Short's Noble Chaos Oktoberfest - Short's Brewing Company

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Reviews: 73
Hads: 220
rAvg: 3.72
pDev: 11.56%
Wants: 6
Gots: 17 | FT: 0
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Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
Märzen / Oktoberfest |  5.50% ABV

Availability: Fall

Notes & Commercial Description:
Beer added by: jimbotrost on 09-14-2005

Our new fall seasonal which is a Northern Michigan version of a German style Marzen or Oktoberfest, done the Short's Brew way. This beer is well balanced with Noble hop additions which provide a subtle bouquet and pleasant flavor which melds well with the malt profile consisting of 2 row, chocolate, special roast, caramel and Munich malts.  It's a brand new addition to the Short's Brew family of beer.
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Photo of Thorpe429
3.06/5  rDev -17.7%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Pours a dark brown into my pilsner glass. Good lacing as it makes its way down. Nose has a toffee, caramel, roasted malt, touches of sweetness, and some Noble hops, but it's all a bit soft and doesn't fit that well. Strange that I normally really enjoy Short's beers, but some of the more "everyday" ones aren't up my alley. The taste is similar to the nose in that the flavors just don't work all that well and the beer isn't very integrated. Mouthfeel is moderate with okay carbonation. Drinkability is lower as there's nothing I truly like about this beer, unfortunately. (574 characters)

Photo of brentk56
3.48/5  rDev -6.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

Appearance: Pours a cloudy amber color with a two fingered head that leaves some shards of lacing behind

Smell: Toasty, with a grassy hop character

Taste: The toast, up front, is quickly joined by the grassy hops and a surprisingly roasty herbacious character that lingers after the swallow and into the aftertaste

Mouthfeel: Medium body with moderate carbonation

Drinkability: Definitely an unusual take on the style and one I don't much care for, sad to say (463 characters)

Photo of mikesgroove
3.65/5  rDev -1.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

so i decided last night to break out 10+, thats right 10+ new shorts beers for a nice sampling with the family. turns out my and my brother in law were the only ones willing to go down this road, so long afternoon for sure. serve cold and consumed on 10/02/2010.

definitley a different take on the style from what i am used to for sure. pours out a light amber color with a nice head of white that caps the top but quickly fades off into a less then ideal lacing.

aroma is not at all what i was expecting as i am picking up a mix here of peppery spice, hints of caramel and vanilla? bready malts and a touch of an earthy, dirty aroma. definitely different. the flavor follows suit quite well with only sparing touches of bready and caramel malts. more of a spiced style with hints of toasted malts and a deep, sweet, odd sort of earthines to it. nice body though with a thin and well carbonate profile.

overall it was very drinkable but just imparted some odd flavors for me. i would do it again now that i know what i am going into in. (1,039 characters)

Photo of mactrail
3.28/5  rDev -11.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

Beautiful coppery amber. Slight roasted barley nose. Starts out with a nice chocolate flavor and some malt sweetness, but gets drier and drier as you sip. Quite sharp in flavor. Light bodied. Some interesting roasted malt flavors but quite bitter. I can taste the Marzen base, but it seems overwhelmed by the excess of hops, noble or otherwise. So call it an Amber Ale, but that doesn't make it any more enjoyable. Appearance is nice with good lacing in the tulip glass. (470 characters)

Photo of superspak
4.1/5  rDev +10.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

12 ounce bottle into pint glass, bottled 8/24/2012. Pours lightly hazy orange copper color with a 1 finger fairly dense light khaki head with good retention, that reduces to a small cap that lingers. Spotty soapy lacing clings down the glass. Aromas of pear, apple, biscuit, caramel, toast, molasses, nuttiness, earth, and herbal spiciness. Very nice aromas with good strength and balance. Spot on to what I expected. Taste of big caramel, toast, biscuit, nuttiness, pear, apple, light chocolate, toffee, molasses, earth, and herbal spiciness. Lingering notes of light fruit, caramel, toast, biscuit, toffee, nuttiness, light chocolate, earth, and herbal spiciness on the finish for a good bit. Nice balance and robustness of flavors; with minimal cloying sweetness on the finish. Medium carbonation and body; with a creamy and fairly slick mouthfeel that is nice. Alcohol is well hidden with only a slight warming after the finish noticed. Overall this is a great Oktoberfest! Nice robust flavors with good balance; very smooth and easy to drink. Highly enjoyable stuff; this was a lot better than I expected. (1,110 characters)

Photo of Huhzubendah
3.7/5  rDev -0.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Thanks Adam!

The beer appears dark orange and hazy, with a quarter inch of off white head. The aroma is very pleasant, with malt, fruit, and sugar candies. Pretty sweet, with a cotton candy flavor. Really creamy feel, with a lasting sweetness on the palate. Marshmallows? Medium thin body with adequate carbonation. Pretty good beer. The sweet nature of this brew limits this to one serving for me. (399 characters)

Photo of Gueuzedude
3.58/5  rDev -3.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

A solid pour into into my 25cl tulip glass produces a three finger thick, pale amber tinged, light tan colored head. The beer is a deep amber color that shows a lightly hazed, dark copper / amber hue when held up to the light. The aroma smells amply of caramelized malt, toasted grain and even some ample, for the color, roast character towards the finish. A touch of lightly spicy and herbal hop notes lie underneath the more dominant malt character and at times gets completely lost within it.

Lightly sweet tasting with a soft herbal hop character up front, but this quickly disappears underneath a soft, but distinctive roasted malt in the finish that tastes a bit like burnt toast, but with out the burnt bitterness. This is very lightly roasty, but it does have quite a bit more roast character than one would guess by the color of this beer. The middle has a caramelized malt character that evokes thoughts of berries, this also is ultimately out muscled by the roast character in the finish, but unlike the hops it never quite disappears. The texture of this beer is nicely appropriate for a beer for the Autumn, it is a touch chewy and has some a character that leaves it lightly clinging viscously to the palate.

What a weird beer; it is interesting and tasty, but the roast character keeps throwing me off for some reason, it doesn't really seem to mesh with the rest of the beer. Still, I am definitely enjoying this beer, it just might have a bit too much roast character. (1,487 characters)

Photo of billab914
2.64/5  rDev -29%
look: 4 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

Poured from a 12oz bottle into my Dogfish shaped pint glass. It poured a very murky, dark caramel color. The head filled the top inch of the glass at first but settled relatively fast. Some nice lacing was left as I drank it.

The aroma has a lot of fruit and citrus to it. Orange, lemon and apple seem come out of a unique sort of tart crispness I get form a lot of Shorts brews. It's not bad or infected, just kind of odd. Some herbal, citrusy hops are the next biggest flavor to it with some sweet malty notes following.

The taste shows some of the same fruity flavors to it right off the bat. Apple and pear seem to come through more, while just some hints of the orange and lemon come through. It has a resiny, herbal hop presence to it as well. Again kind of a pattern of this flavor in several of the Shorts beers I've had. As you get to the finish it gets much sweeter with a lot of malt to it. Strange beer for the style.

The mouthfeel is medium bodied with moderate and slightly sharp carbonation. Drinkability isn't that great, the flavors are just very strange for the style. The sweetness mixed with the tart fruit flavors just didn't work for me. (1,164 characters)

Photo of biegaman
4.05/5  rDev +8.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

Noble Chaos Oktoberfest is a handsome butterscotch coloured lager. It is about as clear as a beer get's with this kind of deep, coppered tone. Although friendly with the light, it doesn't offer any substantial highlighting. No substantial head either.

The maltiness is toothsome enough to be reminiscent of nougat, rum cake, and sticky toffee pudding but isn't overly sweet in and of itself; rather, it is decidedly grainy and bready. This is bolder than many German examples but still smells like a traditional, time-honored recipe.

The addition of chocolate, roast, and caramel malts to the usual two-row and Munich provides additional depth in the flavour department; traces of cocoa, smoke and toffee dot the finish. It is still distinguished, mind you, by hearty graininess and rich, toasted bread notes.

All that scrumptious malty sweetness doesn't stick around long; the finish is dry as plain toast and becomes alight with spicy Noble hops - lots of 'em! The aftertaste has notes of rooibos tea and flower petals. It is earthy and has a soft but somewhat crude bitterness and flash of spice.

"A Tranquil beverage Exploring the Depths of great Splendor" is probably the worst beer slogan I've ever heard - Short's, I don't think you needed to trademark it, no one else wants it. Still, Noble Chaos is an Oktoberfest that everyone will want. And indeed everyone should buy it. (1,398 characters)

Photo of rhoadsrage
4.23/5  rDev +13.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

(Served in a dimple mug)
A- This beer pours a dense clear walnut brown body with a thick creamy and lumpy head of butter cream that sticks to the glass in rings. There is a quick carbonation pushing to the surface.

S- The toasted biscuit malt aroma is rich with a faint support from darker roasted malts.

T- The cream taste leads to a rich toasted fresh malt flavor that is well lagered and a bit dry. There are hints of biscuit and toasted malt underneath. There is a nice Noble hop presents in the finish, which is clean and dry.

M- The medium-full mouthfeel has a creamy fizz texture to it and no alcohol heat.

O- This beer has a big rich lagered malt flavor with some nice soft depth and a good support but the Noble hops. I could drink a few liters of this. (770 characters)

Photo of glid02
4/5  rDev +7.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Bottle shared by Lee - thanks!

Pours a clear chestnut brown color with a one-finger cream-colored head. The head recedes into a thin layer on top leaving decent lacing.

Smells of smooth caramel malts with hints of breadiness. Also present are mild amounts of earthy hops that intensify as the beer warms.

Tastes very similar to how it smells. Mildly dry caramel malt flavors kick things off and are joined quickly by solid bready flavors. Midway through the sip the malt flavors sweeten a bit before they're tempered by small amounts of earthy hop flavors. The hops fade out into a mildly bitter ending.

Mouthfeel is good. It's got a nice thickness with moderate carbonation.

Drinkability is also good. I finished my glass without a problem and could have another.

Overall this was a solid beer for the style that was a bit drier than the best examples. Still, a solid and closer to traditional beer from Short's that's worth a shot. (939 characters)

Photo of DrDemento456
3.7/5  rDev -0.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

A - Looks to be a nice dark amber brown with a slightly opaque colored head and excellent lacing. Noted it the nice creamy head and no sediment even though this beer is around 5 months old.

S - Smell of bready munich malts, and slight hops. Touches of caramel, toffee, cocoa, and wheat.

T - A nice rush of sweet malts, bready and full. Then a mild but not overpowering hop presence and finishes with a bready dry wheat flavor that rolls the sweetness across the palate. Not bad.

M - Light to medium in body. Spot on for the ABV.

Overall another Shorts beer I can say was good and very close to tradition versions of the stye, just a touch hoppy and crisp. Man I bet this was one hell of a beer fresh. (704 characters)

Photo of Brenden
3.5/5  rDev -5.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Noble Chaos looks the part of an Oktoberfest, a clear amber color. A wispy off-white head peaks at a little higher than half a finger. Retention isn't bad, and some spotty lacing throws down a bit of legging.
While Noble hops are here, it seems more of an Americanization of the style in its character. That is, while it's got a little bit of a peppery nip to it, and is pretty floral, but in with the caramel from the malts and the breadiness that's not quite in the range of the typical Marzen, there's a bit of extra sweetness and a note of citrus, and there's a certain earthiness that has more soil than must. It also tends toward more of a roasty nature than most.Interestingly, while the trend with the Americanization of classic foreign style involves making it bigger, that's not the case here.
The body is medium but has a certain thinness underneath, though it is crisp and flows pretty smoothly. It doesn't have much dryness, but there is a sort of "tinny" note to the feel. (986 characters)

Photo of barczar
3.49/5  rDev -6.2%
look: 4 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Pours a clear amber with a frothy cream head that slowly dissipates, leaving sheets of lacing.

Aroma is deeply toasted malt, nutty and toffee-like, with an underlying fruity yeast ester character. There's almost an overly toasted smell.

Flavor follows suit, with fruity esters underlying an overly toasted, nutty malt backbone that becomes a bit charred in the finish. There's a bit of mineral character.

Body is moderate to full, with moderate carbonation and modest astringency.

The overly toasted, charred and mineral characters are offputting. They dominate the flavor. Reading the recipe now, roast malt does not belong in an oktoberfest! (647 characters)

Photo of warnerry
3.73/5  rDev +0.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Notes from fall 2010

Pours a cloudy amber with one finger of head and some decent lacing left behind. Smell is pretty straightforward bready and roasty malts. This is definitely the hoppiest Oktoberfest I've ever had, but underneath it maintains the slightly sweet Marzen style. :Leaves some lingering bitterness on the tongue. Overall pretty good, if not the most traditional take on the style. (396 characters)

Photo of scottfrie
3.53/5  rDev -5.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

12oz bottle into SA perfect pint. Thanks jbck109!

A: Pours a nutty brown with golden highlights beneath a large, dense, dark tan head that slowly faded into a wispy film leaving chunks of rocky lacing down the glass.
S: Lager yeast, cracked grains, and touch of molasses, and German and caramel malts fill my nose.
T: Follows the nose with clean and crisp flavors of lightly sweet malts and earthy Noble hops. The finish bready and lightly bitter.
M: Medium body, clean and crisp mouthfeel with even carbonation.
O: Clean and easy to drink. One of the more normal tasting Short’s beers. Average for the style. (616 characters)

Photo of alexgash
4.2/5  rDev +12.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 5

12 oz. bottle.

Slight haze in a deep copper body. Orange-gold edges. Small finger of sticky, light khaki head. Good lacing. Nose of cookie dough, spicy noble hops, ginger, and caramel. Nice and malty so far!

Toasted malts and a little hop spice up front. Slight graininess gives way to rounded sweetish cookie dough malt and caramel. Peppery, herbal hop bitterness in the background provides a nice contrast to the maltiness. More caramel in the finish with lingering grassy hops. Moderate body with a nice crisp feel. I really like the balance between the hops and the malt in this one (one of the hoppiest Oktoberfests I have had). Another very good Short's bottling! (671 characters)

Photo of StoutHunter
3.92/5  rDev +5.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

I picked up a bottle of Short's Noble Chaos Oktoberfest a couple weeks ago for $1.69 at The Lager Mill. I have never had this beer before, I've been wanting to try it, but for the last couple years I waited too long and they were all sold out, so I made sure to grab a bottle this year, so lets see how it goes. No visible bottling date, but it's fairly fresh. Poured from a brown 12oz bottle into an imperial pint glass.

A- I like the label on this beer, I think it looks good and it's in typical Short's style. It poured a nice amber color that took on a nice ruby hue when held to the light with a finger and a half worth of off white head that died down to a thin ring that stayed till the end and left a little bit of patchy lacing. This is a decent looking beer, but I wish it had just a little more head and lacing.

S- The aroma starts of with a large amount of malts that have a medium amount of sweetness to them and impart a big grain, bread, caramel, and biscuit like aroma followed by a little bit of toffee and roasted aromas. Towards the end I get this unique candy aroma that I have picked up in other Short's beers, it kind of reminds me of marshmallows and there's also some earthy hops that show up a little bit towards the end. This beer had a good aroma, I thought it was pretty complex for an Oktoberfest style beer.

T- The flavor seems to be pretty similar to the aroma and it starts off with a large amount of medium sweet malts that impart bread crust, grain, biscuits, caramel malts, and some nice toasted flavors. After that I get a slight yeast flavor followed by some earthy and slightly grassy hops that make for a pretty light amount of medium bitterness and it had a very grainy, bready and toasted aftertaste. I liked the taste of this beer, it wasn't as hoppy as I was expecting but the heavy amount of malts made this true to style, but it still had the typical shorts malts that make for a unique flavor that is distinctly Short's.

M- Smooth, clean, crisp, on the lighter side of being medium bodied, with a slightly higher amount of medium carbonation that was slightly prickly. The mouthfeel was good, but I wish the carbonation was toned down one notch.

Overall I thought this was a good beer, it wasn't the most true to style but by relying heavily on the malts it didn't seem that out of style and the flavor was pretty unique, not many Oktoberfest's are this toasted and if they are they aren't made in Germany. This beer had good drinkability, it went down pretty smooth and the flavors did a good job at holding my attention, I would drink another one if I had it, a few of these on a cool fall night would be pretty nice. What I liked the most about this beer was the unique malt flavor, there's no mistaking this beer with any other Marzen. What I liked least about this beer was the slightly prickly carbonation, if it was toned down a little it would be pretty good. I would buy this beer again, I went back to the store today and it was all gone so it looks like I will have to wait till next year, but there's not doubt that I will be buying a six pack instead of a single, I highly recommend this to anyone who love malt forward beers. All in all I was pretty happy with this beer, it was good and somewhat true to style while being pretty different which is pretty typical for Short's and something that I don't get tired of. It's hard to believe that this beer fermented all summer long, but the end product turned out pretty good and it was worth the wait, great job Short's, keeping making quality beers and I'll keep enjoying them. (3,592 characters)

Photo of flexabull
3.92/5  rDev +5.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Another Shorts brew courtesy of mikesgroove, thanks again!

Pours a bright amber color with an ok head, some lacing.

Aromas are of caramel malts, brewed tea, roasted nuts, and some tartness as well.

Taste is bready, nutty, and with some creamy toasted malts. Some light caramel, brewed tea, and a dry earthy pine hop note on the finish.

Mouthfeel is decent, a little on the light side though.

Drinkability is good. This is easy to sip, tasty and complex. Another solid Shorts beer. (485 characters)

Photo of Mitchster
3.67/5  rDev -1.3%
look: 2.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

$1.69 for a 12oz single @Jacks. Pours out to a clear deep amber, forming a flimsy light yellow head of small bubbles, despite a vigorous pour. The retention is poor with no lace, and a very mild carbonation. The aroma is a little boozy of rotting black cherries, apple cider, grain husk, and distant herbal hops. The mouthfeel is smooth and soft, with a wet finish and medium-dense mouthfeel. The taste opens up with some amber grains, a nice roasted malt taste, grain husk, herbal hops with a mild green and leafy bitterness, and tobacco and leather in the finish. This is much better than my prior review on tap. There must have been some recipe changes compared to a few years ago. No perceptible off-flavors or aromas.

To my tastes, this is more of an amber ale. It doesn't quite seem like an Oktoberfest. I wonder if it was lagered and fermented with a lager yeast or if it's a knock-off ale with an Oktoberfest name. Hrmm. At any rate, I think it's decent, but I wouldn't be compelled to buy it again just because I'm not terribly fond of Oktoberfests in general. (1,070 characters)

Photo of nrbw23
3.41/5  rDev -8.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

A- Pours a deep dark red if not a brown color. A decent white colored head that forms a foam layer over the top of the brew.

S- Not a whole lot going on here. Some hops are present and also some caramel malts.

T- Read the description and it was a Marzen style. It had a good malt back bone with a touch of an alcohol burn also. Finishes a bit on the bitter side.

M- Medium in body and feels crisp.

D- Not to bad, fairly easy to drink seems like a combination of an IPA and a Marzen. Would drink again. (505 characters)

Photo of WeisGuy
4.02/5  rDev +8.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.5

Fresh 12oz bottle - glad to see Short's has brewed this again

a - pours a rather cloudy medium brown color, two-finger light tan head, light retention and lacing

s - caramel malt with a substantial floral and earthy hop aroma, no alcohol noticeable, very light citrus notes along with some root beer

t - caramel malt and floral hop bitterness mix well creating a very well-balanced beer, light cola flavor, not much alcohol in the finish but there is some citrusy bitterness mixing with the caramel

m - medium-to-light bodied, moderate carbonation, well-balanced finish, light alcohol warming

d - quite drinkable stuff, very well-balanced with more hoppiness than almost any other "Octoberfest" beer I've had, quite easy on the palate yet interesting, I could drink several of these

Nice surprise to find this at the store today, and a fine addition to the Short's lineup. A very nice beer that will be even better when the weather starts to turn. (953 characters)

Photo of hosehead83
3.8/5  rDev +2.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Poured from a 12oz. bottle into a standard pint glass. Amber/brown in color, with a moderate head of foam.
Aroma-Caramel, sweet malt, spiciness, faint citrus.
Taste-Toasted malt, caramel, milk chocolate note, spicy hop bite that provides a nice balance to the sweet malt.
Overall, another interesting brew from Short's. A hoppier, more balanced take on the typical Oktoberfest/Marzen. (384 characters)

Photo of david131
3.91/5  rDev +5.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A- A slightly hazy deep orange liquid with a thin but creamy bone white head that is kept alive with a few streams of carbonation.

S- Flowers, caramel, orange peel, and toasted oats. There is a distinct Short's aroma to it as well.

T- Orange peel dipped in caramel and rolled in toasted grains. Not as bitter as the aroma lead me to believe. Rather unique for the style.

M- There is a rather creamy body to this and a bit of a bite to it and a slightly bitter finish.

D- A uniquely flavored beer that is maybe a bit on the heavier side for the style. Still very enjoyable. (576 characters)

Photo of SpdKilz
4.1/5  rDev +10.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

A big thanks to erikkoppin for this great Short's brew. Cheers!

Appearance - Pours into my Bell's tulip with a dark golden toffee color. About a finger of tan head is achieved with a moderate pour, that dissipates quickly leaving nice looking lacing on the side s of the glass.

Smell - Caramel, bready malts, slight piney hops, smoke/earth, apple, and slight spices.

Taste - The initial taste is a relatively smoky/toasted malt flavor which honestly took me by surprise. I was not expecting this heavy of said flavor up front in this style of beer. This fades to nice toffee, caramel, and bready notes in the middle, and the taste finishes up with a distinct and nice dry hoppy flavor mixed in with an earthiness. Very unique for this style but I am digging it a lot.

Mouthfeel - Medium bodied, oily, prickly carbonation, and again, finishes on a dry note.

Drinkability - If this was in six packs, this would be my new favorite Oktoberfest. I really enjoyed this beer, in a style I don't often enjoy (probably why I did like this so much, heh). Extremely quaffable and enjoyable. (1,084 characters)

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Short's Noble Chaos Oktoberfest from Short's Brewing Company
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