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Short's Noble Chaos Oktoberfest - Short's Brewing Company

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178 Ratings
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Ratings: 178
Reviews: 69
rAvg: 3.72
pDev: 10.48%
Wants: 6
Gots: 7 | FT: 0
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Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
Märzen / Oktoberfest |  5.50% ABV

Availability: Fall

Notes/Commercial Description:
Our new fall seasonal which is a Northern Michigan version of a German style Marzen or Oktoberfest, done the Short's Brew way. This beer is well balanced with Noble hop additions which provide a subtle bouquet and pleasant flavor which melds well with the malt profile consisting of 2 row, chocolate, special roast, caramel and Munich malts.  It's a brand new addition to the Short's Brew family of beer.
40 I.B.U.'s

(Beer added by: jimbotrost on 09-14-2005)
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Verecund

Texas

2.5/5  rDev -32.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2 | feel: 2 | overall: 2.5

September 25, 2011. As usual, this has a great label.

Pours an almost-opaque, lightly red hued brown with splatchy bubbles sitting still on the top of the surface.

Very nutty and aromatic. Toasted bread and an accompanying sweetness I've experienced in a few Short's beers (Woodmaster comes to mind) that reminds me of tropical fruit Starburst. Weird, but I'll take it.

Anonymous maltiness with a little bit of toasted quality. Lightly nutty. The weird character is due to the hops - sure enough, it's spicy, particularly on the finish, but also a bit earthy and herbal as it blends into the malty backbone. Lingering bitterness.

Just over medium in body, with surprisingly low carbonation. Heavy on the tongue.

I prefer a more traditional Märzen, I think. My uneducated guess is that brewing this in March with a heavy-handed dose of Noble hops leads to the odd, old bitterness one experiences on the finish here. Not my favorite.

Serving type: bottle

09-26-2011 01:46:35 | More by Verecund
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billab914

Virginia

2.63/5  rDev -29.3%
look: 4 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

Poured from a 12oz bottle into my Dogfish shaped pint glass. It poured a very murky, dark caramel color. The head filled the top inch of the glass at first but settled relatively fast. Some nice lacing was left as I drank it.

The aroma has a lot of fruit and citrus to it. Orange, lemon and apple seem come out of a unique sort of tart crispness I get form a lot of Shorts brews. It's not bad or infected, just kind of odd. Some herbal, citrusy hops are the next biggest flavor to it with some sweet malty notes following.

The taste shows some of the same fruity flavors to it right off the bat. Apple and pear seem to come through more, while just some hints of the orange and lemon come through. It has a resiny, herbal hop presence to it as well. Again kind of a pattern of this flavor in several of the Shorts beers I've had. As you get to the finish it gets much sweeter with a lot of malt to it. Strange beer for the style.

The mouthfeel is medium bodied with moderate and slightly sharp carbonation. Drinkability isn't that great, the flavors are just very strange for the style. The sweetness mixed with the tart fruit flavors just didn't work for me.

Serving type: bottle

12-30-2010 00:55:23 | More by billab914
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Biffster

Michigan

2.75/5  rDev -26.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

The beer is served in a pint glass. It is a deep copper amber color with golden highlights. It has a low and quickly dissipating off white head, but with some lacing on the glass.

The aroma is rich and malty, with an intense caramelly toffee aroma. There is some low to moderate diacetyl which is a bit off putting. The aroma opens to a chocolatey note, along with dark fruit like cherries and plums. It is fairly clean, without a lot of esters, but some diacetyl, as I mentioned.

It has a moderate to strong caramelly sweetness at the sip, that gives way to a bready toasty note - dark bread crusts and graham cracker. The hop flavor is moderate - maybe six out of ten. There is a touch of sulfur that emerges at the swallow. The hop bitterness is moderate and strong enough to partially cut the rich malty caramelly sweetness. The finish is to malt, but the noble hop flavor and bitterness linger.

The mouthfeel is probably classified as medium full. The carbonation is fluffy and almost creamy - not spritzy, and the body is moderate to full.

This is a basically well made, tasty and substantial beer. Short's doesn't make sloppy beers, although as a lager this has a few rough edges. I like it and will finish it. The problem is, its not an Oktoberfest. Not even close. Too fruity, too much diacetyl, way too much caramel, inappropriately dark and chocolatey, way too toasty (almost roasty) no continental malt notes to speak of, and too hoppy for the style.

I hate to finish on such a harsh note. Except the diacetyl, is a good dark lager and unmistakably American. If they got the diacetyl under control, dried it out a touch, and the called it an "American Oktoberfest" it would be a huge winner.

Serving type: bottle

10-06-2012 02:12:56 | More by Biffster
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FrankHammer

Michigan

2.75/5  rDev -26.1%

10-02-2013 16:19:25 | More by FrankHammer
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JamnesCameron

Illinois

2.88/5  rDev -22.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3

Poured into a New Holland pint glass.

Pours a deep amber with about a finger of light tan head. The head disappears quickly leaving a whisp of foam.

Aromas of malt and earthy/piney hops.

First sip is of tannins, resiny hop bitterness which seems out of character, and some malt and caramel in the background. A very hop forward oktoberfest. Actually, it tastes nothing like an oktoberfest. The malt backbone is there, but it is overwhelmed by the bitterness.

Mouthfeel is prickly carbonation and a little thin.

Drinkability is okay. Not what I want in an oktoberfest, but good none the less.

Serving type: bottle

10-24-2010 01:58:59 | More by JamnesCameron
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adamdarcy

Michigan

3/5  rDev -19.4%

09-02-2013 00:20:53 | More by adamdarcy
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rolandboy

Michigan

3/5  rDev -19.4%

10-20-2012 03:37:48 | More by rolandboy
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BEERschlitz

Michigan

3/5  rDev -19.4%

10-24-2013 18:17:55 | More by BEERschlitz
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MMBrew

Michigan

3/5  rDev -19.4%

07-14-2013 02:28:44 | More by MMBrew
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Slay40

Michigan

3/5  rDev -19.4%

05-10-2013 18:59:30 | More by Slay40
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CortexBomb

Michigan

3.05/5  rDev -18%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Pour is darkish amber with a modest head on top. Lacing is decent, even very good for the style. Lightly hoppy aroma with hints of caramel malts, not a lot going on though.

Flavour is crisp and malty with caramel being evident...not a lot of depth beyond that though, and a fairly noticeable alcohol edge is present as well. If Short's was trying to do an Oktoberfest with a bit of an alcohol flavoured kick to it they succeeded, I don't find it particularly amazing though.

The mouth on this is also decent but not remarkable. The drinkability score reflects the overall feelings I have toward this beer: it works, but it doesn't do anything particularly well. An unlikely rebuy.

The bottom line: Shorts is to be commended for trying something a bit different with this Amber, but it doesn't hit my sweet spot. Way too much alcohol presence for the actual ABV, and not enough depth.

Serving type: on-tap

02-23-2008 00:56:50 | More by CortexBomb
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Thorpe429

Illinois

3.05/5  rDev -18%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Pours a dark brown into my pilsner glass. Good lacing as it makes its way down. Nose has a toffee, caramel, roasted malt, touches of sweetness, and some Noble hops, but it's all a bit soft and doesn't fit that well. Strange that I normally really enjoy Short's beers, but some of the more "everyday" ones aren't up my alley. The taste is similar to the nose in that the flavors just don't work all that well and the beer isn't very integrated. Mouthfeel is moderate with okay carbonation. Drinkability is lower as there's nothing I truly like about this beer, unfortunately.

Serving type: bottle

09-24-2010 21:22:03 | More by Thorpe429
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youngleo

Michigan

3.05/5  rDev -18%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Poured to a nice two fingered offwhite head with some semi big bubbles. Beer itself was a light brown in color. Head hung around a while and left some decent lacing. Smelled slightly sweet and also of malt. I thought it was actually light tasting. The flavors tasted like they were watered down. Just notes of malt and light caramel flavors. Had a slight bitter aftertaste. Felt good in the mouth. Carbonation was about right. I expected more flavor. I might try again next year to see if anything has changed.

Serving type: bottle

11-05-2011 17:44:21 | More by youngleo
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waltonc

Colorado

3.08/5  rDev -17.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Pours hazy amber with white head. Honestly, this doesn't smell or taste much like an Oktoberfest to me. Must be the noble hops. I understand, after reading how this beer is brewed, that this was the intent. But the reason I like oktoberfests so much is the nice malt bill and low hop factor. So this isn't my kind of beer.

Serving type: bottle

09-25-2011 01:05:46 | More by waltonc
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syrupjoe

Minnesota

3.15/5  rDev -15.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

12oz bottle into pint glass.

Pours a dark amber with a bit of brown. 1 finger off-white head and good consistent lacing.

Nose is grainy (Munich malt really comes out), bready, caramelly, and biscuity. Slight amount of honey.

Taste is malt-forward, roasty, bitter, slightly sour, caramelly, slightly watery. Very reminiscent of a brown or mild ale. Small amount of hop bitterness.

Low carbonation, a small amount of hop resin feel, and moderate dryness.

Overall an okay beer, but doesn't really seem that full-bodied or well-rounded.

Serving type: bottle

11-05-2011 23:40:09 | More by syrupjoe
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nukem5

Pennsylvania

3.2/5  rDev -14%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

A: Pours a great caramel color with a great foamy head that has some beautiful lacing on glass.

S: Aroma is a very floral hop and a touch of sweet malts.

T: Taste is a very hopped up IPA not an Oktoberfest? It does have some of the common sweet malts muddled in there.

M: M: Mouthfeel is slightly thin and watery good carbonation level .

O: Overall a good beer just not in my opinion an Oktoberfest style, more of an I.P.A. or D.I.P.A.

Serving type: bottle

12-14-2011 06:13:24 | More by nukem5
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dfillius

Michigan

3.23/5  rDev -13.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Poured into a pint glass

A: Aggressive pour yields 1 finger tan rocky head with good retention. Cloudy brown liquid is not the best looking due to murkiness - clearer please. Great head.

S: Sweet and sour. Smells like New Glarus Imperial Saison or Old English Porter.

T: Citrus, a tad metallic. Some caramel malt. Chaotic definitely. Not cohesive. Off-flavory. Another (rare) miss from Short's

M: Crisp, astringent, pleasant and unpleasant

D: Would not order another or buy a sixpack. Drank more sips solely to see if it would improve. Unfortunately, it didn't.

Serving type: bottle

10-16-2010 22:00:37 | More by dfillius
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DanGeo

Michigan

3.25/5  rDev -12.6%

05-17-2014 10:57:05 | More by DanGeo
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beergorrilla

Michigan

3.25/5  rDev -12.6%

12-21-2012 15:33:20 | More by beergorrilla
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heebes

Ontario (Canada)

3.25/5  rDev -12.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 2 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Pours a deep orange brown with a finger of yellow tan head. Nose is grass, yeast, bourbon and past it's prime malts. Taste is more malt based, seems like a chaotic blend of the different bases used. Bit of hop bite, caramel and some chocolate. Burnt and roasted notes. Mouthfeel us medium heavy, dry and slightly bitter.
Overall, it's got a Shorts spin allright. Different though not exactly done to style very well. I like the cocoa and coffee notes from the malts but it lacks consistency / multiple return. One and done.

Serving type: bottle

10-08-2011 21:45:03 | More by heebes
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KCM

Wisconsin

3.25/5  rDev -12.6%

04-13-2012 03:37:50 | More by KCM
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crobinso

Colorado

3.25/5  rDev -12.6%

10-20-2012 19:02:03 | More by crobinso
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Supergenious

Michigan

3.25/5  rDev -12.6%

11-22-2011 02:00:57 | More by Supergenious
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Tee2Grn

Michigan

3.25/5  rDev -12.6%

11-25-2012 01:38:31 | More by Tee2Grn
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mactrail

Washington

3.25/5  rDev -12.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

Beautiful coppery amber. Slight roasted barley nose. Starts out with a nice chocolate flavor and some malt sweetness, but gets drier and drier as you sip. Quite sharp in flavor. Light bodied. Some interesting roasted malt flavors but quite bitter. I can taste the Marzen base, but it seems overwhelmed by the excess of hops, noble or otherwise. So call it an Amber Ale, but that doesn't make it any more enjoyable. Appearance is nice with good lacing in the tulip glass.

Serving type: bottle

09-17-2011 04:10:55 | More by mactrail
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Short's Noble Chaos Oktoberfest from Short's Brewing Company
84 out of 100 based on 178 ratings.