Any good East Coast IPAs available on the West Coast?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by BeerBeast, Jun 4, 2013.

  1. Smitty1988

    Smitty1988 Savant (350) Arizona Oct 16, 2012

    I agree with bennettj17, the best IPA in AZ is Dragoon, but they need to distro more, plus they dont can or bottle thier stuff, one other decent one is Ponderosa IPA by Prescott Brewing, its nothing too great but its up there with Hop Shock.
    Heres my list of Best AZ IPA's
    1. Dragoon
    2. Hop Knot
    3. Sun Up Trooper IPA (which is in downtown phx, about 20 min from Avondale)
    4. Hop Shock
    5. Ponderosa IPA.
    .... But yea, nothin like a CA IPA
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  2. BeerBeast

    BeerBeast Advocate (530) Florida Oct 9, 2012

    Oops, I mean to say Hop Knot, not Hop Bomb! LOL Also, I am surprised you like Knot over Shock, I really like the aroma and taste of Hop Shock.
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  3. Smitty1988

    Smitty1988 Savant (350) Arizona Oct 16, 2012

    Yea, its just not as clean of a finish to me, and If you want dragoon OHSO in Arcadia(close to scottsdale,/central Phx) has pitchers on happy hour for 6 dollars. call a cab though ;)
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  4. teraflx

    teraflx Savant (485) Arizona Feb 4, 2013

    I really like Hop Knot and its everywhere with a fair price too! Not world class but very nice seeing how easy it is to get it. Hop Shock was pretty good but Hop Knot was better in my opinion. Rare I don't have a few cans in the fridge. Havent tried Dragoon, Ponderosa or Sun up yet.
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  5. BeerBeast

    BeerBeast Advocate (530) Florida Oct 9, 2012

    I rated them both a 4.25, and I was very surprised that the first two Arizona IPAs I tried were both so good! Hop Shock 6-packs for $8.99 at the numerous Fresh & Easy locations around here is a no-brainer -- the best IPA deal since I found SN Torpedo for $7.99 in Ojai. The F&E near me has Stone Ruination bombers for $5.99 on the shelf, which is a good price, but they scan for $6.99.
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  6. BigJim5021

    BigJim5021 Advocate (520) Indiana Sep 2, 2007

    Ok, but you're missing out on one of the best IPAs from the Midwest.
  7. Want East Coast IPAs but you're on the West Coast? 3 alternatives.
    1. An East Coast beercation.
    2. Ask a friend on the East Coast to ship them to you.
    3. Ask a friend who travels to the East Coast on a regular basis to bring some back.
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  8. Actually now that you mention it, Yardhouse had a single hop citra IPA on tap for a short time and it was amazing but sold out of it quick. May have been this one!
  9. I drink the hell out of Sculpin. Multiple bars consistently feature Ballast Point's brews on tap.

    Not sure anything at that level makes it out of the northeast, though. We have a lot of "we stay small on purpose" breweries out here...
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  10. Yea, it was at Boneyard Bistro in Sherman Oaks.
  11. BeerBeast

    BeerBeast Advocate (530) Florida Oct 9, 2012

    Cool, thanks! Does that place consistently have a nice IPA selection?
  12. dougfur

    dougfur Savant (355) New York Jan 24, 2011

    Nailed it!
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  13. ChrisMon02

    ChrisMon02 Advocate (515) Ohio May 2, 2010

    I agree-I am spoiled as I live a few miles from Fathead's and normally get growlers instead of bottles. Dank ass IPA that never dissapoints.
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  14. Yea, they almost always have a super solid tap and bottle list.
  15. cavedave

    cavedave Poobah (1,035) New York Mar 12, 2009

    Really. Why in the world would we distribute Shotgun Willie, Flower Power, Krypotonite, Lunch, Heady Topper, Double Galaxy, Double Citra, Double Sunshine, Outrage, Head High, Boy King, Kroovy, OTWOA, etc. to the pretentious snobs out west stuck in the long gone glory days when the their one dimensional bitter pills that are west coast hoppy pales were great by default? You wouldn't understand their goodness, and you don't deserve them.
  16. mjryan

    mjryan Advocate (515) Minnesota Dec 22, 2007

    It's as if there was some clear distinction between beers brewed all over this country. There isn't. Get over it.
  17. VaTechHopHead

    VaTechHopHead Initiate (0) Jan 9, 2008

    Sounds like a bunch of experimental strains of THC, never heard of them. Pupil, Bad Boy, 'nuff said.
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  18. cavedave

    cavedave Poobah (1,035) New York Mar 12, 2009

    Love Bad Boy. Hope to try it again when it grows up.
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  19. BeerBeast

    BeerBeast Advocate (530) Florida Oct 9, 2012

    Well, there definitely are regional differences. Generally speaking, East Coast versions tend to be more malt-forward, at least in my I am trying to expand my horizons via this convo.
  20. dougfur

    dougfur Savant (355) New York Jan 24, 2011

    There's some truth here, but I'm going to exempt Kern River citra, which is absolutely out of this world!
  21. mjryan

    mjryan Advocate (515) Minnesota Dec 22, 2007

    Generally speaking, I respectfully disagree. I've been all over this country, drank a lot of great beer, and have found them remarkedly similar for the most part. Blind test three IPAs brewed on the east coast, three from the Midwest and three from the west coast sometime. It helps to not know what the beers are going into it. Try and pick out wich region each is from. You might be surprised by the results. Though, beer is always best closest to the source.
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  22. BeerBeast

    BeerBeast Advocate (530) Florida Oct 9, 2012

    That may very well be the problem, that I have been unable to find fresh versions of the East Coast entries I have tried.

  23. If he is in NH, Smutty should be all over the place. Hell, down here in PA we see it all the time....and super fresh no less. The freshest I ever had it was a keg dated 6 days old. What a fantastic keg that was. Just watch dates and have him get it as fresh as possible and you'll love it. If you are about bitter, that beer is bitterest!
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  24. draheim

    draheim Poobah (1,075) Washington Sep 18, 2010

    Well, one good reason would be to get as much of your beer into as many hands (and markets) as possible. This is why Sierra Nevada, Stone, Lagunitas, New Belgium, Green Flash and probably a number of other Western breweries I can't think of right now are sending a lot of their beer east (and even building breweries there), but far too few Eastern breweries are expanding their footprint west. Another reason would be to correct the widespread misconception that the best IPAs the East Coast has to offer are 90 Minute and Hop Devil.
  25. cavedave

    cavedave Poobah (1,035) New York Mar 12, 2009

    My reply was tongue in cheek, but not the first time my sardonic nature isn't obvious.

    Since I know some local brewers I do wish them bigger success, but at the same time bigger success might mean I have a harder time getting their beer, and might have to pay more for what I can get. I do hope them wide enough success so the whole country can taste what we now do as well or better than all.

    That said, I do love West Coast style, always have, and it was that style that led to our brewers stepping up their games. Lunch supposedly is based upon Vinnie's exact recipe for PTE, which he gives out freely.
  26. draheim

    draheim Poobah (1,075) Washington Sep 18, 2010

    I knew you were being a little facetious/sarcastic, but you're right, I did misunderstand the underlying intent of your post a little bit as well.

    After posting my response, I took a look at the top-rated IPAs and DIPAs on BA (100 beers total). Out of the ones produced by East Coast breweries, not a single one makes it to my state. Can you say the same of the West Coast beers on those lists? So while I'm absolutely certain that some amazing beers of this style are being produced on the East Coast, can you really blame us out here for being ignorant about it? East Coast BAs have a distinct advantage, in that they can judge more beers from more parts of the country for themselves, rather than having to take on faith the word of a bunch of locals.

    And believe me, I understand your point about the double-edged sword of success. As far as I'm concerned my favorite local breweries are doing just fine, thank you very much, and I'll be perfectly happy if they decide not to try to spread themselves too thin.
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  27. I am not a logistics/statistics guy so maybe you could help me out here.

    My hypothesis is that the Eastern part of the US (let’s say all of the states that border the Atlantic plus maybe some interior states like Ohio, Kentucky, Tennessee) represents a pretty big market (I am sure you can get the population from Google population data). I would think that the shipping costs/logistics would be much cheaper to simply service this Eastern market. Shipping beer (and ensuring proper refrigeration and product turnover for freshness) to the west coast would be much more expensive. If I was a brewery owner (e.g., owner of Ithaca Brewing Company) I might be tempted to solely concentrate on the Eastern market for cost/ease issues. Does that make sense to you?

  28. draheim

    draheim Poobah (1,075) Washington Sep 18, 2010

    Yes, I'm aware that population density is higher in the East than in the West. Take a look at this thread for some population numbers I put together by BA region—if you divide the country roughly in thirds the East has 132 million, the Midwest/Great Lakes has 67 million, and the West has 103 million. So from a business perspective it makes more sense to expand from west to east than vice versa.

    But I've also argued in several threads that, with a few notable exceptions, the demand for West Coast beers in the East is probably greater than the demand for East Coast beers in the West. If you look at the states with the lowest ratio of people to breweries, many of them are in the West. So the market is already saturated (relatively speaking), with yet more new breweries opening up every year. Just follow the money. I'm sure these West Coast breweries wouldn't be sending their beer clear across the country (let alone opening new breweries there) if they didn't think it would sell. It seems that most East Coast breweries are less confident they could manage to gain a foothold in Western markets, and I would agree with them.
  29. Perhaps you have a ‘better’ answer to your question that mine:” If you look at the states with the lowest ratio of people to breweries, many of them are in the West.”

    Permit me to offer up this statement: the Western beer market is already ‘saturated’ by local craft breweries. Does it make sense for an Eastern brewery to enter a market that is already ‘saturated’?

  30. draheim

    draheim Poobah (1,075) Washington Sep 18, 2010

    See the last sentence in my post.

    But the main point I'm trying to convey, going back to my first response to cavedave, is that I seem to hear a lot of griping from East Coast and Midwest/Great Lakes BAs about how their IPAs aren't given credit for being on par with West Coast (particularly California) IPAs. This whole thread started with a guy asking if any good East Coast IPAs are available on the West Coast, and the general consensus from responses is that there aren't, and if he wants to try them he'll have to trade for them.

    So yes, a lot of West Coasters have this idea in their head that breweries to the east of us aren't making good IPAs, which of course is rubbish. But unless a few really good East Coast breweries manage to expand west and compete in this market, this misconception will persist. I'll give any beer from anywhere a fair shot, but to be honest, the East Coast IPAs I have tried that are available locally (90 Minute, Hop Devil, Hop Wallop, probably something from Southern Tier) haven't been anywhere close to the best I've had. Frankly I get the feeling that for the most part, we're getting the dregs the East Coast doesn't want.
  31. “ …(90 Minute, Hop Devil, Hop Wallop, probably something from Southern Tier) haven't been anywhere close to the best I've had. Frankly I get the feeling that for the most part, we're getting the dregs the East Coast doesn't want.”

    I would offer a few comments:

    · Firstly, none of the beers listed above are favorites of mine
    · I have posted several times that I think that Hop Devil is a ‘poster child’ for what is termed an East Coast style IPA; it is very balanced between the malt and hops.

    So, you West Coast guys get the beers from the East Coast breweries that are willing to distribute to the West Coast (Dogfish Head, Victory, etc.). I would certainly not use the word “dregs” for these beers; they sell pretty well but if what you want to drink are West Coast style IPAs, those particular beers aren’t it.

    I have a preference for West Coast style IPAs with some of my favorites being: Ithaca Flower Power, Fat Head’s Head Hunter IPA, Firestone Walker Union Jack, Stone IPA, Bell’s Two Hearted, etc.

    My ultimate hoppy beers (but they are hard to get even for us East Coast folks) are Heady Topper, the IPAs/DIPAs from Hill Farmstead.

    For the West Coast folks who want to taste some of the non-East Coast style IPAs that are brewed on the East Coast you have two options:

    · Trade
    · Beer vacation (preferably with stops at Ommegang and the Vermont Breweries during the fall when the trees change their colors)

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  32. cavedave

    cavedave Poobah (1,035) New York Mar 12, 2009

    It's even more than that, and the thing is a few breweries making that sort of quality have grown large out west, really not more than a few. They built on their success out west to expand east, it was the only direction they had left to go.

    And even more than that, it is the same situation here in the east as the breweries out west now making the incredible quality, such as Boneyard, and Alpine, and others we all can name, require trades. Most folks, maybe even most BA's judge our beers here against Sucks and Hop Stoopid and Mongo and Hop 15? We have to trade for the quality of Bad Boy, Kern Citra, Cowiche Canyon, Hoppy Birthday, Notorious, Hop Venom, Pliny the Elder (except some Pa. folks), etc..

    Truth is I hope we all get access to all the great ones we all, pretty much, are blessed to have locally, especially as this will mean success to all the best brewers in the country.
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  33. ThirstyFace

    ThirstyFace Initiate (0) New York Jan 11, 2013

    You're a cocky moron
  34. dawg1969

    dawg1969 Aficionado (140) Florida Aug 9, 2010

    CCB fresh Jai Alai is very good. Just picked up 2 more six packs canned 6/15/13. Very fresh!
    Sixpoints Resin DPA aint that bad either.
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  35. sacrelicio

    sacrelicio Initiate (0) Minnesota Feb 15, 2005

    This thread reminds me of the east coast/west coast hip hop wars of the 90s.
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  36. BeerBeast

    BeerBeast Advocate (530) Florida Oct 9, 2012

    But with fewer shootings!
  37. cmmcdonn

    cmmcdonn Savant (390) Virginia Jun 21, 2009

    I think it is a one-off, but it did make it out west at one point. I live an hour from the brewery, but oddly enough the only place I've had this beer was in LA.
  38. Why, thank you!
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  39. BeerBeast

    BeerBeast Advocate (530) Florida Oct 9, 2012

    Where did you find Flying Dog Citra in LA? Can it still be found in SoCal, or is it long gone?
  40. draheim

    draheim Poobah (1,075) Washington Sep 18, 2010 far...