee aroma. There is some low to moderate diacetyl which is a bit off putting. The aroma opens to a chocolatey note, along with dark fruit like cherries and plums. It is fairly clean, without a lot of esters, but some diacetyl, as I mentioned.

It has a moderate to strong caramelly sweetness at the sip, that gives way to a bready toasty note - dark bread crusts and graham cracker. The hop flavor is moderate - maybe six out of ten. There is a touch of sulfur that emerges at the swallow. The hop bitterness is moderate and strong enough to partially cut the rich malty caramelly sweetness. The finish is to malt, but the noble hop flavor and bitterness linger.

The mouthfeel is probably classified as medium full. The carbonation is fluffy and almost creamy - not spritzy, and the body is moderate to full.

This is a basically well made, tasty and substantial beer. Short's doesn't make sloppy beers, although as a lager this has a few rough edges. I like it and will finish it. The problem is, its not an Oktoberfest. Not even close. Too fruity, too much diacetyl, way too much caramel, inappropriately dark and chocolatey, way too toasty (almost roasty) no continental malt notes to speak of, and too hoppy for the style.

I hate to finish on such a harsh note. Except the diacetyl, is a good dark lager and unmistakably American. If they got the diacetyl under control, dried it out a touch, and the called it an "American Oktoberfest" it would be a huge winner.

Photo of StoutHunter
3.92/5  rDev +6.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

I picked up a bottle of Short's Noble Chaos Oktoberfest a couple weeks ago for $1.69 at The Lager Mill. I have never had this beer before, I've been wanting to try it, but for the last couple years I waited too long and they were all sold out, so I made sure to grab a bottle this year, so lets see how it goes. No visible bottling date, but it's fairly fresh. Poured from a brown 12oz bottle into an imperial pint glass.

A- I like the label on this beer, I think it looks good and it's in typical Short's style. It poured a nice amber color that took on a nice ruby hue when held to the light with a finger and a half worth of off white head that died down to a thin ring that stayed till the end and left a little bit of patchy lacing. This is a decent looking beer, but I wish it had just a little more head and lacing.

S- The aroma starts of with a large amount of malts that have a medium amount of sweetness to them and impart a big grain, bread, caramel, and biscuit like aroma followed by a little bit of toffee and roasted aromas. Towards the end I get this unique candy aroma that I have picked up in other Short's beers, it kind of reminds me of marshmallows and there's also some earthy hops that show up a little bit towards the end. This beer had a good aroma, I thought it was pretty complex for an Oktoberfest style beer.

T- The flavor seems to be pretty similar to the aroma and it starts off with a large amount of medium sweet malts that impart bread crust, grain, biscuits, caramel malts, and some nice toasted flavors. After that I get a slight yeast flavor followed by some earthy and slightly grassy hops that make for a pretty light amount of medium bitterness and it had a very grainy, bready and toasted aftertaste. I liked the taste of this beer, it wasn't as hoppy as I was expecting but the heavy amount of malts made this true to style, but it still had the typical shorts malts that make for a unique flavor that is distinctly Short's.

M- Smooth, clean, crisp, on the lighter side of being medium bodied, with a slightly higher amount of medium carbonation that was slightly prickly. The mouthfeel was good, but I wish the carbonation was toned down one notch.

Overall I thought this was a good beer, it wasn't the most true to style but by relying heavily on the malts it didn't seem that out of style and the flavor was pretty unique, not many Oktoberfest's are this toasted and if they are they aren't made in Germany. This beer had good drinkability, it went down pretty smooth and the flavors did a good job at holding my attention, I would drink another one if I had it, a few of these on a cool fall night would be pretty nice. What I liked the most about this beer was the unique malt flavor, there's no mistaking this beer with any other Marzen. What I liked least about this beer was the slightly prickly carbonation, if it was toned down a little it would be pretty good. I would buy this beer again, I went back to the store today and it was all gone so it looks like I will have to wait till next year, but there's not doubt that I will be buying a six pack instead of a single, I highly recommend this to anyone who love malt forward beers. All in all I was pretty happy with this beer, it was good and somewhat true to style while being pretty different which is pretty typical for Short's and something that I don't get tired of. It's hard to believe that this beer fermented all summer long, but the end product turned out pretty good and it was worth the wait, great job Short's, keeping making quality beers and I'll keep enjoying them.

Photo of DrDemento456
3.7/5  rDev +0.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

A - Looks to be a nice dark amber brown with a slightly opaque colored head and excellent lacing. Noted it the nice creamy head and no sediment even though this beer is around 5 months old.

S - Smell of bready munich malts, and slight hops. Touches of caramel, toffee, cocoa, and wheat.

T - A nice rush of sweet malts, bready and full. Then a mild but not overpowering hop presence and finishes with a bready dry wheat flavor that rolls the sweetness across the palate. Not bad.

M - Light to medium in body. Spot on for the ABV.

Overall another Shorts beer I can say was good and very close to tradition versions of the stye, just a touch hoppy and crisp. Man I bet this was one hell of a beer fresh.

Photo of nukem5
3.21/5  rDev -13%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

A: Pours a great caramel color with a great foamy head that has some beautiful lacing on glass.

S: Aroma is a very floral hop and a touch of sweet malts.

T: Taste is a very hopped up IPA not an Oktoberfest? It does have some of the common sweet malts muddled in there.

M: M: Mouthfeel is slightly thin and watery good carbonation level .

O: Overall a good beer just not in my opinion an Oktoberfest style, more of an I.P.A. or D.I.P.A.

Photo of scottfrie
3.53/5  rDev -4.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

12oz bottle into SA perfect pint. Thanks jbck109!

A: Pours a nutty brown with golden highlights beneath a large, dense, dark tan head that slowly faded into a wispy film leaving chunks of rocky lacing down the glass.
S: Lager yeast, cracked grains, and touch of molasses, and German and caramel malts fill my nose.
T: Follows the nose with clean and crisp flavors of lightly sweet malts and earthy Noble hops. The finish bready and lightly bitter.
M: Medium body, clean and crisp mouthfeel with even carbonation.
O: Clean and easy to drink. One of the more normal tasting Short’s beers. Average for the style.

Photo of CharlesDarwin
3.82/5  rDev +3.5%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

On tap at Ashley’s - Ann Arbor, MI - Nov 20, 2007. Aroma is a muddling of grain sugars, earthy spice and nips of Munich. Pours a middle brown, clouded and with tinted head. Flavor is a mostly generic bread malt, with rather gummy hops, a bouquet of light estery fruits, and a earthy chocolate touches. A certain tint of more caramelized or dark Munich malt, which is interesting. Not your typical Munich flavor, this has been messed with (no way...). Finishes dry and clean, with a good tooth of the gummy hops. When i had this, I had no idea what style it was, and I regarded it as a rather generic middle malt beer. So, as a Marzen, that makes sense and it doesn’t do a terrible job, but it could have clarified the malt profile and lager output a little bit.

12oz Bottle - SEP 18, 2010. Thanks, Sean! Ah, relief. Big cheerios and whole grain nose, full of classic O-fest malts. Translucent orange pour with a tan head. Flavors are generally sweet and well-defined, but show above-average hoppiness for the style, which I’m enjoying. Fresh, clean, malty and bright. A nice change of pace from the last two beers. Having had this twice now, I’m starting to see it as a classic Michigan Oktoberfest.

Photo of syrupjoe
3.18/5  rDev -13.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

12oz bottle into pint glass.

Pours a dark amber with a bit of brown. 1 finger off-white head and good consistent lacing.

Nose is grainy (Munich malt really comes out), bready, caramelly, and biscuity. Slight amount of honey.

Taste is malt-forward, roasty, bitter, slightly sour, caramelly, slightly watery. Very reminiscent of a brown or mild ale. Small amount of hop bitterness.

Low carbonation, a small amount of hop resin feel, and moderate dryness.

Overall an okay beer, but doesn't really seem that full-bodied or well-rounded.

Photo of youngleo
3.06/5  rDev -17.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Poured to a nice two fingered offwhite head with some semi big bubbles. Beer itself was a light brown in color. Head hung around a while and left some decent lacing. Smelled slightly sweet and also of malt. I thought it was actually light tasting. The flavors tasted like they were watered down. Just notes of malt and light caramel flavors. Had a slight bitter aftertaste. Felt good in the mouth. Carbonation was about right. I expected more flavor. I might try again next year to see if anything has changed.

Photo of afdempse
3.76/5  rDev +1.9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Copper colored liquid. Nice long-lasting light tan head.

Aroma of caramel, caramel sugary maltiness and slight spice hints as well.

Flavor is sweet malt, caramel, and a marshmallow-candy flavor. Noble hop spice at the end.

Body is slightly creamy, almost lactose-like. Lots of dextrins give the beer some chew. Finishes semi-sweet.

Overall, a nice drinkable Short's brew. A little sweet for my preference, but a fresh take on the style that I enjoyed.

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Short's Noble Chaos Oktoberfest from Short's Brewing Company
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