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Madrugada Obscura, Dark Dawn Stout - Jolly Pumpkin Artisan Ales

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Ratings: 830
Reviews: 350
rAvg: 3.86
pDev: 16.06%
Wants: 66
Gots: 99 | FT: 9
Brewed by:
Jolly Pumpkin Artisan Ales visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
American Double / Imperial Stout |  8.10% ABV

Availability: Winter

Notes/Commercial Description:
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(Beer added by: Shovelbum on 02-12-2006)
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Photo of russpowell
3.73/5  rDev -3.4%
look: 5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Pours an effervescent mahogany/black with 4 fingers of mocha colored head. Insane lacing & head retention was damn good as well

S: Musty & sour with hints of oak & chocolate.

T: Sour & oaky up front. Slight iron & bakers chocolate as this warms up. Chocolate asserts a little more along with warmth, as this gets closer to room temp. Finishes really bone dry with acidic notes, cherry sourness & a hint of coffee & bitter chocolate

MF: Rich & sparkly at the same time, hmmm

Drinks okay for the abv, have to ding this a little taste-wise because I'm not looking puckery sourness in my American Stouts. If they called this a belgian dark/sour I'd give it more, maybe a fullpoint taste wise. I think they were too artisinal with this one, give me a big malt profile in my stout! Only my second Jolly Pumkin beer, niether have really impressed me. Paired well with triple choclate ice cream though.

P.S. Loved the label, very evocative of the mood I think the brewery tried to set with this beer!

russpowell, Jun 13, 2007
Photo of goochpunch
3.93/5  rDev +1.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Pours out an opaque jet black with a cafe au lait head that stays as thick as a finger is wide. Nose is chocolate, espresso, toffee, vanilla, acidic funk, and with some unspecific berry tones. Taste begins with roasted characteristics while the funk creeps in, bringing in sour cherry and raspberry flavors and tartness, along with cider notes. The chocolatey flavors lay beneath the wildness until the drying and astringently tannic finish and the aftertaste. Mouthfeel is kind of light and prickly. Overall, this is a very interesting beer, but a large bottle of this seems a bit much.

goochpunch, Jun 09, 2007
Photo of barleywinebrewer
4.38/5  rDev +13.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

thanks to aprilluvsbeer for this via trade!

A - Pours a rich black color with a billowy last the whole glass dark tan head.
S - Huge sweet malts - think breakfast stout, sour cherries and a nice espresso coffee.
T - What an odd stout. The classic stout flavors - espresso, bakers chocolate, rich malts interspersed with sour cherries and tart brett funk. Each sip is an adventure!
M - Medium bodied, smooth carbonation and sharp
D - Having adventured through some of the JP lineup I was in the right frame of mind for this brew. It's a highly engaging slow drinking beer.

barleywinebrewer, Jun 05, 2007
Photo of crwills
3.63/5  rDev -6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Tasting at biegaman's place with grub, viggo, lexx, blankboy (RB), and tupalev (RB). I didn't write down who brought what, unfortunately, so thanks everyone!

This was one wacky stout, and at the time I wasn't sure what to make of it. The more I think about it, the more I think I need to give it another go -- the scores I wrote down don't seem to do it justice... anyway, poured black with very few highlights into the sample glass -- great colour, actually. Malty, caramely stout aroma with some unique funky notes that carry into the flavour. Flavour is spicy chocolate -- reminds me of Mexican mole or something. Funky notes remain. The body is a little light for a stout. Still not sure if I'm a fan of this or not -- definitely would try it again, though.

crwills, Jun 03, 2007
Photo of ggaughan
4.22/5  rDev +9.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

This beer poured a dark brown, almost black body with a very thick chocolately looking head, nice and creamy. The nose of the beer was chocolately and rich with an interesting touch of funk. Trademark Jolly Pumpkin. The taste is very interesting. There is a nice solid malty chocolate taste up front that gives way to a sour funk as it finishes. Very interesting for a stout and actually pretty enjoyable.

ggaughan, Jun 02, 2007
Photo of grub
4.43/5  rDev +14.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

group tasting may 26/07 with biegaman, Viggo, Lexx, crwills, blankboy@RB, tupalev@RB, and me (grub). everybody threw something into the mix and we had a great lineup of beer. Viggo contributed this one, so thanks eric!

750ml bottle.

pours nearly opaque black with a bit of ruby at the edges. a big dense tan head rises up, falling quickly and leaving behind lots of lace.

aroma is great. light roast. dark chocolate. bit of malt vinegar lurking in there. bit of alcohol. bread and biscuit malts.

taste is great. this one is definitely a stout, but also definitely from jolly pumpkin. roasty. bit of bittersweet chocolate. coffee. medium bitterness level. bit of malt vinegar, but quite mellow. bready malt. light alcohol.

mouthfeel is good. medium carbonation level with a fairly big body.

drinkability is great. really interesting and enjoyable. well balanced. different, but good. i was really impressed by how well the "wild" jolly pumpkin character is balanced against the stout. it seemed to be just the right amount of each, something that i'm sure is tricky. i think this is one that comes down to personal preference too, since there were several different opinions among the tasters. definitely worth a try.

grub, May 27, 2007
Photo of GbVDave
4.03/5  rDev +4.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Poured from a 750ml bottle into two St. Bernardus chalises. Thanks to HeatherAnn for the assist!

A: Dark-black with a beautiful cocoa-colored head. Whispy strands of lace that coat a good portion of the glass.

S: Interesting combination of tart cherry and roasted malt, that lends a Flanders red, or lambic tang to the nose.

T: Tart fruit, sour cherry, brown sugar, dark roast coffee, bitter chocolate, and burnt malt. Very interesting combination of sour and roasted.

M: Thin and tart. Looong tangy finish.

T: The prospect of a tart or sour stout really didn't excite me but I was completely surprised by how drinkable and refreshing this beer was. I'm always impressed by the beer that Jolly Pumpkin puts out. This was no exception!

GbVDave, May 27, 2007
Photo of jwff
3.83/5  rDev -0.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Pitch black with slight ruby edges and a nice tan head. Solid lacing. Smell is a thick tart funky yeast over roasted coffee with some dark fruits and chocolate in the background. Sugary wood finishes it up. I won't say it but GP knows this is a CD.

A sugary cherry tartness (which is much more powerful than in the smell) overwhelms while roasted coffee fights for dominance. Sugary sweet funk wins in the end while chocolate and wood sit on the tongue. This beer seems to be changing every sip as it warms.

Carbonation is just right along with the body. Not thick at all, but definitely not thin enough to slug down. Sits a little sugary in the stomach. Let this one warm up a little before you give it a go.

jwff, May 22, 2007
Photo of Oxymoron
3.25/5  rDev -15.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 4 | feel: 1.5 | overall: 2.5

As soon as I heard that Liquor Max in Loveland CO had this available (for a limited time) I went a runnin. Poured a black color with light viscous qualities. A nice tan colored rocky head with good staying power.

The nose is sugary sweet with some saison like qualities. Stout you say? Some lighter chocolate notes with some fruity esters. Some sour notes and I picked up on some cheesy characteristics as well (that’s why I think Saison). Some lighter yeasty notes that are specific Belgium

The taste is unique. A malt bill that has some roasty and chocolate notes in the back. But this is muffled with a sweet and sour Belgium essence covering it up. A sour flavor brings a off flavor tartness. Some bitter notes from the hops really offset the taste as well.

With all this unique flavors, really off sets the body of the beer. There is some body but really lacks. A high carbonation helps acsent the sourness of the beer and hinders some stout characteristics. Overall a nice unique beer but I wonder if I will be really running for more.

Oxymoron, May 15, 2007
Photo of xgrigorix
4.43/5  rDev +14.8%
look: 5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Brown 750 ml bottle. No dates.

Pitch black. Rocky tan head retains very well & leaves plenty of lace sticking to the glass.

Intense burnt aroma is prevalent. A weird cinnamon type note lurks in the background.

A nice combination of roasted flavours belie the intense burnt aroma. A dark fruit flavour - plums in particular - really pops & brings it through into the finish. Some chocolate notes open up as it warms. Also coming out more as it warms is a delicious lactic sourness that keeps each sip interesting.

Medium bodies, lively carbonation.

A very unique Belgo-American stout. Gets better & better as it warms.

xgrigorix, May 14, 2007
Photo of xav33
5/5  rDev +29.5%
look: 5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Jolly Pumpkin Madrugada Obscura
750 ml bottle
Moderate pour in a goblet and tulip glass
Released January '07, plunged into 05/07

Poured black with a large mostly lasting rocky and fluffy light brown head and good lacing.

Smelt of strong coffee, dark chocolate, clean fresh oak, sour grapes and cherries, bandaids, and lighter notes of different variations of the above. You could say licorice, plums, tar, or even frigging rainbows, because as dark as this is, it even smells like rainbows. A very evil rainbow.

Taste was upfront strong to harsh sour dark fruit, like concord grape skins or cherries or and moderate roast and burnt malt followed by strong bitter and sourness, touches of oak, and coffee, and bliss, on a long finish.

Palate was medium bodied, slightly oily on a slightly dry finish, lively carbonated, and lightly puckering.

Overall, it's a refreshing summer stout! Sour and feels light bodied. A huge palate punch that makes you turn the other cheek and beg for more. Magical. Dark Magic. Mommy!

xav33, May 13, 2007
Photo of Beaver13
3.6/5  rDev -6.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

750 ml bottle. Pours a dark brown with a large fluffy brown head that retains well and laces the glass.

The aroma is grainy lactic chocolate with some spicy hops and a little band-aid.

The flavor is roasted malts with a vinous sour fruitiness. The finish is roasted bitterness. The mouthfeel is medium and creamy.

Overall, it's kind of jarring to have a sour stout. It seems to balance out and blend as it warms and I drink more. I'm not quite sure how much I like it, but it's a fun beer and I'd definitely have it again.

Beaver13, May 12, 2007
Photo of Phatz
4.45/5  rDev +15.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 5

I found this bottle at Bello Vino Markets in Michigan. Only $9 out there. Thanks to GranCruDrew for helping me find what I was looking for. I had the opportunity to share this beer with bookert and phnphilly.
Once again, well done JP! It amazes me that JP can make a ‘stout’ and still maintain the touch of Jolly Pumpkin tartness I love so much. Truly JP beers are style benders. I have not found another beer like this one.

Allowed to warm sufficiently and served in my snifter glass.

Appearance: Pours almost black with a tan head.

Smell: Roasty and chocolaty with sweetness and tartness intermingled. Tart cherries and roasted malts come close to reaching the point of funky. I love it.

Taste: How do you get the roasty bitterness of a stout, the sweet chocolate and dark fruits, fig/grape, and also get that awesome sour funk in one beer. WOW. A friend challenged me to brew a coffee Lambic once I get my feet wet in homebrewing. If I could do it, this is what I’d shoot for.

Mouthfeel: Everything about this beer is different so why not the mouthfeel too. It is both bitter on the cheeks and sour brett on the swallow leaving a bit of a pucker and a slightly acidy feel. Most unique, and quite tasty.

Drinkability: This is a beer for the fans of wild ales who would actually think of dumping a sour and a stout together. I would and do and love it, and it you do too then is exceptionally drinkable. I think many people will find it different consider it a novelty and move on. To each their own.

Hope this is helpful.

Phatz, May 08, 2007
Photo of rallison
4.25/5  rDev +10.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A: Dark black with a 1 finger tan head that leaves just a bit of lacing.

S: Smells of tart cherries, wild yeast and a touch of roastiness.

T: Unique. That is for sure. Refreshing sour cherry tartness upfront (but not as tart as the Duchesse, for example), with a pleasant stout flavor behind. Everything is nicely mellowed from the aging, and the cherry is actually less pronounced than I expected given the reviews. Sweeter coffee flavors are also in the background. Props to Jolly Pumpkin for a truly unique flavor profile.

M: Nice mouthfeel. Medium body with an ever so slight tingle of carbonation. Nice.

D: To me, this is a pretty drinkable beer considering the wild yeast characteristics. Everything is mellowed enough to make it pretty drinkable.

Overall, recommended. This is a well crafted beer - it's not for everyone, but everyone should at least give it a try.

rallison, May 08, 2007
Photo of Westsidethreat
2.45/5  rDev -36.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 2 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 2

A: Pours a thin looking uber dark brown beer. The head that billows out of the glass is tremendous..inches tall of thick and creamy dark tan bubbles.

S: Ha, I can smell brett. These crazy guys! Brett in a stout, whats next. Also some day old coffee, tootsie roll, grape juice and scratch and sniff chocolate.

T: Starts off tart and sour, much like cola and young grape juice. I’ve sampled many an infected beer that tasted like this, but this time they did it on purpose. Some cherries aspects come through with pronounced coffee grounds roastedness. But god that sourness is really aggressive and I’m having a hard time getting accustomed to it. I can’t do any more.

M: Full and creamy.

D: I love stouts. I love sour beers. This beer didn’t work. I’m not closing my mind to sour stouts from this point forward but this one needs to go back to the drawing boards. JP is one of my favorite breweries so it pains me to write this.

Westsidethreat, May 05, 2007
Photo of bluejacket74
3.68/5  rDev -4.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

750 ml bottle. Served in a pint glass, the beer pours dark brown with a thick tan head. Head retention is pretty good, but the lacing is just OK. It smells like roasted malt, coffee, chocolate and some hops. It tastes like tart/sour berries, with a bit of coffee and chocolate. This beer is mostly tart/sour, but as it warms more of the traditional roasted malt/coffee/chocolate flavors come out. I guess this really is a Belgian inspired stout, as it tastes more like a Belgian style beer than it does like a stout. Mouthfeel is medium, smooth and dry. The drinkability is decent, if you can get past the sourness in the stout. This is my first beer from Jolly Pumpkin, and it's definitely unique. I'd drink it again, but I'm not sure if this is something I could drink all the time.

bluejacket74, Apr 28, 2007
Photo of AltBock
3.83/5  rDev -0.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Cask-conditioned @ Buckeye Brewing Company's Beer Engine on April 17th, 2007. It was served to me in a Lagunitas standard American pint glass at whatever the temp of the cask was at. It wasn't too far off from room temperature. The color of the beer put the dark in "Dark Dawn Stout." It was a midnight black with a few ruby red highlights through out the beer. It had a 1 finger head of tan colored foam that had decent retention that left behind a few tan rings around the edge and a few streaks of tan lace around the glass. It started off with a pleasant sour aroma filled with sour cherries, a few sour green grapes, and a tiny amount of roasted malts in the background. Toward the end of the beer's life in my glass, the aroma went from a sour aroma to an aroma heavy in espresso. Do you know what a coffee house smells like when they're brewing espresso? That's exactly what the beer smelled like at that point. Nice hidden surprise. If you know Jolly Pumpkin's beer, then you know they have some sourness to them. This one was no different. The taste started off with some sour and tart bing cherries and grapes. After the tartness had receded, it went right into a pinch of sweet milk chocolate, a dab of roasted malts, a small drop of coffee, and then finished off with a light to medium sized amount of dry roasted bitter hops. The mouthfeel was a bit on the light side and a few of those sour and tart fruits left over from the initial taste decided to blend into the roasted malts and hops to create a slightly sour/malty/hoppy aftertaste. Odd, but good. I could also say that about the whole beer, "Odd, but good." I've always enjoyed JP's unique beers and this one was quite unique. If you never had or if you like intentionally sour stouts, then this one is up your alley. For my first cask beer ever, I think it was a pretty good start.

AltBock, Apr 18, 2007
Photo of emerge077
3.98/5  rDev +3.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

Dark umber-black in the glass, plently of foam, sticky lace, slowly settling over time.

Roasted malt in the aroma, and some fruity plum. I know the house yeast is in here from the taste, but it doesn't assert much in the aroma.

Roasty chocolate malt, slightly sour brett, tart cherry, leather, almonds. Rough, yet still some degree of complexity. A unique take on a Belgian Stout, hybrid qualities of American/Belgian origin.

Mouthfeel is smooth, dry with tart fruit in the aftertaste. One 750 is ok if you're prepared for a wild ride. Probably best shared, it's still a solid experimental offering.

emerge077, Mar 24, 2007
Photo of DogFood11
2.25/5  rDev -41.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 1.5 | feel: 2 | overall: 2

First time I've seen this in the area. The few beers I've sampled from Jolly Pumpkin have been outstanding so this is a must pick up. Poured this into a chalice it forms an easly managed loose tan head.

Good god man whats up with the sour twinge that cannot be ignored? It smelled really nice. It smelled like bakers chocolate and a slightly toasted malt base. Taste was just absolutely ruined by this astringent sour twinge that tasted nothing like a spoiled beer. Tangy at times and as it warmed it got more intense. I'll give it the unique angle...it just doesn't work on the palate.

Notes: I'm glad I only got one bottle as I was thinking about getting a few more while it was available. It honestly tastes like a blend of a kickass stout and a Bier de garde or gueze of sorts. While I like both styles, the "mix" was not worthy of bottling.

DogFood11, Mar 10, 2007
Photo of benmiliron
2.68/5  rDev -30.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 2 | feel: 4 | overall: 2

Paid $7.99 for a bottle.

Nice looking stuff. Pours a deep deep brown, looking black in the Leffe goblet I'm to drink it from. Nearly gushes over with 4 fingers of heavy tan foam. Almost like an ice cream float. Smells of cinnamon, licorice, cloves, pine. Very aromatic. Surprisingly little malt, but definite hop presence. A faint hint of cleanser.

Taste is a shock of sourness, almost a Cantillon lambic. No real hints of contamination, so this must be intentional. Taste of tea, coffee, citrus. Malt is hidden behind the sour. Yuck.

Nice mouthfeel. Finishes clean for an 8.1% stout, though some stickyness remains. Low fizz factor despite the excessive foam.

Not drinkable due to the sour. This is not what a stout should be IMHO.

benmiliron, Feb 20, 2007
Photo of feloniousmonk
4.13/5  rDev +7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Deep, thick brown, large, fluffy brown head.

Nose is sweet and sour, imfused with tart cherries, lambic-like...

Very carbonated, with continuing sour smack on the palate. And there's plentyof cocoa and coffee at play here, ....very interesting. And imagine, here we have an American microbrewery doing their take on the Belgian's take on the Irish take on a British style.

A bit big in the booze, but not deterrent in any way...

Lip-smacking delicious. Good one!

feloniousmonk, Jan 23, 2007
Photo of grassrootsVT
3.55/5  rDev -8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Sampled with a friend, from my cellar, on 3/3/06. Enjoyed from snifters and beer a gift from the brewer himself...
Ap: deep dark body, roasted brown head, awesome retention.
Ar: sweet wort, noble hops [golding?]...average.
T: no roasted character, no chocolate. tastes just like the amber [la roja]to me at first!? oak, vanilla, sour/tart. sweet subtle bitterness - great balance, lacking any malt depth [most likely due to the activity off the brettanomyces?]. more stout character in the head than in the body... sweet chocolate begins to come through after 20 mins of warming...
M: way light, not enough body for a stout, IMO. after 45 mins, still not much going on than a subtle chocolate touch.
D: high...but...why...? despite classification flaws... i could drink this beer on a regular basis. very interesting... but i would like to see it with a higher mash temperature, more residual malt character...and...maybe FAR less brett? [not that we can control such things...]

all in all, a great effort from jolly P. would love it if more of that malty depth could be maintained through the oak/brett aging...

grassrootsVT, Sep 05, 2006
Photo of woodychandler
3.98/5  rDev +3.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

I had this on cask this past weekend at Spuyten Duyvil while on the pub crawl and I would defy anyone to find it anywhere else in the area at any price.

It arrived with a thick, deep-brown head, but reduced to a thin wispiness before long. Nose was chocolaty with an underlying brett presence. The color was a deep, dark brown. The mouthfeel was thin, but the brett presence was up front on the palate. The dark chocolate flavor began to assert itself, but only after several sips. The finish was extremely bitter and sour, born of the combination of dark malt and brett. The extreme finish had a graininess to it. Man, was this a find! Yummy, but not enough to be overly drinkable, especially given its ABV on a pub crawl.

woodychandler, Aug 29, 2006
Photo of thelagerheads
5/5  rDev +29.5%
look: 5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

This is where other beers come to be decimated and pronounced simpleton swills of bulging Amerigo. In fact this is the war of the worlds brew that comes out of the ground and goes GEEE GLEEENNNNK and then starts zapping people and turns them to quivering dust piles. I saw a man carrying a case of Bud Light walking in 95 degree heat as I was driving towards the Jolly Pumpkin headquarters today and I cursed his existence and made inside my brain those exact same GLLLEEEKEKKEKE sounds and he was gone from the face of the planet beer. I pulled in and mooched three samples with this being the last and bought three bottles with this being the first tasted. What you have here is a copper bodice and the queen is being fed chinked off pieces of the Sphinx and grape wine and the blood of three virgins. Her hair is flaming and her mouth is cursed with the comprachico's everpresent and everlasting grin-smirk-smile. You have a porter with God's little magic wand in it making a mushroom cloud of exploding suds that implodes from the center down in a burst of purple froth. You have to harness this head because it whips around and screams and threatens to put your life in the dustbowl if you don't dive right in and be overcome by excellence.

thelagerheads, Aug 11, 2006
Photo of Brian700
3.85/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

This beer pours black with a dark brown head.

Immediately I can smell sour oak and dark malt. The oak is kind of musty but intrigueing.

The flavor is of sour oak and black patent malt with some gueze qualities. I've never had a beer that took over my mouth like this one. The flavor was almost to much sour but still good. I don't ever drink stout cold but a few minutes in the fridge might help the drinkability of this one.

The mouthfeel was full bodied with heavy carbonation. My wife said it reminded her of pop rocks when she took a sip. The carbonation really does explode in your mouth and makes for a pretty intense sour mash mouthfeel.

The drinkability is a good but not great because of its high carbonated sourness. This is still a great beer and I enjoyed it. Any Jolly Pumpkin beer you find is a pretty safe bet if you are looking to try something new.

Brian700, Jul 10, 2006
Madrugada Obscura, Dark Dawn Stout from Jolly Pumpkin Artisan Ales
87 out of 100 based on 830 ratings.