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Bad Trader Alert

Discussion in 'Bad Traders' started by fortsambo, May 29, 2012.

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  1. slaphappysnark

    slaphappysnark Initiate (0) Mar 9, 2011 California

    I still don't even think it's their responsibility to get beer sent to the person by anyone (which is what you just said again in the first sentence), just their responsibility to put some effort into supporting the person who didn't get beer (which is perhaps what you actually mean?) If the organizer hounds the person who didn't send and then lets the other folks in the BIF know what happened, but no beer actually comes of any of their efforts, I think they have fulfilled their obligations. That scenario is quite unlikely, though, and I think we pretty much agree, at least in practice.
     
  2. ShanePB

    ShanePB Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2010 Pennsylvania

    That's what I've been trying to say. Drawing from experience, once they fulfill those obligations, beer ends up on the participants doorstep in every scenario I've seen. So, really, in the grand scheme of things they did what they need to do, in order for beer to get to their doorstep. Whether or not the organizer sends, they still got them beer. Never have I seen someone in a BIF end up empty handed.
     
  3. cpinto6

    cpinto6 Initiate (0) Feb 25, 2010 Georgia

    I though there was an unwritten rule of empathy...I've never participated in one but before this thread I could've sworn it was an accepted norm that when you enter a BIF and someone flakes the rest of the participants including the host pitch in to help out. I guess if I ever ran a BIF I would state it in the rules then. Everyone should be responsible for getting everyone a box as no one would like to leave a BIF without a box.
     
  4. cbeer88

    cbeer88 Initiate (0) Sep 5, 2007 Massachusetts

    Yes, there definitely is an unwritten rule to take care of the community. I've personally sent out a couple of boxes to people who got screwed. But, there is no formal obligation. In practice, I have never seen somebody get screwed in a BIF without numerous others stepping up to help out - in fact, I feel like the person who gets screwed on the BIF usually ends up making out better than anyone else. :slight_smile:

    I do think it's important that people don't go into BIF's with expectations that it is a risk-free endeavor though. It's no different from a trade...
     
  5. ShanePB

    ShanePB Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2010 Pennsylvania

    Amen. The generosity is usually insane.

    Completely agree. I never meant my previous posts to imply that.
     
  6. cpinto6

    cpinto6 Initiate (0) Feb 25, 2010 Georgia

    Completely agree except that IMO your expectations should be that its risk-free regarding getting screwed and not getting anything like when you get screwed in a trade. If you ask me the only risk should be that you might have to spend a little more than you planned on because you end up pitching in to make up for someone that flaked.
     
  7. sonoma01

    sonoma01 Initiate (0) Dec 3, 2010 Wisconsin

    Sorry for the bad trade Sam. Looks like he was just on 40 minutes ago as well reading this exact post. Let's see if he makes good,on the deal now or just jumps ship.
     
  8. Photekut

    Photekut Initiate (0) Mar 31, 2006 Tennessee

    I'm glad at least his computer is back up and running then. :astonished:
     
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  9. Levitation

    Levitation Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2009 California

    he's on facebook and shows activity on may 21, 24, 28th (monday) and 30th (today). guess it was working in fits and starts.
     
  10. BigTomZ

    BigTomZ Initiate (0) Apr 14, 2009 Virginia

    Yeah it shows at 3:50 he was looking at this thread. I wonder if he will try to make it right, or just disappear.
     
  11. lucas1801

    lucas1801 Initiate (0) Apr 5, 2012 Massachusetts

    His printer is probably down, hard to ship without a fedex label and all...
     
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  12. ASUBeer

    ASUBeer Initiate (0) Nov 4, 2011 North Carolina

    Or his phone. Or iPad. Or his work computer. Or a public library computer. Or a FedEx kiosk computer. Or the work station at a hotel. :wink:
     
  13. Domeshot14

    Domeshot14 Initiate (0) Jul 10, 2011 California

    I bet he's out of ink, and the cartridges are on back order.
     
  14. Sarlacc83

    Sarlacc83 Initiate (0) Mar 2, 2008 Oregon

    :sunglasses:
     
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  15. Pahn

    Pahn Initiate (0) Dec 2, 2009 New York

    actually laughed out loud at that.

    re: BIFs, i've never been in one, but i suspect that some of the confusion / disagreement is coming from people having been in them with an expectation that everyone gets taken care of and it not usually ending up a problem.

    e.g. JohnTrader believes it's an unwritten rule that the BIF-runner takes care of the stiffed-trader. however, the few times JohnTrader has seen someone get stiffed--if ever at all--people in the BIF jumped over themselves to make it up. while JT thinks that the BIF-runner has an obligation, he respects the generosity of all the other traders involved and doesn't question it--in fact, he probably joins in and passes on a bottle himself.

    JT never has occasion to discuss this BIF-runner responsibility until the present day, when apparently more and more people are getting stiffed in BIFs and no one's making up for it. (no reason for JT to ever "argue" about it with TT--TomTrader--who thinks that it's everyone's [or no one's] responsibility).


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    p.s. there's a moral to be drawn here, by the way, about the idea of "taking responsibility" in a group where everyone looks out for each other. the concept of blame loses a lot of its utility.
     
  16. InebriatedJoker

    InebriatedJoker Initiate (0) Sep 16, 2010 Ohio

    Sorry to hear about this Sam ,
    hopefully the guy does the right thing and sends you your box (But I doubt he will ) ,also he should add some great extras for the inconvenience.
     
  17. fortsambo

    fortsambo Initiate (0) Feb 14, 2011 Colorado

    In all honesty it's all good... It's worth one bad trade to meet all the awesome BAs out there that I have traded with (75+). I've had many show insane generosity so will not let this put a bad taste in my mouth. Just wanted others to beware.
     
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  18. cosmicevan

    cosmicevan Initiate (0) Dec 13, 2009 New York
    Trader

    150%

    phone number is essential.
     
  19. cosmicevan

    cosmicevan Initiate (0) Dec 13, 2009 New York
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    didn't we have this discussion in the unwanted wales BIF hauls thread?
     
  20. cbeer88

    cbeer88 Initiate (0) Sep 5, 2007 Massachusetts

    Ha - no. I merely observed that shitshow from the sidelines. :slight_smile:
     
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