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Beer Institute: Most Expensive Ingredient in Beer is Taxes

Discussion in 'Beer News' started by yemenmocha, Sep 28, 2012.

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  1. yemenmocha

    yemenmocha Member

    Location:
    Arizona
    http://www.cnbc.com/id/49197369

    Seems like a lot of skeptical people on this topic when it comes up in the forums. Glad it is in the news and receiving some attention.
  2. sjstraub

    sjstraub Member

    Location:
    Wisconsin
    As well it should be. It's an unhealthy luxury good. Beer, cigarettes, liquor, candy, soda, etc should all be taxed to high hell. Think about it this way, would you lower the beer tax to increase the tax on milk? Nope. That would be insanity.
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  3. herrburgess

    herrburgess Member

    Location:
    South Carolina
    It's the first thing you hear when you ask how German beer can remain so inexpensive: they tax it at a far lower rate than the (puritanical) U.S.A.
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  4. UCLABrewN84

    UCLABrewN84 Member

    Location:
    California
  5. luwak

    luwak Member

    Location:
    Arizona
    WORD. I'd gladly pay more taxes on my unneeded items like beer to free up sources for incentives for those who produce needed goods.
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  6. emannths

    emannths Member

    Location:
    Massachusetts
    The excise tax applied to beer is minuscule. The analysis includes sales taxes and business taxes which apply to all business, whether they sell beer or teddy bears, and amounts to at least 75% of the taxes in question.

    I'd think the Beer Institute's lobbying dollars would be more effectively spent on reducing the red tape and bureaucracy that do relatively little to protect the public, yet are the cause of massive headaches for people in the industry and a reduction of consumer choice. But of course, once you're on the right side of the red tape, you've got a lot less incentive to lobby against it.

    Oh, how about the bomber tax? Does that count? Their analysis assumes $0.09/oz, or about $2/bomber. So if you include the bomber tax that makes the bottle $8, then taxes are a HUGE part of the equation. ;)
  7. Bond111

    Bond111 Member

    Location:
    Minnesota
    Here in Rochester Minnesota, tax on beer/booze is 9.875%. I understand cigarettes because they are dumb, but the nectar of the gods?!?
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  8. jesskidden

    jesskidden Member

    Location:
    New Jersey
    For some examples re: emannths point, on a 12 oz. bottle of beer from a smaller "craft" brewery (under 60,000 bbl./yr), the Federal Excise Tax accounts for 2¢ (and that's rounded up, based on the reduced rate of $7/bbl.) of the price.

    State beer excise beer taxes vary quite a bit but in most cases it still only adds a few cents per bottle - Alaska's is highest (over a $1/gallon) and costs around a dime per 12 ounce.
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  9. dgilks

    dgilks Member

    Location:
    Australia
    Alcohol taxes in the US are so obscenely low it isn't funny. We pay close to $1 in excise on a 12oz bottle here in Australia compared to your 2c.
  10. n2185

    n2185 Member

    Location:
    North Carolina
    I don't really mind since those roads that are used to get both the beer and myself to the stores, bars, and breweries won't pay for themselves.
  11. jesskidden

    jesskidden Member

    Location:
    New Jersey
    Well, now, to be fair that 2¢/12 oz. bottle figure is only for breweries under 60k bbl/yr- over that, it jumps up to a nickel a bottle/can! :eek:
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  12. DonDirkA

    DonDirkA Member

    Location:
    Arizona
    I would increase the tax on milk to lower the beer tax. But I'm lactose intolerant, so I don't really give a damn :)
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  13. DonDirkA

    DonDirkA Member

    Location:
    Arizona
    I lived in Flagstaff, AZ and I am from Tucson, AZ. AZ state sales tax is now 9.1% on anything. Flagstaff tax on booze, restaurants and hotels is something like 10.8% if I remember correctly. So my $20 bomber would cost over $2 extra :(
  14. dauss

    dauss Member

    Location:
    Colorado
    Meh. The tax rate here is comparatively low. It's not to say that it isn't high, but we have other serious problems leftover from Prohibition that should be fixed first(some are applicable to some states, some aren't).

    Why am I not able to buy beer at the brewery for on premise consumption?
    Why can't breweries self distribute?
    Why can't I buy beer after certain time?
    Why can't I buy more than pints?
    Why can't a brewery sell wholesale if they sell food?
    If a brewpub sells food, why is there a minimum % of sales that has to come from food?

    So on and so forth....
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  15. rlcoffey

    rlcoffey Member

    Location:
    Kentucky
    Disagree. Legal products should all be taxed exactly the same. And more products should be legal.
  16. rlcoffey

    rlcoffey Member

    Location:
    Kentucky
    Not just state excise taxes either. KY has a relatively low excise tax rate, but an 11% distributor tax on alcohol. You see the charts of excise tax by state and it shows KY as one of the lowest, but that is BS, because of the distributor tax.
  17. rlcoffey

    rlcoffey Member

    Location:
    Kentucky
    That pdf is wrong. KY added the sales tax for off-premise sales a few years back, Im pretty sure BEFORE that came out, but close. The chose was between bumping up the 11% wholesale tax a few points or adding the sales tax in. The legislature chose the sales tax because customers were used to paying it, so wouldnt really notice.

    Edit: That KY change went in April 1, 2009, the pdf is dated Jan 1, 2010.
  18. jesskidden

    jesskidden Member

    Location:
    New Jersey
    My comment above, quoting and elaborating on emmanths', concerned only Federal and State beer excise taxes- taxes unique to beer, unlike general sales taxes (that consumers pay), property taxes, payroll taxes that both breweries and other business pay, or wholesalers taxes.

    I guess you can always contact that website - Federation of Tax Administrators- contact page
  19. otispdriftwood

    otispdriftwood Member

    Location:
    New York
    Taxes - a convenient thing that EVERYBODY can complain about since EVERYBODY thinks they pay too much whether they are rich, poor, or somewhere in the middle. Now I dislike taxes as much as the next guy but even if taxes were lowered across the board, there would still be people who think they pay too much. And besides, statistics can be presented in many ways, or misrepresented entirely. Just like opinion polls, which I really think are misleading.
  20. rlcoffey

    rlcoffey Member

    Location:
    Kentucky
    They have been informed. But you shouldnt rely on such crappy out-of-date info. :)
  21. jesskidden

    jesskidden Member

    Location:
    New Jersey
    As errors go, an easy enough one to fix - a little Liquid Paper™ * and the footnote * Sales tax is applied to on-premise sales only is gone.

    * Yeah, 20th century technology - something tells me
    most Tax Administrators are most comfortable with that
    and I bet they used to buy the stuff by the 5 gallon bucket..
  22. billandsuz

    billandsuz Member

    Location:
    New York
    given that many people are in agreement that the tax on beer is actually relatively low, this data only points out that the ingredients for beer are cheap. it's not like we are not aware that beer is 98% water.

    if brewers have a hard time convincing a bunch of beer nerds that they pay too much tax, well, God bless them in their efforts to convince Congress.
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  23. drabmuh

    drabmuh Member

    Location:
    Maryland
    Are there any products available in the US where the cost of the product isn't made up primarily of taxes?
  24. FunkyMacGroovin

    FunkyMacGroovin Member

    Location:
    California
    Most of them, I would assume.
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  25. stupac2

    stupac2 Member

    Location:
    California
    I would actually ask "Is there any product available in the US where most of the cost is taxes?" This isn't Europe, we don't have a VAT and consumption taxes are quite small.
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  26. FunkyMacGroovin

    FunkyMacGroovin Member

    Location:
    California
    Cigarettes?
  27. coreyfmcdonald

    coreyfmcdonald Member

    Location:
    Georgia
    I know this is exaggeration on your part, but the ingredients outside of water make up more than an order of magnitude more than 2% by weight, volume, and cost.
  28. jesskidden

    jesskidden Member

    Location:
    New Jersey
    It was 4% in 1996, according to Consumer Reports. (Obviously this chart is based on "macro" breweries' costs, but those companies are also the ones that The Beer Institute represents).

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  29. coreyfmcdonald

    coreyfmcdonald Member

    Location:
    Georgia
    Sorry - my post wasn't clear. He said beer was made up 98% of water, so I was responding to his post on the actual ingredients used to make the liquid, but I now realize even this is a bit subjective.
  30. stupac2

    stupac2 Member

    Location:
    California
    Hah, yeah that could be one. Though I think it would depend on the state.
  31. leedorham

    leedorham Member

    Location:
    Washington
    To really understand the impact of sin taxes you need to understand what additional taxes are levied on the product. Basically - how much more in tax does it cost you to sell a 12 ounce bottle of beer vs a 12oz bottle of water?

    I don't have the answer, but that's definitely the right question. It would vary from state to state, of course.
  32. jesskidden

    jesskidden Member

    Location:
    New Jersey
    The Beer Institute has a number of studies on this topic (they used to have a separate website, too, but I've forgotten the name of it).

    EDIT- It's the joint website they run with the distributors organization, the NBWA - called Beer Serves America. Their Tax explanation page is here.​

    In pdf The Tax Burden on the Brewing Industry (2005) they print this chart:

    Total Consumer Cost Per “Bottle” (12 ounces) $1.16

    Breakdown of 40.6% of cost that is taxes:

    Beer-specific taxes $0.08
    Other sales, excise and direct taxes $0.17
    Federal income, payroll, and other taxes $0.20
    State and local income, payroll, and other taxes $0.02

    Sum of Taxes $0.47


    And the report also notes that "In comparison, total Federal, state, and local taxes equal 24.2% of all other purchases in the U.S."

    Their definition of Tax Burden includes:
    • Taxes paid at all stages of production, distribution, and sales;
    • Taxes related to sales, income, profits, and payroll;
    • Taxes paid to Federal, state, or local governments;
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  33. chefkevlar

    chefkevlar Member

    Location:
    South Carolina
    Beer drinkers are more likely to watch the presidential debates than the World Series or the NFL? Well now I know that whole report is made up
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  34. mylar

    mylar Member

    Location:
    Pennsylvania
    Gasoline
  35. stupac2

    stupac2 Member

    Location:
    California
    Nope.
  36. afrokaze

    afrokaze Member

    Location:
    California
    Lower beer taxes, raise cigarette taxes. Problem solved.
  37. dgs

    dgs Member

    Location:
    Pennsylvania
    I'm not sure I've seen the skepticism, but...

    My problem is not the tax, but the comments by some that beer is more expensive in PA than other states because of taxes. I just don't think that is the situation. It is, what I perceive, the the high distributor/retail markup in PA that bothers me. A case of Sam Adams Boston Lager (brewed here in PA) would cost me about $8-10 more in PA than across the border in NJ or DE. That is not due to taxes.
  38. Skoallrebel

    Skoallrebel Member

    not just the taxes but state federal and local excise taxes, sales tax and the bottle deposit. All of that goes straight to the government!
  39. cavedave

    cavedave Member

    Location:
    New York
    As a libertarian/objectivist I find it immensely offensive that one person's morality can be imposed on another person via a punitive increase in the cost of a product.

    Those who feel morally opposed to beer are absolutely. completely, unanimously, unopposedly, and forever empowered never to buy any.
  40. alpineclimber

    alpineclimber Member

    Location:
    Alberta (Canada)
    Then you will definetly not like what happens in Canada with the taxation on items such as alcohol and cigarettes, which all goes to the federal government and helps fund our universal health care system. The tax on these products is very high, if you have ever been to Canada then it would be very obvious to you.

    I am not opposed to this form of taxation. But if my beer is taxed and I know how to moderate my consumption, than I want other so called unhealthy products to be taxed as well, such as junk food.
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