Bayernbiere Bought and Drunk

Discussion in 'Germany' started by boddhitree, Dec 15, 2012.

  1. Stahlsturm

    Stahlsturm Savant (420) Germany Mar 21, 2005

    Well excuse me... I came back to work last Tuesday after a 4 week absence and now my head is filled with such useless stuff like patient data... :p
     
  2. steveh

    steveh Champion (765) Illinois Oct 8, 2003

    Back to that career path in Germany -- 4 weeks. What a slacker. ;)
     
  3. mjtierney2

    mjtierney2 Savant (465) Germany Jul 31, 2011

    This beer is neither Bayrisch nor purchased over the internet, but there are no other good threads for me to brag about it. Brought back by a co-worker of die Frau. Will be enjoying these this weekend, but not tonight. I still have to finish that dopplebock.

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  4. boddhitree

    boddhitree Advocate (630) Germany Apr 13, 2008

    You scored the good stuff! Damn lucky. Please report on how it tastes to you, and if it tastes the same in Ddf.
     
  5. Stahlsturm

    Stahlsturm Savant (420) Germany Mar 21, 2005

    That was merely my layover vacation days from 2012 that I have to take in the first 3 month of the new year so they won't expire. I still have almost 8 weeks of paid vacation for 2013.
     
  6. boddhitree

    boddhitree Advocate (630) Germany Apr 13, 2008

    All of you Amis should be really jealous of the generous legally mandated system in most modern western Euro nations such as German, which is 20 paid days for those working a 5 day work week. (Plus up to 13 national holidays.) That's right... 4 weeks of mandated paid vacation a year. So Strahly took only the "minimum," and many companies add more days on top. Me? I'm a free-lancer, so if don't work, I don't eat, so I gotta work and rarely take more than 2 weeks vacation a year. But my g/f gets 25 a year, and you should be jealous.
     
  7. steveh

    steveh Champion (765) Illinois Oct 8, 2003

    Like I said, slackers.

    ;)

    I actually had 4 weeks vacation at my previous position (lost to the recession) given to me because of experience in my field. I now work at a smaller, family owned business and they're very conservative with their vacation time.

    OTOH, my wife just earned her 4th week of vacation after 12 years in the same job. Just means she has more idle free time when I'm not around... :eek:
     
  8. mjtierney2

    mjtierney2 Savant (465) Germany Jul 31, 2011

    Will do, although to be honest it's been over a year since I've been to Düsseldorf and even then I only had the one while I sat there and chit-chatted with the Köbes. I'm stunned already though, that they list a 26.02.13 filled on date and a 02.04.13 best before date. WTF, five weeks! And I thought Uerige's eight week window was small.

    My drinkin' hand is obviously faster than my (photo) shootin' hand:

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  9. boddhitree

    boddhitree Advocate (630) Germany Apr 13, 2008

    A friend of mine spent an evening there last week with a friend or two. Here's documented verification of the damage.[​IMG]
     
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  10. mjtierney2

    mjtierney2 Savant (465) Germany Jul 31, 2011

    To tie this in to our other conversation(s), this is what I love about Düsseldorf. It's the complete antithesis of what an American thinks he might enjoy - a bar that serves one beer (or maybe two if they have a wheat?), traditionally made, in a city filled with bars that have the same two options. And yet it doesn't look like your friends were "bored" were they? ;)
     
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  11. “ …26.02.13 filled on date and a 02.04.13 best before date. WTF, five weeks!”

    Yup, a 5 weeks best by date for Fushschen and 8 weeks for Uerige Alt beers. It doesn’t even make sense to try and drink these beers imported to the US. That is why I homebrew my Alt beers. That is the only way to get fresh, tasty Alt beers; until I hit the Powerball.;)

    Prost!
     
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  12. steveh

    steveh Champion (765) Illinois Oct 8, 2003

    A friend or two? There are 36 notches on that mat! I hope it was 9 friends... not 4. :eek:

    ('course, if they all stuck to the smallest glass, they may have been a little coherent...)

    Is the 4.50 the cost per each? Yike. Now I really hope that was split 9 ways! :D
     
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  13. The 4.50 will be the cost of something other than beer, orange juice or wine or something. The waiter knows how much a beer costs so why write it down?
     
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  14. steveh

    steveh Champion (765) Illinois Oct 8, 2003

    Because there may be more than one size/price of beer? Honestly don't know, but the point I was really making was THIRTY-SIX BEERS! :eek:
     
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  15. mjtierney2

    mjtierney2 Savant (465) Germany Jul 31, 2011

    Nope, one beer (alt) one size (200 ml). I was thinking the €4,50 might have been a food item? 36 beers split three ways is a healthy amount, mind you, but not what it sounds like. That's 12 per person times 200 ml for 2.4 liters per Kumpel, if there were three of them. That's a almost five "normal" German sized beers, which is more than I could do, but still not as impressive as 12. If there were four Kumpels total, that would be 9 beers per, which would be just under four "normal" German beers, which is still a pretty good night, IMO. In any case, Düsseldorf is awesome, that's the lesson here.

    In other news, the last 500 ml of this two-days-open 1 liter takeaway bottle of dopplebock is not drinking particularly well.

    EDIT: The word "healthy" as used above is not literal.
     
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  16. mjtierney2

    mjtierney2 Savant (465) Germany Jul 31, 2011

    I think you can tell that the Köbes first "scratch" was the one right below the letter "n" in "Füchschen". You can see as the night goes on the scratches start getting smaller and smaller as the Köbes tries to figure out how much more room he's going to need for these guys. :D
     
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    To paraphrase Chief Brody in "Jaws" - "We're gonna need a bigger coaster"

    Prosit!
     
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  18. Altbierbecher contain 250 ml (have got a Füchsen one right here in front of me).
    And the € 4,50 will indeed be a food item.
    If other drinks are consumed that have the same price as the beer, then the waiter will draw a line for that one too.
     
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  19. boddhitree

    boddhitree Advocate (630) Germany Apr 13, 2008

    Wow. I'm happy I amused you with one little Bierdeckel. I asked my friend... 4 drinking companions, the 4,50, well he couldn't remember. All food orders go on a separate piece of paper that the wait staff keeps. I did the heavy research and looked on their website's menu, and the only drink for 4,50 is
    Pfaffmann Nussdorf, pinot gris, dry ........................... 0,20 l ..... ............. 4,50

    The he remembered that his g/f wanted something other than beer.

    Also from the menu:
    Füchschen Alt, a top-fermented beer
    brewed on the premises
    ............................................ 0,25 l .................. 1.80
    (alc. 4.8 % vol.)
     
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  20. mjtierney2

    mjtierney2 Savant (465) Germany Jul 31, 2011

    OK I looked at the menu, too, and sure enough the serving size is listed at 250 ml. Great. Now I have to redo all my maths.
     
  21. Stahlsturm

    Stahlsturm Savant (420) Germany Mar 21, 2005

    I have 32 days of paid vacation every year plus all the national holidays and Fridays (all 52 of them) are only half days which means I go in at 8 amd punch out again at 12.
     
  22. Stahlsturm

    Stahlsturm Savant (420) Germany Mar 21, 2005

    Considering their (miniscule) size that's 5 real 0.5 Liter beers per person which is completely normal for a night. My wife and I were out saturday night and she had 8 just by herself... I had more.

    Edit: So they are quarter liters but with 4 people my above calculation is still almost accurate.
     
  23. steveh

    steveh Champion (765) Illinois Oct 8, 2003

    And that's far more beer I'd choose to put into my (rather healthy) middle-aged body in one sitting. Sowed my wild oats long ago, more into savoring than slamming these days.
     
  24. Stahlsturm

    Stahlsturm Savant (420) Germany Mar 21, 2005

    "Slamming" would mean drinking fast to get drunk. Neither of us was "drunk" in a sense that we were falling around. Obviously neither of us was fit to drive anymore but there's a difference if you drink 8 4.8 % Plank or 8 units of some IIIIIPA or some other superheavy sceensterbrew. I would've likely puked after 3 of the later...
     
  25. mjtierney2

    mjtierney2 Savant (465) Germany Jul 31, 2011

    OK, so my photos suck, but at least they pair well with my sucky reviews. Here goes:

    Füchschen Alt. 500 ml bottle. Bottled on 26.02.13, best before 02.04.13 (Euro-style dating). Consumed on St. Patty's Day, which in Germany is known as March 17th. This was the first "proper" (i.e. Düsseldorfer) Alt I ever had, back in January of 2012 when I went up to Düsseldorf on a lark. I've been in love with this hard-to-find style ever since. It has been over a year, and this is my first chance to revisit Brauerei im Füchschen's take on the style.

    Look is true to style, a healthy pour into a footed pilsner glass yields a beautiful clear copper beer with a fluffy white head. Tastes....almost slightly chalky? A taste one has to get used to, which usually happens around sip number two or three. By the end of the glass I was sad that I promised the second bottle to die Frau. Definitely a beer I will miss when I eventually move back Stateside, and a reminder that I need to get back to Düsseldorf one of these days.

    Overall: A standard bearer for Alts. 4/5

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  26. boddhitree

    boddhitree Advocate (630) Germany Apr 13, 2008

    Maybe we can make a BA meeting there some time? At least to do a pub crawl in D-dorf. My fav. is still Schlüssel Alt, with zum Uerige, zum Füchsen and Schumacher fighting for second.
     
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  27. mjtierney2

    mjtierney2 Savant (465) Germany Jul 31, 2011

    I'm not opposed but it would take a lot of planning for me as I am a stay at home Dad to an 18 month old.
     
  28. Stahlsturm

    Stahlsturm Savant (420) Germany Mar 21, 2005

    Bring the kid along :) As my dad always said "Man muß Kinder frühzeitig an Alkohol gewöhnen" :D
     
  29. mjtierney2

    mjtierney2 Savant (465) Germany Jul 31, 2011

    The biggest problem with the 18 month old is that he won't sit still in a restaurant. After about 10 minutes in the Kinderstuhl he wants nothing more than to run around and explore. I probably wouldn't even finish my first beer and introductions with you all before I'd have to get up and start chasing. Again, I'm not opposed to the idea, but if I do go up to Düsseldorf to meet up I would like to...you know...talk to you all.
     
  30. boddhitree

    boddhitree Advocate (630) Germany Apr 13, 2008

    We WILL need some exercise after a few, right? We could take turns helping him harass the wait staff.
     
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  31. boddhitree

    boddhitree Advocate (630) Germany Apr 13, 2008

    I need to start drinking and evaluating the beers Stahlsturm dropped off at my place, for my g/f is breaking into the stash before I get a chance to drink them. She's already downed one while I was working late.

    So here goes with the first, Winkler Bräu from Langenfeld: Kupfer Spezial. (She'd already killed half the bottle before I was able to rescue it.) Color is dark red-brown: kupfer means "copper," so it's dark red copper. Aroma is malt, Münchner malt, only with some German hops. Flavor is very very malty, Pilner, Müchner malts, quite sweet, not super sweet, but quite sweet nonetheless. I taste hop bitterness in the back but it's like they used just enough to not allow the sweetness overwhelm. Overall, very balanced, Goldilocks in mouthfeel, not too thick or thin. I like it, especially the sweetness of the malts. I wouldn't travel to drink this beer, but if it were in a supermarket, I'd pick it up often.
     
  32. “ …for my g/f is breaking into the stash before I get a chance to drink them.”

    I feel your pain. My wife (who is of Irish descent) will drink a beer I poured when I put it down to do something. I will come back to find a half empty (or is it half full?) glass. When I look at her she will respond: somebody left a beer unattended.

    Tony, do not leave your beer unattended!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Prost!
     
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  33. boddhitree

    boddhitree Advocate (630) Germany Apr 13, 2008

    Forgot to say a huge thank you to you Hart (Stahlsturm) for allowing me to try this beer. Herzlichen Dank. :)
     
  34. boddhitree

    boddhitree Advocate (630) Germany Apr 13, 2008

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    Forgot to add the prerequisite picture of this beer. Also, it can be ordered on line here at
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    which is the sister site to biershop bayern.
     
  35. Stahlsturm

    Stahlsturm Savant (420) Germany Mar 21, 2005

    What one may add about the Winkler is that unfortunately it has taken a somewhat tourist trappy turn in the past decade, possibly owed to it's location right off the Autobahn A 3 at the Velburg exit. Though it hasn't suffered in (beer or drink) quality so far (and I go there frequently to check back) the price range has gone up considerably and is now in the same league as say, the Bischhofshof in Regensburg. Which, compared to the surrounding region is pretty high end with beer prices at 3 EUR a glass. Of course all the Dutch and Danish and whatnot who pass through here on their treck to warmer realms still think it's dirt cheap.

    So, should you ever find yourself taking a run down the A 3, by all means, do check the Winkler :)
    http://www.winkler-braeu.de/home.html
     
  36. einhorn

    einhorn Savant (405) California Nov 3, 2005

    Now this is Bier-Shangri-La

    Ich mache nur Spaß! o_O
     
  37. Stahlsturm

    Stahlsturm Savant (420) Germany Mar 21, 2005

    I realize that half a liter of beer at 3 EUR is dirt cheap to most but around here that's pretty high. You can drink the best beer in little village pubs for (sometimes) 1.90 still.
     
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  38. mjtierney2

    mjtierney2 Savant (465) Germany Jul 31, 2011

    Welde Jahrgangsbier 2013 Version: A German attempt at an English style IPA brewed with Argentinian (Mapuche?) hops. 6.7% ABV, corked and caged 750 ml bottle poured into a ~200 ml (guessing) mini dimpled mug. Also shared with friends and die Frau. Friends teased me that I only drink expensive beer now. I failed to mention the three Oettinger's I had a few weeks back, but alas, the moment is now past.

    It looks great, even when poured into what appears to be a novelty glass (I was not drinking at home). An amber honey color with a nice head and constant stream of carbonation. Tasted...well...almost dead on. I wasn't sure what was wrong. It was a good beer. I asked everyone's opinion and all agreed that it was tasty. Die Frau made a valid observation, "Yeah, it's good...it's got a little sweetness that I'm not used to." I think that might have been it. The back of the bottle mentions a sweet note that is offset by the bitterness. At the same time it tastes OK but also doesn't quite seem right.

    An interesting beer, and one worth trying, however at €8,90 per 750 ml, I don't think I'd buy it again. There is an English novelties store in HD that sometimes has English beers, one that immediately pops to mind is St. Austell's Proper Job which is about €3,00 for a 500 ml bottle if memory serves. For the price of each, I'd lean towards the St. Austell if I were in the mood for an IPA.

    A tough beer to judge because I liked it, but couldn't figure out what I felt was missing. Plus I'd like to give Welde points for trying. As I said in another thread, a German beer that proudly displays "with Argentinian hops!" with no mention of the RHG is definitely something. Let's say 3.25/5

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  39. Stahlsturm

    Stahlsturm Savant (420) Germany Mar 21, 2005



    Yeah, you can get an entire case of your favourite Oettinger for that price... :p
     
  40. boddhitree

    boddhitree Advocate (630) Germany Apr 13, 2008

    I'm measuring out the hops for a super hoppy whirlpooled-hops IPA, which I'll brew tomorrow, but while I'm doing that, I need to tuck into Stahlsturm's stash before my g/f drinks more of them. I'm going to have to hide them in the cellar or they'll be all gone before I've got the chance to write them up.

    Brauerei Berghammer from Oberndorf has a Kupfer [copper] beer, which says it's unfiltriert and naturtrüb [unfiltered] & [naturally cloudy].
    Here's a pic I thought I'd borrow from another blog, The Bitten Bullet, where you can see if my review matches his.
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    It's a dirty white, vanilla-colored head under a red-brown-orange beer, dark copper. Aroma is all malt, caramel, Münchner of course with a hint of bitterness behind it. The initial flavor is sweet and bitter simultaneously. It's sweetness is a pure roasted barley maltiness around the back and front of the tongue, with a slight sourness added in the back, too. I get bitterness on the front and sides. It's got the same not-too-thick, not-too-thin mouthfeel of the Winkler Kupfer. To tell the truth, I can't distinguish the Winkler from the Berghammer Kupfer. This one is slightly bitterer and leaves a bitter, slightly sour aftertaste. Overall, a really good beer, and again, I wouldn't travel to get it, or order a lot of it online, but if I were in the area, I'd love to try it fresh on tap.
     
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