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Madrugada Obscura, Dark Dawn Stout - Jolly Pumpkin Artisan Ales

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924 Ratings
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Ratings: 924
Reviews: 369
rAvg: 3.85
pDev: 16.1%
Wants: 73
Gots: 119 | FT: 8
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Jolly Pumpkin Artisan Ales visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
American Double / Imperial Stout |  8.10% ABV

Availability: Winter

Notes & Commercial Description:
Beer added by: Shovelbum on 02-12-2006

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Ratings: 924 | Reviews: 369
Reviews by Beerdanza:
Photo of Beerdanza
4.41/5  rDev +14.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.75 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Whoa! This is a unique experience. I can't compare it to other beers I've tried. It's almost not beer, but something else entirely. It's sweet, and then sour. Very smokey, and malty. There is some oakey taste, but less than expected. It has low carbonation, and an almost savory aftertaste. The closest thing I can compare it to is very high end balsamic vinegar, the kind you actually sip.

I imagine that some beer lovers will not like this at all, but I love it. It's fascinating. It's a sipping beer. I wouldn't drink it all the time, but I definitely plan to have it again. If you like something different and unusual once in a while, give it a try.

More User Reviews:
Photo of Gryphon69
1.5/5  rDev -61%

A- Black with a dark brown head, spewed everywhere upon opening

S- Sweet fruits

T- Sour, tart watery, lots of carbonation

M- Watery and fizzy

O- Not a stout at all, nothing about it is a stout except maybe the color. It is a dark sour, terrible lableling and garbage for a stout

Photo of thelagerheads
5/5  rDev +29.9%
look: 5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

This is where other beers come to be decimated and pronounced simpleton swills of bulging Amerigo. In fact this is the war of the worlds brew that comes out of the ground and goes GEEE GLEEENNNNK and then starts zapping people and turns them to quivering dust piles. I saw a man carrying a case of Bud Light walking in 95 degree heat as I was driving towards the Jolly Pumpkin headquarters today and I cursed his existence and made inside my brain those exact same GLLLEEEKEKKEKE sounds and he was gone from the face of the planet beer. I pulled in and mooched three samples with this being the last and bought three bottles with this being the first tasted. What you have here is a copper bodice and the queen is being fed chinked off pieces of the Sphinx and grape wine and the blood of three virgins. Her hair is flaming and her mouth is cursed with the comprachico's everpresent and everlasting grin-smirk-smile. You have a porter with God's little magic wand in it making a mushroom cloud of exploding suds that implodes from the center down in a burst of purple froth. You have to harness this head because it whips around and screams and threatens to put your life in the dustbowl if you don't dive right in and be overcome by excellence.

Photo of superspak
4.2/5  rDev +9.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

750 ml bottle into snifter, bottled on 2/13/2013. Pours pitch black color with a 1-2 finger dense tan head with good retention, that reduces to a small cap that lingers. Light spotty soapy lacing clings around the glass, with a moderate amount of streaming carbonation. Aromas of big tart cherry, green apple, lemon, raisin, plum, dark chocolate, cocoa, coffee, dark bread, licorice, light char, hay, straw, grass, oak, musty funk, and yeast/roasted earthiness. Damn nice aromas with good balance and complexity of fruity/funky yeast, dark/roasted malt, and oak barrel notes; with great strength. Taste of tart cherry, green apple, lemon, raisin, plum, dark chocolate, cocoa, coffee, dark bread, licorice, light char, hay, straw, grass, oak, musty funk, and yeast/roasted earthiness. Fair amount of roasted bitterness and light tartness on the finish; with lingering notes of cherry, green apple, lemon, raisin, plum, dark chocolate, cocoa, coffee, light char, dark bread, licorice, hay, grass, oak, funk, and yeast/roasted earthiness on the finish for a while. Fantastic complexity and robustness of fruity/funky yeast, dark/roasted malt, and oak barrel flavors; with a great malt/yeast balance and zero cloying flavors after the finish. Medium carbonation and body; with a smooth, fairly creamy, and lightly acidic/chalky mouthfeel that is nice. Alcohol is well hidden with only a light warming present after the finish. Overall this is an awesome Belgian sour stout. All around great complexity and balance of fruity/funky yeast, dark/roasted malt, and oak barrel flavors; and very smooth to sip on. A highly enjoyable offering.

Photo of MadScientist
4.05/5  rDev +5.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

A gentle pour produces three finger of rocky, dark tan bubble that settle to a thin cap leaving some lacing on the glass. The beer is almost opaque with light just penetrating the thin edge revealing a very deep garnet.

The first thing you smell is moderately sour/acidic and dark malt with some light coffee and cocoa aromas. Some esters of plums come through. After my glass warmed a light goaty and earthy funk from the sour developed.

A big mouth watering, intense sour hits you on the first sip, far more than the nose suggests. The sourness has free range of the show here with just a trace of malt sweetness to balance it. There also some dark malts flavors with a touch of cocoa in the back; it takes a while but roasted and burnt grain flavors come through that remind me a nice dry American stout. The sourness and roasted grain flavors continue into a long dry finish.

This is a medium body with a lively, light carbonation.

Mardugada Obscura is an intensely sour beer with notes of dry stout. It's defiantly not for everyone but I think it's pretty amazing beer.

Photo of orbitalr0x
3.98/5  rDev +3.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Pours a deep black with a two finger head of tan foam that sticks on top. Some lacing as well. Head stays around awhile, looking good. Aromas of chocolate and roastiness. A fruity aroma with some funky sourness and an oak undertone. Slightly spicy and quite interesting!

First sip brings a mild roasty maltiness along with some chocolate and light fruit tones. Flows down with a touch of smokiness. Sour tones come through and they can be quite strong. Earthy yeastiness brings in a spicy aspect. Oak comes through on the finish with some herbal hop bitterness. Sour lingers on after each sip.

This is a light bodied stout here for sure. Easy drinking and quite interesting. Not sure I could drink all that much of it myself, but it's a good bottle to share with friends or family. Another JP brew worth looking out for!

Photo of warnerry
4.03/5  rDev +4.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Blend 2; Bottle 1/5/11

A - Pours deep brown/black with three fingers of brown head. By far the darkest beer I've seen from JP. Head has great retention and leaves quite a bit of lacing.

S - Tart and funky up front, with some green apple and tart cherry. Then the stout elements become apparent, with roasted malt, bitter chocolate and a bit of milk chocolate. Nice.

T - At first it tastes like a lot of other JP beers, with a funky sourness, including some apple. But midway through, the chocolate and roasted malts really identify this as a stout. There is some sourness throughout, but it mostly hits up front. The finish is roasty and somewhat dry like bitter chocolate. I think this works well.

M - Medium mouthfeel that feels lighter initially and a bit heavier on the finish. Finish is several types of dry: a bit earthy/funky, a bit roasty, and a bit bitter.

O - Definitely an interesting brew from Jolly Pumpkin. I think it works well and is pretty tasty, but it doesn't make me eager to have more sour stouts, either.

Photo of Beaver13
3.61/5  rDev -6.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

750 ml bottle. Pours a dark brown with a large fluffy brown head that retains well and laces the glass.

The aroma is grainy lactic chocolate with some spicy hops and a little band-aid.

The flavor is roasted malts with a vinous sour fruitiness. The finish is roasted bitterness. The mouthfeel is medium and creamy.

Overall, it's kind of jarring to have a sour stout. It seems to balance out and blend as it warms and I drink more. I'm not quite sure how much I like it, but it's a fun beer and I'd definitely have it again.

Photo of Mora2000
4/5  rDev +3.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Thanks to AmericanBrew for sharing this bottle.

The beer pours a dark brown color with a khaki head. The aroma is brown sugar, alcohol and dark cherries. The flavor is pretty tart with some sour cherries and a lot of notes from the oak aging. Medium mouthfeel and medium carbonation. A very nice slightly sour stout.

Photo of magictrokini
3.94/5  rDev +2.3%
look: 5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours jet black with a huge, cascading brown head. Rich aroma of burnt coffee, chocolate, bourbon, leather, and sour yeast. Once this warmed, it was very good. Tons of roasted malt, with coffee, chocolate, currants, smoke, and oak. I could have done without the sour yeast. It drowns out whatever hop bittenress they intended. It doesn't ruin the beer (like Avery 15) but it also doesn't make it better. All in all, this is still a very good stout.

Photo of ehammond1
3.56/5  rDev -7.5%
look: 5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Bottle (2011)

Holiday Wine Cellar
Escondido, CA

Dark black and thick appearance. Tall, growing brown head that lasts. Regular, lined lacing down the glass. A gorgeous stout!

The aroma on this beer changes as it warms perhaps more than any other beer I've had. It begins slightly roasty and bready, evolving in to a tart, tangy, biting sour mixed with sweet fruit--like cherries or raspberries.

As with the nose, this beer really changes as it warms. It begins slightly roasty and bready, and at near room temperature, it's a biting sour mixed with some sweet fruit. There isn't a lot of typical-"stout" flavors left over. It's missing a depth, balance, and complexity I was hoping for. Tasty, and certainly unique.

Medium bodied. I was hoping for a more full, luscious mouthfeel.

An interesting and unique sour stout. For my tastes, I would have preferred a touch less of the acidic sour notes because the typical stout flavors got left in the dust, leaving this beer relatively one-note: sour.

Photo of Shovelbum
3.93/5  rDev +2.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

750ml purchased at the brewery from the good Captain.

Pours a billowing head of rich mocha colored foam over an impenetrably black body. The head develops an ice-cream-scoop appearance and eventually flattens out, but never completely disappears. Aromas of tart vinous fruit, espresso and a hint of alcohol. Tart and tangy flavors upfront with a substantial citric-grapefruit bitterness as well. More familiar stout flavors of espresso and chocolate soon make a showing accompanied by a vinous fruit character and notes of oak. As I wind my way down the glass, the flavor extremes become less-pronounced and the beer achieves a nice equilibrium, albeit a tart one. Medium to full bodied, with moderate carbonation. Smooth in the mouth with a moderately drying finish.

This is one off-the-wall stout, but would you expect anything less from the Pumpkin? It claims to be a “Belgian inspired stout” and it is just that. It’s not overly sweet or dry, just a little tart. Some may be put off by the Brett tartness monkeying with their stout, but I find it to take the style in an interesting direction and actually complement the more traditional stout flavors.

Photo of ianjsullivan
3.92/5  rDev +1.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

ST: 750ml poured into a snifter. Blend number ten: bottled 2-16-11. Bottle lists the ABV.

A: Dark and black with a thin brown head.

S: Roasted malt, coffee, earth, sour fruit.

T: Sour fruit, coffee, smoke, earth, and roasted malt.

M: Medium and dry

O: I have not had a beer by Jolly Pumpkin that I did not like; that streak continues. This beer has nice roasted malt, smoke and coffee, but it also has interesting sour fruit which matches the bitterness of slight hops and coffee bean. The beer is a little light though; it could be heavier.

Photo of rhoadsrage
3.83/5  rDev -0.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

(Served in a tulip glass)

A- This beer has a black body with a light tan bubbly head and a strong wall of microbubbles that stick to the side of the glass. The body is pretty opaque and the bubbles can only be seen on the side of the body.

S- The big smell of fresh brewed coffee has notes of dark fruit and a tart note to them. As the beer warms the coffee notes increase but there are dark roasted malt notes in the background.

T- The big taste of coffee has nice flavors of cream with some tart cherries followed by wood that hangs on after the finish. There is some chocolate malt notes and dark roasted notes that come through after it warms.

M- This beer has a medium full mouthfeel with a nice creamy texture. The finish doesn't have any alcohol heat.

D- This beer is a big coffee beer with some tart notes that add nice compliment but there is not enough depth.

Photo of ggaughan
4.2/5  rDev +9.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

This beer poured a dark brown, almost black body with a very thick chocolately looking head, nice and creamy. The nose of the beer was chocolately and rich with an interesting touch of funk. Trademark Jolly Pumpkin. The taste is very interesting. There is a nice solid malty chocolate taste up front that gives way to a sour funk as it finishes. Very interesting for a stout and actually pretty enjoyable.

Photo of biboergosum
3.6/5  rDev -6.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

750ml bottle, batch 998, bottled 02-15-2012. What is with the Hawaiian references on this brewery's labels?

This beer pours a deep, dark cola brown hue, with highlighted edges, and one finger of thinly creamy chocolate milk head, which leaves some Swiss cheese lace around the glass as it duly abates.

It smells of sour, somewhat musty fruit - cherry, lemon, and red grape, some mildly roasted chocolate malt, earthy yeast, and herbal, grassy hops. The taste is moderately sour black liqorice, nutty roasted malt, dry cocoa, mildly astringent wood chips, fruity plum esters, a wee bit o' musty funk, and persistent herbal, leafy hops.

The bubbles are fairly tame, but do sustain a low-level raspy edginess, the body definitely on the light side for the style, and so-so in its smoothness. It finishes off-dry, I suppose, the sourness of the fruit muffling any lingering malt, with the wood taking up the vacated space.

An interesting big-ass stout, to be sure - light, sour, hoppy, and boozy (thought you can't overtly tell on that last one). Not the norm, but enjoyable enough for its melding of styles.

Photo of mdaschaf
3.88/5  rDev +0.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Review from notes. Had on tap at the Henlopen City Oyster House in Rehoboth Beach, DE.

A: Beer was served in a nonic glass and was dark black with some ruby highlights when held up the light. A nice one finger, foamy head, sad on top. Nice retention and left behind some pretty good lacing.

S: A different aroma for an imperial stout, but not unexpected since its a JP beer. An interesting combination of sourness/tart and roasted malt, some cocoa, and a hints of vanilla.

T: Starts off very much like an imperial stout with some heavy roasted malt, coffee and chocolate. This transitions to some tartness with a combination of tho on the finish.

M: Medium to heavy bodied with good carbonation. Drinks quite smooth.

O: Well, its different. It is an interesting take, but I am just not sure I really liked it or if I was fascinated the idea of it. The flavor was good, but did not order a second.

Photo of Spartan13
4.08/5  rDev +6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Poured from 22 oz bomber into tulip glass.

A: Very dark. I was out camping when I had this so it was too dark outside to tell if it was completely black, but it is possible. Very small head that dissipated quickly.

S: I picked up on slight notes of chocolate, java, maybe some oak, and a mixture of light citrus.

T: Wow! This was my first experience with a sour, and it was quite interesting. There's a lot going on in this beer. Too much for me to put my finger on. The first thought I had was the citrus scent translated to a hint of an almost grape-like taste. I think it has to do with the oak barrel aging they use. As it progressed, the chocolate and spices began to come more prevalent.

M: The higher alcohol content seemingly cut down on the heaviness of the beer as it went down. It does leave a lingering taste that coats your entire mouth and back of throat for quite a while. Just enough to keep you thinking between drinks.

O) I'm not that big on stouts yet, but my first experience with a sour was a good one. Highly recommended if you're looking to try something unique.

Photo of Sammy
3.88/5  rDev +0.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A sipper,but a good one. Wild yeast aroma and a tad of sour. A stout, a wild, a sour. Very brown to black coloured body and lacey. The sour, or should I better call it tartness, makes it so drinkable.The sourness does build up, so share this with another sour fan.

Photo of McMatt7
4.5/5  rDev +16.9%

roasted tart, really really good, cherry maybe, grapes n' at, enjoyed a bunch

Photo of NeroFiddled
3.96/5  rDev +2.9%
look: 5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Batch 360/362

Madrugada obscura pours an opaque black body beneath a massive head of brown foam. The head retention is excellent, and it leaves sheets of interesting lacing about the glass.

The aroma is roasty, coffee-like, and darkly chocolatey with a hint of dark-skinned fruit and a short note of sharp tartness.

Everything in the aroma is present, but it's kind of backwards: the sour twang is fuller, and the roastiness is much more subdued. It's also a bit fruity with notes of apple, white grape, black cherry, and fig. Some cocoa and dark caramel sneak in as well. A solid bitterness backs it, and it finishes dry, no doubt in part due to the acidity and the oak aging. Bittersweet chocolate and a roastiness like ash linger in the finish. Surprisingly, the alcohol is very well cloaked, and doesn't appear until halfway through the glass; and even then, only in the finish. As it warms, a delicate spiciness becomes apparent, and it's a welcome addition to the lingering finish. (You should really let this warm for 10 minutes out of the fridge before opening it).

As to drinkability, it's certainly interesting. It's also really well done, and nicely balanced and rounded. I'm not sure it has a "quantity" appeal to it, but it's very enjoyable.

Photo of WoodBrew
3.48/5  rDev -9.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Trying a bottle my Bro in law has...bottled on 1/5/2011 "Blend 2". The beer poors a jet black with no light escaping. Rich, long lasting, khaki colored head. Average to below average lace. Medium-low carbonation, soft mouth feel with a bit of life. Big body. Sour cherry aroma predominates with subtle roasted coffee elements. Sour start, bitter finish. The bitterness is almost medicinal. Some of the alcohol is noticeable at the finish. Enough sweetness to keep the sour and bitter elements from overwhelming. Subtle banana flavor in the middle. Props for its uniqueness, but I would have liked a bit more molasses flavor.

Photo of cjgator3
4.08/5  rDev +6%
look: 5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Batch 266. 750ml bottle. Pours a dark black color with a creamy tan head that possesses incredible retention and lacing. The aroma is very dark and roasty with just a hint of sour funkiness and yeast. I am also picking up some oak in the aroma as well. After the enticing aroma, my mouth is watering in anticipation. The taste is a nice dark and roasty stout with a good amount of bitterness, that is joined with that unique Jolly Pumpkin funkiness. Damn, there is a lot of roastiness and bitter coffee flavors in the finish. Overall, this is a really unique offering that I enjoyed. I wouldn't want to drink this every night, but it is something different that I can appreciate for it's uniqueness. Recommended.

Photo of tempest
4.15/5  rDev +7.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Shared with a couple friends, served in a red wine glass.

At first sniff, I wasn't as fan. The chocolate malts, mixed with the sour element, kind of smelled like sour chocolate milk. However, as it warmed, the two elements separated to create a please tangy cocoa smell with hint of oak barrel vanilla. The flavor follows suit with a sour tang mixed with dark chocolate and a hint of coffee that relax into a balanced, bitter aftertaste.

I'd call this an American Wild ale, as I think the wild elements define this beer much more than the dark malts - I'd also call this delicious. Give it a try.

Photo of nickd717
3.88/5  rDev +0.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Bottle shared by mfielden - thanks, Mark!

A - Black in color with nice creamy head that settles to a film, with a little lacing.

S - Aroma is tart and somewhat lactic with roast, caramel, and some hops.

T - Flavor is roasty and tart (seems lactic) with chocolate and some hops. Pretty good and interesting overall.

M - Nice sharp but smooth palate with medium body and no booziness to speak of.

D - Good. The tartness doesn't really ever overwhelm, nor does the base stout.

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Madrugada Obscura, Dark Dawn Stout from Jolly Pumpkin Artisan Ales
87 out of 100 based on 924 ratings.