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At what point do you tell yourself not to trade?

Discussion in 'Beer Trading Talk & Help' started by JohnB87, Dec 30, 2012.

  1. JohnB87

    JohnB87 Savant (360) Michigan Mar 14, 2011

    Lately, I've been seeing a lot of high caliber beers such as Grey Monday or CBS being put on the trading boards from people when they only have posted on BA less than 10 times.

    At what point do you not even bother trading and say that it is too much risk?
     
  2. match1112

    match1112 Initiate (0) Illinois Mar 2, 2011

    the second you question whether or not it's worth it you are telling yourself it's not. you should listen to yourself instead of trying to collect the most tics.
     
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  3. UCLABrewN84

    UCLABrewN84 Poobah (1,440) California Mar 18, 2010 Verified

    When you realize it costs too much money, time, and effort.
     
  4. Vanlingleipa

    Vanlingleipa Savant (475) California May 19, 2011 Verified

    I assign Yummy Points to each beer. Then I associate a rarity multiplier. Yummy Points x Rarity Multiplier = Trade Value for that beer.

    Of course, not surprisingly, I just pulled that out of my nether orifice. Like everyone else, I sort of guess.
     
  5. nc41

    nc41 Champion (770) North Carolina Sep 25, 2008 Verified


    Ask them to ship 1st, easy.
     
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  6. cavedave

    cavedave Poobah (1,060) New York Mar 12, 2009 Verified

    I always apologize if I seem like a dick when I do this, but under 10 trades and/or under a year on the site, you are asked to ship first. On the flip side I have always, to this day, been willing to ship first to an established trader if it gets the deal done. I have sent first as recently as 6 mo.'s ago when it was necessary.
     
  7. nc41

    nc41 Champion (770) North Carolina Sep 25, 2008 Verified

    I've shipped 1st, and I've done maybe 30 trades in total, so I'm not a prolific trader, but I have no problem shipping first if asked to do so. Some trades just get shipped ASAP nothing agreed upon, who's going to rip me off for Lindley Park? I don't have any whales to trade, and I've never tried to trade for a hard to get brew, for rares maybe I wouldn't be so casual unless I've worked with them before or they have references.
     
  8. Eriktheipaman

    Eriktheipaman Champion (795) California Sep 4, 2010 Verified

    Yup like the point I hit a few months ago when I spent $30 on shipping in one trip. I said screw it I could invest in that a lot of alcohol and not have to deal with all this.
     
  9. nc41

    nc41 Champion (770) North Carolina Sep 25, 2008 Verified

    Shipping is a given whether it's via trade or online store. There are times when I want a HT or some Alpine IPA's and that's the price I'll pay. I would get bored pretty quickly only drinking what's available here, and there are superior beers here to be sure.
     
  10. mocktm

    mocktm Savant (430) Virginia Jan 3, 2011 Verified

    I'm pretty much cutting myself out of the trade game after I complete the few pending ones I have. There's just too much solid stuff available locally and shipping is killer on my bank account.
     
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  11. Arbitrator

    Arbitrator Initiate (0) California Nov 26, 2008

    Trading made a lot more sense to me 4 years ago, when there were fewer wide-distributed beers available and the community was smaller. In the past 4 years, stores around me started carrying Russian River, Alesmith, Ballast Point, Firestone Walker, Hair of the Dog, Great Divide.... I even found Abyss at Costco. As a result, I've pretty much stepped out of the game. I can barely keep up with the beers around me, so why try to keep up with beers from another area?

    I'm not sure why anyone is jumping through hoops to get the latest and greatest when there are often substantial numbers of great beers on shelves locally.

    Trust your intuition: if you're asking yourself whether a trade is worth it (risk-wise, time-wise, cost-wise), it's probably not.
     
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  12. Finatic

    Finatic Savant (300) Florida Jan 16, 2011

    Shipping adds up quickly as I have discovered. This is as advertised, a very expensive and addictive hobby.
     
  13. kscaldef

    kscaldef Champion (855) Oregon Jun 11, 2010 Verified

    I'm going on hiatus after I finish my pending trades, simply because I've realized I'm trading for beers faster than I can keep up with drinking them.
     
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  14. whiskey

    whiskey Advocate (515) California Feb 25, 2012 Verified

    Same here. After trading for a decent amount of BA beers that are "sought after" I realized that none have blown my doors off more than things I can get locally like Abyss and Ivan. The only reason I would continue to trade wiould be to make tastings fun for the people that don't do BA.
     
  15. Siggy125

    Siggy125 Advocate (590) California Nov 10, 2006 Verified

    Interesting concept. But "Yummy?" Really?...
     
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  16. Vanlingleipa

    Vanlingleipa Savant (475) California May 19, 2011 Verified

    Like anything else emitted by a nether orifice, the end results are rarely pleasing or appreciated. However, your dog-god avatar may beg to differ.
     
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  17. jawzman

    jawzman Aficionado (230) Minnesota Mar 20, 2010

    If you fear that you might be encoutering a bad trader, as mentioned earlier, ask them to ship first. There was a case with one of my trades that I actually waited until I received my end prior to shipping his end out. The guy seemed shady and was elusive/slow in response to my BM's, but alas, all was received as promised. With all these "high-caliber" beers you speak of, timing usually isn't an issue unless your partner told you that he needed them ASAP from the beginning for a tasting or something of similar ilk. If they seem in too big a hurry and are pressuring you to ship, that would raise red flags...
     
  18. abecall98

    abecall98 Advocate (585) California Aug 11, 2007 Verified

    Pretty much this. Too many good beers close by to justify the added cost of shipping or headache of playing the "beer market" to make trading much less important.

    There is just far too many limited this or RARE this to care much. If anything lately, it's mostly just hookup boxes and blind trade boxes sent to my peeps.
     
  19. black13

    black13 Savant (465) Oregon Apr 11, 2010 Verified

    When you have 900 beers in your cellar and only drink 2-3 beers a week!
     
  20. mhenson42

    mhenson42 Advocate (640) Texas Nov 20, 2011 Verified

    ugh... just checked my fedex charges for the last 180 days...

    last 30 days = $302.32 (last weeks and this weeks boxes aren't showing up yet either)
    31-60 days ago = $317.74
    61-90 days ago = $460.91
    91-180 days ago = $521.85

    So that's since July 1st :eek: I need to slow down the trading in 2013, lol.
     
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  21. Finatic

    Finatic Savant (300) Florida Jan 16, 2011


    That's what I was saying , the shipping is the "Silent Bank Account Killer!":confused:
     
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  22. Krumb

    Krumb Savant (300) Texas Jan 30, 2008

    Holy crap, man!
     
  23. I recently sent out 2 CBSs (among other things) to a BA with 0 post on BA, no trades, nothing. Turned out to be one of the smoothest trades Ive done. Then it got me thinking several of my trades are done with low post, low to no trade history BAs. I think when BAs totally rule out trading with somebody because they dont have 100+ trades is kinda crazy, yes there are bad traders out there, but Im glad someone took a risk with ME when I did my first trade. Every situation is different, though. I guess Ive been lucky, but got some bad ass reg trading partners from giving new traders a chance.
     
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  24. SNOOPY

    SNOOPY Initiate (15) Jan 10, 2013

     
  25. SNOOPY

    SNOOPY Initiate (15) Jan 10, 2013

    Any chance you would share which Costco re the Abyss? I missed out before all local stores sold out. First time in years I could not find any. Thanks!
     
  26. Arbitrator

    Arbitrator Initiate (0) California Nov 26, 2008

    It is long-gone, but here.

    Incidentally, the selection in that thread answers the OP, again. :)