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Madrugada Obscura, Dark Dawn Stout - Jolly Pumpkin Artisan Ales

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Ratings: 807
Reviews: 349
rAvg: 3.86
pDev: 16.06%
Wants: 63
Gots: 97 | FT: 9
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Jolly Pumpkin Artisan Ales visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
American Double / Imperial Stout |  8.10% ABV

Availability: Winter

Notes/Commercial Description:
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(Beer added by: Shovelbum on 02-12-2006)
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Photo of BumpkinBrewer


3.55/5  rDev -8%

A - Pours jet black with a huge foamy head. You can tell the bugs are still working their magic.

S - Roasty, slightly sour/funky smell with a little coffee and chocolate lingering in the nose.

T - Much like the smell. The funkiness is prevalent up front but if you let it linger on the palette a few, the chocolate and coffee notes start to shine through.

M - Very dry, light on the palette, the sourness leaves a bit of a tang on the tongue.

O - Not a huge fan of the funk, it's just not my thing. But this brew was still tasty and may open my palette to styles the like.

08-26-2011 00:59:46 | More by BumpkinBrewer
Photo of babaracas


3.5/5  rDev -9.3%

Pours an opaque dark brown with lots of tan foam. Smell: a big blast of barnyard funk upfront, vinous, leather, then dark chocolate with hazlenut and a coffee note. Less funk would have been appreciated because there's a nice stout down in there somewhere. Taste: vinous, moderately tart, probably from the aroma I'm tasting a little "leather." Second wave is powdery chocolate, mild roast, earthy, some tart plum. High carbonation as you'd expect, but then it thins out (good for the wild / bad for the stout; average for the combo). Interesting wild ale / semi-impy stout hybrid, but the balance between styles is a bit skewed in the wrong direction for me. "Batch 359/363."

08-24-2011 04:42:30 | More by babaracas
Photo of Vengeance526


3.68/5  rDev -4.7%

Pours a dark black color with a large brown head that has decent retention and leaves plenty of lacing.

Interesting aroma of roasted malt and chocolate mixed with hints of sour cherries, licorice and figs.

First sip is immediately sour, followed by a lighter note of chocolate and a touch of smoke. The sour cherry flavor comes back towards the end and lasts into the finish.

Medium body with medium to high carbonation. Certainly interesting to try but this isn't something I would probably want to have again any time soon. When I feel like grabbing JP, this one just doesn't strike me as much as some of their other options.

08-23-2011 20:37:33 | More by Vengeance526
Photo of womencantsail


3.78/5  rDev -2.1%

On-tap at Beachwood Brewing

A: The beer pours a very dark brown color with a rather tall off-white head.

S: As with any Jolly Pumpkin beers, this one is quite sour and lactic. There's a nice earthy funk along with sour cherries and lemon zest. A fair amount of grass and straw as well as some light oak.

T: The flavor is pretty heavy on the wood and earth notes; much more so than the nose. A bit of dark chocolate, black pepper, lemon zest, and mild fruits. The tartness and lactic character is not as pronounced on the palate.

M: Medium bodied with medium to high carbonation.

O: There was a slight booziness that came through as I drank a bit more of this. It was still good, but not the best Jolly Pumpkin has to offer.

08-14-2011 19:36:17 | More by womencantsail
Photo of Thads324


3/5  rDev -22.3%

blend 11, 2-17-2011
A : pours a lovely velvety black with no way to see through. A really big tan head that is thick and sticky. lacing everywhere throughout the entire glass.

S : smells a bit like freshly brewed espresso. Lots of hottness with this one. Boozy boozy. a bit of leather in the tail end like a new leather belt. A little bit of a berry scent, like dried raspberries sort of.

T : starts sweet and a bit hot but not much. The beginning is sweet and berry-like, although I can't put my finger on what type of berry. Followed up by a bit of roasted malt, a hint of chocolate and coffee. There is a hop bitterness that is subdued heavily, but it is there, lingering in the back part of the middle of the profile. Finishes with more of the sweet and odd berry flavor.

M : watery and not as full bodied as a big stout should be. Drinkability is good however.

A very weird beer indeed. It says it is belgian influenced, but I can't explain the weird berry-like flavor. Otherwise the light body isn't bad, but this beer should be more flavorful. I get no oak, and as the beer warms I'm beginning to think that the old "oak junk" is giving it that berry-like flavor that you don't want. could do without all this mess...

08-12-2011 03:43:17 | More by Thads324
Photo of harrymel


2.33/5  rDev -39.6%

Blend 2: Bottled 05JAN11

A: pours a black stout with a little over one finger of caramel head, this falls to a moderate sheet of the same. Some spotty lacing. Pretty good looker.

S: Whew! Oak wins the nose here. Plenty of oak if I forgot to mention. Some chocolate notes, some licorice. Some woody alcohol.

T: Some tartness up front. Some sweet cherry notes. Really not tasting like a stout at this point. Some toasted malts, and some roasty coffee. Pretty simple, and tart. Just a little more funky than I would like.

M: A bit thin with moderate carb. Uber dry on the finish.

O: the more I drink this, the more I wish I would have had this six months ago. This has too much tartness for my preferences in a stout. Reminds me of the early signs of Abyss '09. No thanks.

08-10-2011 15:56:11 | More by harrymel
Photo of ehammond1

3.53/5  rDev -8.5%

Bottle (2011)

Holiday Wine Cellar
Escondido, CA

Dark black and thick appearance. Tall, growing brown head that lasts. Regular, lined lacing down the glass. A gorgeous stout!

The aroma on this beer changes as it warms perhaps more than any other beer I've had. It begins slightly roasty and bready, evolving in to a tart, tangy, biting sour mixed with sweet fruit--like cherries or raspberries.

As with the nose, this beer really changes as it warms. It begins slightly roasty and bready, and at near room temperature, it's a biting sour mixed with some sweet fruit. There isn't a lot of typical-"stout" flavors left over. It's missing a depth, balance, and complexity I was hoping for. Tasty, and certainly unique.

Medium bodied. I was hoping for a more full, luscious mouthfeel.

An interesting and unique sour stout. For my tastes, I would have preferred a touch less of the acidic sour notes because the typical stout flavors got left in the dust, leaving this beer relatively one-note: sour.

08-04-2011 15:30:19 | More by ehammond1
Photo of Knapp85


4.33/5  rDev +12.2%

Damn, this beer poured out as a beer black color, there was a fizzy head that vanished rather quickly. The smell has no hints of sour at all. All roasted and burnt malt wooden aromas. The taste is sour as hell in my opinion, it gets more sour as it warms. The beer also gives off plenty of smokey qualities along with burnt or toasted malts. It has a touch of chocolate in there too. A stunning brew for sure. The mouthfeel was smooth and lightly carbonated. Overall it was a really great pairing with the spicy French toast, chocolate dipping sause and coffee cotton candy.

07-28-2011 02:01:41 | More by Knapp85
Photo of avaldivia


3.95/5  rDev +2.3%

Poured from bottle into a tulip glass.

A: Nice black color that when you held it up to the light, had really nice, faint, reddish, brown hue. Nice head and good lacing.

S: Very tart smell with a smokey, malt tinge on the end. Smelled of, cherries, and dark fruits.

T: Not as sour as I was expecting. Good tart bite in the beginning which then gives way to a dark malty coffee finish. became a bit more tart as it warmed.

M: Kind of light for a stout though, granted, this is not your everyday stout.

O: Glad i tried this one. Interesting and I never thought I would try a sour stout. I don't know if I would pick this up again because it was on the pricey side, but I glad I did once.

07-27-2011 15:11:58 | More by avaldivia
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District of Columbia

3.95/5  rDev +2.3%

The beer is dark brown, nearing black, with a half inch of tan head that hangs out for a considerable period, leaving some random lacing in its wake.

The aroma brings roast, dark fruits, and funky yeast. Right away, it's apparent that this is not your average stout.

The funk asserts itself much more fervently in the flavor than in the olfactory senses. Dark fruits and funk, followed by roast, and a hint of slightly charred chocolate squares.

The body is fairly thin, with moderately low carbonation. Smooth on the palate, with a lingering funkiness in the finish.

Overall, a truly interesting beer from Jolly Pumpkin. I would have this again.

07-23-2011 02:00:06 | More by Huhzubendah
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3.95/5  rDev +2.3%

Thank you Matt!

A- Pours a black color w/ a two finger chocolate head. Nice lacing on the glass. This beer is truly a black hole- no light to be seen through the brew. Nice looking stout.

S- Coffee, malt, funkiness, some muted fruit as well. Nice smelling beer, wish it was a little stronger, but temperature may take care of that.

T- Interesting. Basically a big stout w/ chocolate malt, coffee, and mild fruit in it. In addition, there's an equal amount of funkiness that takes over after the first taste. I like it, although it's probably not for everybody.

M- Smooth w/ carbonation and a dry feel. Probably the weak point of this beer. A little on the thin side feel-wise for me. Would like a little more heft in the mouthfeel. Still, not bad.

O- Very interesting beer from Jolly Pumpkin. I really enjoyed this one, but it's not for everyone. If you don't like funk in your beer, you might want to stay away. Otherwise, pick it up- it's definitely worth checking out if you haven't tried it.

07-22-2011 23:11:29 | More by jayhawk73
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2.3/5  rDev -40.4%

Nice pour, with a solid black body, and a nice mocha finger of head.

Very tart aroma, basically acidic and sour. As it warms some more, there is some roast notes and chocolate, but even still, it's hard to cut the sour.

Taste is sour, sour, sour. There's some roast and chocolate, but it's fainter than in the aroma, and never stood a chance against the tart/sour qualities.

Feel was less than stellar, with a medium feel and a good dose of carbonation.

This just didn't do it for me. I can get behind the idea of a sour stout, but for me, there has to be a balance...and there was so little balance that it just seemed pointless to be a stout in the first place. Another gripe is completely omitting the fact that this is a sour stout from the labeling. I know JP largely deals in sours, but not every beer they make is a sour, so how's about throwing a little warning out there?

07-17-2011 17:09:00 | More by EgadBananas
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3.93/5  rDev +1.8%

I love stouts and I love sours never knew I could have them in the same beer. The color was very black. The smell was kind of musty to me. A superb sour cherry taste with a bitter finish. Very light mouthfeel. I would make the trip for more of this beer.

07-12-2011 18:41:50 | More by Danyel123
Photo of LittleDon


3.7/5  rDev -4.1%

Jet black with no light escaping. Rich, long lasting, khaki colored head. Average to below average lace. Medium-low carbonation, soft mouth feel with a bit of life. Big body. Sour cherry aroma predominates with subtle roasted coffee elements. Sour start, bitter finish. The bitterness is almost medicinal. Some of the alcohol is noticeable at the finish. Enough sweetness to keep the sour and bitter elements from overwhelming. Subtle banana flavor in the middle. Props for its uniqueness, but I would have liked a bit more molasses flavor.

07-05-2011 20:35:15 | More by LittleDon
Photo of machostacos


4.18/5  rDev +8.3%

Poured from 750ml bottle into a tulip. Sticker on the bottle reads "Batch 2, 2010." This is my first Jolly Pumpkin beer - I'm excited.

A: Pours an inky black with a towering latte-colored head. More head than would be typical for an imperial stout, but not at all surprising considering that this is a sour stout.

S: Very tart Brett character up front with a lot of plum and other stone fruits lingering in the back. Every now and then a delicious, rich stout roastiness of coffee and chocolate pokes through. I'd like a little more of that stout character on the nose.

T: So unique. It's as if you poured a bit of Bell's Expedition Stout or Old Rasputin into a Duchesse de Bourgogne and La Folie blend. It's more mellow like the Duchesse but has a bit more tartness like a La Folie. Just delicious, and a treat for my tastebuds. My only complaint is that the stout is just a little too hidden. If it were more of a 50/50 balance, this would be off the charts.

M: A bit thin for an imperial stout, and very carbonated. It takes on an almost mousse-like consistency in your mouth instead of that thick, syrupy goodness that I love in my big imperial stouts. The tartness of this makes up for it a little simply for the "wow" factor.

O: What an interesting twist on one of my favorite styles (and a quick up-and-comer in the sour category.) Sours are quickly becoming some of my favorites, and when blended with a rich imperial stout, well...it's just fantastic. Bravo, Jolly Pumpkin - you've got a new fan.

This paired with some freshly homemade blueberry pie is incredible :)

07-05-2011 03:12:24 | More by machostacos
Photo of rwmiscik

New Jersey

3.85/5  rDev -0.3%

Picked this up last night and split it with a friend. We drank out of snifters and the beer poured very black obviously with very little head. Had notes of chocolate, slight roast, with a hint of coffee. Not very sour but it was a little tart and very clean.

07-02-2011 15:22:38 | More by rwmiscik
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4.45/5  rDev +15.3%

A - Pours with two and a half fingers of medium-brown foam on top of an opaque, black body. The rocky head settles slowly and leaves very nice, thick lace.

S - A deeply funky aroma of oak and balsamic vinegar. Some caramel and just a hint of roasted malt in the background.

T - Black cherries and cola notes up front with a little bit of caramel and tartness. Some roast character begins to show itself in the middle as a bit of nutty coffee and char comes out. The dark cherry character and balsamic vinegar both show back up in the finish along with some caramel and a bit of licorice.

M - Medium-thick body, moderate carbonation, and a kind of sweet and sour finish.

D - This is quite an unusual beer and, really a pretty special one as well. The aroma is very reminiscent of a Flemish red with only a hint of the darker malt characteristics that will show up in flavor profile. The malt character turns dark when the beer hits the tongue with lots of caramel and even molasses as well as a bit of licorice that goes quite well with the acid and funky yeast character. Dark sour beer is a really odd combination, but in this case it works really well.

07-01-2011 06:51:35 | More by nickfl
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3.5/5  rDev -9.3%

Jolly Pumpkin Madrugada Obscura
Batch 266
A - Pours a pitch black with 3/4 of the glass full of dark tan foam, it just keeps rising out of the bottle and I had to empty it into 3 glasses
S - Aroma is licorice, roasted malts, molasses, chocolate, very syrupy smelling
T - Very carbonated is the first reaction, it almost makes it very hard to taste. A little bit of funk, some roasted malts, chocolate and toffee, maybe molasses as well. Its not bad but its a bit too carbonated to enjoy.
M - medium body with very airy carbonation, not sure if this is infected judging by the ever expanding foam out of the bottle or if this is how its supposed to be.
D - I don't know if i'll finish the bottle


07-01-2011 03:33:31 | More by mikereaser
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3.98/5  rDev +3.1%

Appearance - Very dark brown, almost black, with a tan head. The head porus thick and tall, but quickly recedes to a thin, persistent, bubbly froth that leaves spotty lacing. It really looks more like a Belgian Quadrupel than a stout.

Smell - Dark, well-integrated roasted malt aromas of chocolate, toasty bread, and coffee mixed with ripe stone fruit and characteristic Jolly Pumpkin aromas of green apple, sour cherry, horsy funk, and oak.

Mouthfeel - Very well carbonated, almost tingly in the mouth. Medium bodied and somewhat grainy. Not what you would expect from a Stout, but pretty close to what you might expect from a Belgian abbey beer.

Taste - Subtle roasted malt character and refined sourness with a touch of oak, ripe plum, and a clean, minerally bitter finish.

This beer is called a stout, but it really isn't. Nor does it fit any Belgian sour style. This is a totally unique creation and I have not really tasted anything like it before.

06-28-2011 22:59:35 | More by
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2.9/5  rDev -24.9%

Poured from a bottle into a tulip. Holy carbonation, Batman!

A: Pours a jet black with a serious cappuccino colored head. I'm talking four fingers here. And it lingers. There's NO light getting through the beer though. I like seeing that.

S: I get a sourness in the nose. Dark malts here too. Wow. That wasn't really what I was expecting.

T: Is this a stout or a sour? Sour fruit absolutely dominates here. Some oak on the back end from the aging. That's all I'm getting. Maybe my taste buds are in shock.

M: This doesn't feel like any stout I've ever had before. It's heavily carbonated. There might be a little bit of the oil feel, but not much at all. Just carbonation and a little tingly sensation from the sourness.

O: I don't know how to review this. I've never had a stout like this. I think the beer is...well, it's ok, but I certainly wasn't expecting a sour beer.

06-25-2011 00:13:23 | More by CWBlues
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4.2/5  rDev +8.8%

Pours a very strong head. Color is stark black. Smell has what I would expect with a beer this dark; however, at the same time it has the characteristic Jolly Pumpkin sour. Should be interesting!

First sip is a bit of a mix. It's one of the better stouts that I've tasted, even before the fact that it was brewed with wild yeasts, which really does put the icing on the cake.

You really should try this.

06-18-2011 01:39:30 | More by techfed87
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4.68/5  rDev +21.2%

A - Dark brew with just a hint of amber and really nice small and soft looking bubbles more typical of many belgian-style brews and very appealing to the eye. Not thick or syrupy.

S - Interesting mixture of dark malts and bright tangy and fruity sourness come through on the nose. Very distinct from other stouts and not as heavy.

T - Absolutely distinct and memorable flavor. Incredibly well balanced with some light flavors of roasted chocolate malt combined with a rich, but subtle sour and savory component, with even a hint of the creaminess and funk of a good blue cheese.

M - Carbonation is evenly but softly present throughout, the beer is not heavy but balanced between a bright upfront presence and a soft creamy swallow. The sourness lingers delicately on the palatte afterwards.

Overall - Brewing a sour stout like this is gutsy and its execution is outstanding. I remember this beer's flavor amidst a litany of great stouts and look forward to its release every late winter/early spring from Jolly Pumpkin. Great on tap, too. This, to me, is one of Ron Jeffries' best efforts.

I think a number of the folks rating this beer lower seem newer to or surprised by the style of sour beers and Jolly Pumpkin in general and since sours take some getting used to, not everyone is prepared. Having lived in Ann Arbor and tasted some 20 different beers from JP, including some aged up to 7 yrs, I come back to this one whenever it's released as among my favorites.

06-15-2011 06:08:16 | More by mrbeermug
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3.68/5  rDev -4.7%

Poured into a tulip glass from a 750ml bottle.
Bottled: 03-4-2011

A - Pours a nice dark brown with some slight black hints. There is a nice tan head that forms and has some nice dense bubbles with some bigger medium sized ones. Recedes at a medium pace down to a thin film.

S - Slight woody notes and some mild tartness starts off followed by some nice bitter chocolaty notes and some toasty fresh baked bread. There is some oat notes as well as some nice slight roasty malt notes.

T & M - A bit on the lighter side. Starts off with some woody notes as well as some mild tartness. Some traditional JP funk is present as well as some slight roast. It is a bit more watered down than expected. The slight sour notes are interesting and don't really take away from the beer but I've never had a sour stout. Its pretty interesting but not my favorite.

O - Its interesting and has some complex flavors but the sour notes through me off. Not too delicious.

06-10-2011 00:01:33 | More by JoEBoBpr
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4.33/5  rDev +12.2%

I've been really stoked to try this beer. Basically because I'm used to the JP funk and tartness...and very curious how this would work with a stout. I am very pleased. Pours pitch black with a light brown head that looks just like a delicious, thick, IRS should. Then it gets weird... Scent is sour grapes with hints of chocolate and some funk. I LOVE these JP beers...they're so unique! Taste is initially tart citrus combined with dark chocolate. Then i get some bittering hops, followed by roasted cocoa. This flavor is hard to completely put in words, but it's amazing. Mouthfeel is medium bodied with tart, dark, roasted, deliciousness. Drinkability is very high. Overall, this beer is AMAZING! I could drink this every night!

06-07-2011 06:27:15 | More by DovaliHops
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4.35/5  rDev +12.7%

Poured into A sniffer and have immediate hints of expresso like foam forming a nice head. Moderatly heavy lacing and a stream of web coating the rim. Intense aromas of coffee and sour grapes. Bitter sweet chocolate and expresso followed by a sour tart grape finish. As it warms the coffee/toffee flavors become more prevalent. Finished this with a smile and was pleasantly surPrized by it's finish.

05-26-2011 18:37:39 | More by jmfc8237
Madrugada Obscura, Dark Dawn Stout from Jolly Pumpkin Artisan Ales
87 out of 100 based on 807 ratings.