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Bayernbiere Bought and Drunk

Discussion in 'Germany' started by boddhitree, Dec 15, 2012.

  1. cu29

    cu29 Aficionado (215) Wisconsin Sep 26, 2005

  2. WOW! That beer list is absolutely awesome!! I was also very impressed to see such a diversity of beer styles!

    I would definitely need Hardcore Frank to wheelbarrow me out of the Beer Festival!

  3. boddhitree

    boddhitree Advocate (630) Germany Apr 13, 2008

    I gotta agree. I'm salivating at the beer list. Even if 1/2 of the beers that German brewers are trying, like IPAs, etc, suck, that still means 1/2 will rock. And the Danish beers! And the Scottish! I'm delirious with joy. I'll try to take notes on what I liked/hated and report back & take pics. The only good thing is that you get to try only 0.1L of each beer, giving me hope I won't be blind wasted before 4 pm. Also, Schneider and Sohn is premiering a new beer there this upcoming Saturday. It's gonna be hard work, I know, but I'm up for it.
  4. “The only good thing is that you get to try only 0.1L of each beer, giving me hope I won't be blind wasted before 4 pm.”

    Tony, I hope that you fare better than I did at the Belgium Comes to Cooperstown (NY) beer festival:

    Permit me to tell a story. My wife took me to Belgium Comes to Cooperstown beer festival (Ommegang Brewery) a number of years ago as a birthday present. We stayed at a bed & breakfast and the owner was an older lady who used to be an opera singer from the nearby Glimmerglass Opera Company. I kept teasing my wife to ask the old lady if she had a wheelbarrow (so my wife could take me home after the beer festival). They gave up sampling glasses and I had many, many 2 ounce + pours.

    I wore a Crazy T-shirt company T-shirt that was dyed in beer and it has the logo of North Shore Brewing Company (I got the T-shirt in Hawaii). The next day my wife asked if I remembered the other guy who had the same T-shirt as me. I replied: What!?! It turns out that at the end of the beer festival my wife and I were sitting on a bench in the Ommegang Brewery’s breezeway and across from us was another couple (a wife and her husband wearing my T-shirt) also sitting on a bench. The conversation (allegedly) went something like this:

    Other woman: We should take a picture with the two guys together!

    My wife: I can’t move my man, can you move your man?

    Other woman: No

    There was no picture taken of me and the other guy.


    P.S. I really don’t know whether the part of the story about the attempt to take a picture is true. I have absolutely no recollection of that!
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  5. boddhitree

    boddhitree Advocate (630) Germany Apr 13, 2008

    Great story, hence I plan to take notes and use iPhone camera.
  6. Will you post what your hand writing looks like at around 3:30!?!

  7. boddhitree

    boddhitree Advocate (630) Germany Apr 13, 2008

    3:30 am or pm? I think there's a talk given by Schneider Weisse (and the possible release of their new beer) between 4 & 5 pm on Saturday and other talks I might catch, so I'll try really hard to sober up by then. This BrauKunst Live! might really be the launching point for craft beer in Germany, I hope.
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  8. “I think there's a talk given by Schneider Weisse (and the possible release of their new beer) between 4 & 5 pm on Saturday and other talks I might catch, …”

    My strong recommendation: bring a tape recorder with you! That way you can ‘remember’ the talks later.;)

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  9. Gutes_Bier

    Gutes_Bier Advocate (515) Germany Jul 31, 2011

    The Gregorius will be there! That is the "new Trappist" beer. An official Trappist brewery in Austria was given the OK to brew...a year ago?...and released their Trippel. I think it's the only beer they brew. Been meaning to get my hands on that one...

    As always, looking forward to your report!
  10. Gutes_Bier

    Gutes_Bier Advocate (515) Germany Jul 31, 2011

    My "Spezial" delivery has arrived, I will be drinking well this week!



    My top-down shots of the case didn't turn out particularly well, so you'll just have to imagine 20 of these in said box.

    Cheers all!
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  11. steveh

    steveh Champion (775) Illinois Oct 8, 2003

    Okay -- that's freaking overwhelming. I'd probably sit in a corner and whimper, not knowing where to start. :eek:
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  12. boddhitree

    boddhitree Advocate (630) Germany Apr 13, 2008

    Did you see the world class beers on that list???!!! On top of that, there are LOTS of interesting looking beers, now whether they're good or not, that's another question. Nonetheless, I'm willing to try them!

    This is German beer culture needs and it's only the second attempt at this kind of fest. What the industry needs to see is success in making great quality beers and being innovative. Again, it's a start.
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  13. steveh

    steveh Champion (775) Illinois Oct 8, 2003

    I had the good opportunity to go to the Great Taste of the Midwest in Madison, WI a few years ago. It's every beer geek's dream. That said, I would probably not go back again, it was just too overwhelming in the choices available and time to taste; one afternoon.

    On the other hand, this fest in Munich is 3 days long...
  14. Domingo

    Domingo Champion (945) Colorado Apr 23, 2005

    Oh man...that case of Spezial...very jealous.
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  15. boddhitree

    boddhitree Advocate (630) Germany Apr 13, 2008

    Unfortunately, I can only give one day, my Saturday, to the Braukunst Live! I've made train reservations for near noon on Sunday, need to get brain prepared to work again on Monday.

    But... there's always the Köln festival in May, Festival der Bierkultur, which will be #5 and smaller. The best thing about Braukunst Live! is that it's supported by the big boys, the big beer trade associations, and that's led the heavy hitters from around the world to attend like Sierra Nevada and de Molen. I'm more worried pacing my sobriety and money.
  16. boddhitree

    boddhitree Advocate (630) Germany Apr 13, 2008

    I found Spezieal Rauchbier to be the best of the Rauchbiers in all of Bamberg. Agreed? And I'm jealous, too.
  17. Gutes_Bier

    Gutes_Bier Advocate (515) Germany Jul 31, 2011

    Well, no I can't go that far. I will say that my wife prefers it to Schlenkerla, but I am the other way around. She has better taste in foodstuffs, though. She has a properly refined palate and I do things like drink Oettinger.

    That's not to say I don't like the Spezial, it's great and I'd happily drink it any day (I'll get a review up here one day this week), but my preference is to the Schlenkerla. And I'd say I prefer the Fastenbier, Urbock, and Dopplebock from Schenkerla as well, if I'm allowed to include those in the conversation.

    Sometimes I will come to appreciate a beer more by the end of the case, so who knows, this beer may climb even higher in my esteem. It's definitely my favorite tonight, however, because it is in my fridge and all those other beers are not.
  18. Domingo

    Domingo Champion (945) Colorado Apr 23, 2005

    I think so, but I know some others (Herrburgess for one) disagree. The milder smoke and darker malts really speak to my palate a bit better than the Schlenkerla one. When paired with their jagerschnitzel, it made for one the best meals I've had in Germany. Can't say I've tried any other native rauchbiers, though.
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  19. I still love Spezial Rauchbier. Would gladly drink it everyday if I had the opportunity. Matter of fact, when I was in Bamberg with my Northern German in-laws, we spent much more time at the Spezikeller than at Schlenkerla. I tried taking them there on our first day in town, and while everyone loved the food, they could hardly stand Schlenkerla's Rauchbier. On our final night, I insisted we go back to Schlenkerla. After a week of acclimating themselves to Spezial Rauchbier, they tried Schlenkerla. Funnily enough, most agreed it tasted better. Again, I could drink either for the rest of my life and be happy. But there's something about Schlenkerla's underlying Maerzen base beer that, once you get past the smoke, is absolutely sublime and, as Michael Jackson said, "a world classic not only among beers, but among all alcoholic drinks."
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  20. steveh

    steveh Champion (775) Illinois Oct 8, 2003

    I could probably only make an assessment on location. The Spezial we get in the middle of the continent often sits on shelves too long to give the best comparison to others.

    However, remembering my wanderings through Bamberg I don't think I was disappointed anywhere!
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  21. steveh

    steveh Champion (775) Illinois Oct 8, 2003

    I'll see your Jagerschnitzel and raise you a Schlenkerla Bamberg Onion!

    Making a solid decision may take some long and difficult research... ;)
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  22. Domingo

    Domingo Champion (945) Colorado Apr 23, 2005

    Very true, very true. I'm actually embarrassed to say I haven't had a Bamberg Zweibel. The two times we were at Schlenkerla, they were overburdened by UK tour groups, so we just grabbed some beers at the window.
    I'm hoping to be back this August, so that's an absolute must this time.
  23. steveh

    steveh Champion (775) Illinois Oct 8, 2003

    My friend and I sat a table in the Altes Lokal with 2 "tourists" from Berlin (there goes Scott's N. German theory). As we perused the menu they emphatically told us we had to have the Onion, "It's a traditional farmer's lunch!"

    When it was plunked in front of me I didn't think I was going to finish it, but it was sooo good!

    That said, I definitely loves a good Jägerschnitzel!
  24. Had my first Zwiebel ever last Fall.... Damn good!! As for Schnitzel, I'm not a Jäger guy (mushrooms? :confused:). I like 'em straight up, Cordon Bleu style, or Zigeunerschnitzel....

  25. Zeegendorf, and Gasthaus Stark, is the main destination for Schnitzel around Bamberg: http://www.gasthausstark.de/speisekarte/schnitzel-vom-schwein. They also serve St Georgenbrau Kellerbier...and, apparently, something new called "Zeegendorfer." http://www.gasthausstark.de/speisekarte/alkoholische-getraenke
  26. steveh

    steveh Champion (775) Illinois Oct 8, 2003

    Oh man -- the memories.
  27. boddhitree

    boddhitree Advocate (630) Germany Apr 13, 2008

    Now, the last of the beers I ordered from Biershop-Bayern. It's from Brauerei Engelbräu's Wertacher Marktbier. I was looking to try a Märzen, mainly because Stahlsturm had been talking them up here as his favorite style. This one was one of the few in a Bülgelverschluß (plop-tops), which I reuse for my homebrew, in the Märzen category at Biershop-bayern. So, this is what the bottles look like:
    Color is dark golden with some orange tints. A dirty white head foam that quickly disappeared. Aroma is strong Müncher and Pils malt, very aromatic, with just a hint of hops. Basically, it smells like a typical Bayrisches beer. They say it's unfiltered, but it's clear as a bell.
    The taste is also typical, but it tastes almost exactly the way its aroma promises. Flavor is very malty, sweet, not like a Dunkeles, less caramel, nonetheless a malty sweetness is there. More pronounced is a Tettnanger or Hallertauer, or Spalter hop spicy, lightly peppery, some bitterness. Overall, a good beer, rather typical, though. I'm not sure if all Märzen taste like this one, but what I like is the spiciness, light pepper with underlying malty sweetness, a sweetness that is strongest especially in the aftertaste. I wouldn't buy it again but I recommend it. I'd rather try other Märzens to see how they compare.
  28. boddhitree

    boddhitree Advocate (630) Germany Apr 13, 2008

    Sorry, that's a typo - it's Bügelverschluß
  29. InebriatedJoker

    InebriatedJoker Champion (810) Ohio Sep 16, 2010

    Awesome thread.
    Keep up the good work !
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  30. Stahlsturm

    Stahlsturm Savant (430) Germany Mar 21, 2005

    Well, next up are 22 beers from the general Regensburg area :D I'm rather curious how he likes those. And yeah, I'm back home in case anyone wonders :D
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  31. Gutes_Bier

    Gutes_Bier Advocate (515) Germany Jul 31, 2011

    OK, so here's my quick overview of Spezial's Rauchbier. Purchased via www.hier-gibts-bier.de, arrived at my door about 8 days after my direct transfer. Bottle date of 23.05.2013. I don't know if Spezial dates their bottles 6 months, 1 year, or some other, but either way it is well within freshness date, so on we go.

    As you can maybe tell from the below terrible picture, this is a beautiful beer. It smells wonderful as well, although it's a challenge to find a smoked beer that doesn't. I can't help comparing it to Schlenkerla's Märzen. I think Herr Burgess hit it on the head - the base beer is either a better beer or just a style that lends itself better to being smoked. I think it's exactly why my wife prefers Spezial, by the way. She is no-way-no-how going to drink 1.5L of any beer in one sitting, and with Spezial's (in her opinion) the smoke is more subtle and the underlying beer is more accessible. Anyway, I find it a little lighter and somehow thinner than the Schlenkerla. Still a great beer, and I'm hoping to steal many of the 10 bottles I promised my wife, but just not Schlenkerla.

    Overall Rating: 4/5

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  32. Have you tried Spezial's Maerzen? I think it is the best of their offerings...but for a nice evening settling in at the tavern or the Keller, the Spezial lager is an excellent companion (just not the "old friend" to me that Schlenkerla is!).
  33. Gutes_Bier

    Gutes_Bier Advocate (515) Germany Jul 31, 2011

    I would love to try more of Spezial's offerings, but as of right now I've only had the Rauchbier Lager. And the above website only offered their Rauchbier (as far as I could tell). The only places in Bamberg where I've actually sat down for a few are Schlenkerla, Klosterbräu, and Mahr's (and Ambrosium for a quick waiting-out-the-rain Halbes). I would love to go back and either hit Spezial's tavern or the Keller and sample some of their other stuff.
  34. The Maerzen should be available for mail order somewhere...it's fairly common in the bottle. I checked the site you ordered from, however, and you are correct that they only offer the Lager from Spezial. I did see they offer this: http://www.hier-gibts-bier.de/Bier-aus-Franken/Hoenig-Posthoernla-Spezial::51.html. I am a BIG fan of Hoenig...but I must warn you, their beers are old-school rustic; the Keller is very lightly carbonated but nicely hopped...reminiscent of a pale mild on cask. But delicious either way, if you ask me. Overall that's a great site. Lots and lots of excellent choices there (especially among the Keller- and Lager/Helles biere). Wish I had access. Prost!
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  35. Gutes_Bier

    Gutes_Bier Advocate (515) Germany Jul 31, 2011

    Thanks for the tip, and by all means if you (or anyone else!) see anything else on this website to recommend I'd be happy to hear it. I'm not likely to pay the shipping for a beer I don't know anything about.
  36. Stahlsturm

    Stahlsturm Savant (430) Germany Mar 21, 2005

    She's not ? Your wife is a wimp :p
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  37. Gutes_Bier

    Gutes_Bier Advocate (515) Germany Jul 31, 2011

    ...and yet somehow I am afraid of her...
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  38. Your first purchase was an excellent one! ;) As for other tips...whew, where to start? Maybe by season. And I'll try to keep it at one selection (and things I assume you haven't had yet)...for now.

    Winter: http://www.hier-gibts-bier.de/Bier-...rei-Vierzehnheiligen-Nothelfer-Trunk::40.html
    Spring: http://www.hier-gibts-bier.de/Bier-aus-Franken/Huppendorfer-Vollbier::48.html
    Summer: http://www.hier-gibts-bier.de/Bier-aus-Franken/Hummel-Kellerbier::35.html
    Fall: Give the Hoenig Rauchbier a shot http://www.hier-gibts-bier.de/Bier-aus-Franken/Hoenig-Posthoernla-Spezial::51.html
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  39. Gutes_Bier

    Gutes_Bier Advocate (515) Germany Jul 31, 2011

    I have not had any of those, thanks! And I'm glad you picked the Klosterbrauerei Vierzehnheiligen Nothelfer Trunk Dunkel. I like beers with ridiculously long names. It's one of the reasons I like Weihenstephaner Hefe-wessbier Dunkel so much. Ridiculously long names are an indication of quality, IMO.
  40. Absolutely! More is ALWAYS better! ;)

    Here's a pretty good review of the Nothelfer Trunk: http://www.neubierig.de/2012-05-29/...t-dunkel-der-brauerei-trunk-im-test-1001.html.

    Grab 3-4 and settle in. Prost!