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Bourbon County '12 bottle date variation

Discussion in 'Cellaring / Aging Beer' started by Arbitrator, Feb 2, 2013.

  1. Arbitrator

    Arbitrator Initiate (0) California Nov 26, 2008

    Has anyone else done a side-by-side of different bottling dates (presumably different batches) of BCBS '12?

    I've been drinking the 09/06/12 date for the past couple of weeks, including a bottle last night. It's sublime: very forward vanilla character and general sweetness with mild heat. We were jokingly referring to this as the "Pappy bottling date."

    Tonight, I'm having an 09/17/12 date. The vanilla is less forward; it's more tannic and caramelly, with slightly more heat than the 09/06 date.

    They're still fundamentally BCBS, but they don't taste the same to me. Has anyone else encountered this difference? Are there other bottling dates with further differences?

    This is not a complaint thread, so please don't suggest that I should e-mail the brewery. I am just looking for other experiences.
     
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  2. strangebrew321

    strangebrew321 Savant (380) Indiana Feb 18, 2009

    Ha! I'm glad you mentioned this. I've been drinking these two batches for a while now. The 9\6\12 is very vanilla forward, a real BCBS gem. The 9\17 is very chocolate forward, but still very good. Though last week I tasted both and they seemed much more similar to each other than before....
     
  3. harrymel

    harrymel Initiate (0) Washington Dec 15, 2010

    I have the same two dates, and also noticed the tannic character in the 17th. I was taken a bit, so I did a second side by side a couple weeks later, semi blind (wife poured 'em) and it didn't take more than a moment to note the difference. I think it's there, even if we sound crazy to some folks. I also felt the 6th had more of a mineral character.
     
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  4. Kwaz

    Kwaz Aficionado (145) Illinois Mar 31, 2012

    I didn't have them side by side, but I have had both an 8/23 and a 9/6. It's possible it was my imagination but I felt the 8/23 had a slightly astringent quality (really splitting hairs here) while I felt the 9/6 was everything that embodies the awesomeness of Bourbon County for me.
     
  5. iso: of 2012 BCBS 09/06/12!!! :)
     
  6. i have to go check my bottles in the cellar hope its 9/6 on them
     
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  7. Sneers

    Sneers Savant (385) Pennsylvania Dec 27, 2009

    That's an interesting observation. I'd expect to brewery to be blending batches from different barrels, accounting for exactly this, to keep the product consistent. If you have any left, maybe try them side-by-side to see if it wasn't just you.
     
  8. If anoyone is familiar with GI's Fulton St. Brewery possibly they could chime in...

    Just a possible scenario for and example. The beer is brewed in 100bbl batches and fermented in either a 100bbl fermenter, or 200bbl and , maybe even 300bbl. Each fermentation will have it's respective fermentation byproducts. The base beer starts at 30* Plato which is HUGE! The yeast is stressed by the gravity and towards the end the alcohol.

    So just guessing they are blending somewhere between 80 to 240 bourbon barrels per bottling run. The barrels are probably several different types (young and old, different bourbons etc.) What goes into one bottling run will most likely not be what goes into the next etc.

    Bottling date all bottles should be consistent... Comparing different bottling dates...base beer should be close but barrel character could shift quite a bit but remain in ballpark...
     
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  9. BrettHead

    BrettHead Advocate (535) Nebraska Sep 18, 2010

    I have 9/26 and 11/12 (or 11 something not going to check right now). There is some definite difference with me preferring the 9/26 but they are both still fabulous beers. I'll compare them sooner or later and get back with something more specific.
     
  10. immobilisme

    immobilisme Savant (400) Illinois Nov 8, 2005

    Back in November I had '11 BCBS, and the 8/23, 9/6, and 9/17 bottling dates from '12 within two days of each other.

    The '11 and 9/6/12 bottles were significantly superior to the three of us who tried them side-by-side.

    The 8/23 and 9/17 seemed much hotter straight out of the gate. It will be interesting to see how all of these age.
     
  11. to the original post, haven't had the fortune to compare varied bottle dates.


    also factor in it seems to be common knowledge GI bled in a small percentage of the wheated bourbon barrel aged base.

    on top of what you illustrated, we could also wonder if the addition was exact each batch & whether or not the wheated version tasted exactly the same (each time) in its own batch form - before being bled into each actual bottling batch.
     
  12. crusian

    crusian Advocate (620) Oregon May 14, 2010

    Arnt these aged in barrels... meaning 1 barrel? So it is safe to assume that barrel to barrel characteristics are different... so bottle dates are irrelevant, as they would bottle say, 100 barrels that day... so you have a 1 in 100 chance of getting that great tasting barrel...
    Then you have the possibility of multiple batches in one barrel, half barrel from one fermentor, etc. So... yeah, beats me. Just tossing it out.
     
  13. HopHead84

    HopHead84 Champion (915) California Nov 29, 2006

    They blend the beer. They don't bottle single barrels.
     
  14. If I understand what you are saying...each barrel is bottled individually? No way that could even be feasible! They 'dump' the contents of say at least a 100 into a conditioning tank, chill it to 32*F carbonate it and send it to the bottling line. It would take 'forever' to do it any other way.

    I just saw HopHead84 reply...and what he said too.
     
  15. crusian

    crusian Advocate (620) Oregon May 14, 2010

    Makes more sense than my dumb ass thoughts for sure.
     
  16. Willbfun

    Willbfun Aficionado (150) New York Sep 28, 2012

    I have an empty 9/20/12 but I've had loose bottles of it a few times. Not sure which one I'm still holding exactly. I have a cherry rye bomber that's 11/12/12 that replaced that empty on a little pedestal & the coffee stout that is also 11/12/12 though cherry rye came in early December the coffee a few weeks ago (jersey). 1st time I had 12 oz of Bourbon County was on Oct. 12 followed by Widmer Bros SXNW according to my dell web cam pics. I was quite happy. happy tippling.
     
  17. lulz @ 50/50 brewer commenting on bottle variation. you know a lot about this, eh? ;)
     
  18. Arbitrator

    Arbitrator Initiate (0) California Nov 26, 2008

    So I had an 08/23/12 last night. To compare notes:

    08/23/12: slightly 'meaty', almost mocha-like (I'd attribute that to higher roast and chocolate). It was a little warm, but not hot.

    09/06/12: very vanilla-forward, with pronounced bourbon flavor, but the least heat of the 3 I've tried.

    09/17/12: more caramelly (I'd say that's the bourbon speaking out), but less vanilla, and more heat than the 09/06/12 date.

    I dig the first two the most. I'm considering mixing these into a [blind] vertical and seeing how the results shake out. I bet they'd be pretty interesting.

    I see there's a 9/26 and an 11/xx date -- I'll have to keep my eye out for those. It's pretty fun to track the little nuances from date to date. I've been doing that for some Russian River beers, but it's clear that even larger breweries can't fully tamp down the natural variations of beer.
     
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  19. Andygirl

    Andygirl Savant (280) Michigan Jan 3, 2013

    I have a 9/20. Very carmelly sweet on the front, coffee on the back, not very boozy.
     
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  20. poopinmybutt

    poopinmybutt Savant (280) Nebraska May 25, 2005

    mine are 8/11 and 9/26
     
  21. mattafett

    mattafett Savant (465) Iowa Mar 9, 2009

    all of mine are 11/08/12
     
  22. meanmutt

    meanmutt Champion (765) Ohio Feb 6, 2012

    I've got some 9/26/12 and some 11/08/12. I haven't drank any of the 11/08/12 bottles yet, but this thread has me wanting to do a side by side comparison.
     
  23. I've got 9/6, 9/20, 9/26, and 11/8. I thought the 9/26 was hot, while the 9/20 I drank last night was pretty close to perfect. Thankfully, I have a ton of 9/6 and I'll update when I take one down. I have one 11/8 outlier and have no idea how it's drinking, but agree that different bottling dates = subtle variations in heat and flavor forward notes.
     
  24. BeastLU

    BeastLU Advocate (540) Virginia Dec 20, 2012

    Obviously AB fucked up all the other batches except the 9/6.
     
  25. Scotty

    Scotty Aficionado (210) Maryland Jun 29, 2012

    Wasn't this already discussed when the '12 first came out?
     
  26. captwalt

    captwalt Disciple (70) Maryland Feb 15, 2011

    This makes me fell much better. A friend brought some by in early Dec. and my wife and I went nuts for this stuff. It was absolutely fantastic. A few weeks ago he saw it at a store and got me a 4 pack. We were very excited for this but it just wasn't the same, most noteably much more heat from the alcohol which seemed to dull many of the more delicate complex flavors. It wasn't bad but definately different. i never guessed that they would be bottles from different batches but this explains a lot.
     
  27. Bookmaked this thread a while back for when I got my 2012 bottles in. So far, compared 9/26 and and 11/8 and much, much prefer the 11/8. The 9/26 is a lot more boozey and rough around the edges, whereas the 11/8 is very smooth and balanced. Not sure how much age will change this though. I will say that I was suprised to see that batch variation is at least, if not more, greater than the vintage variation. That is, comparing 2010 to 2011 BCBS is the same amount of differece to comparing 9/26 and 11/8.
     
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  28. 9/6 is creamy vanilla smooth..best of the dates ive had....I thought 8/23 was pretty hot out of the gate but just had one a couple weeks ago and I think age has done it well...starting to smooth out
     
  29. CORRECTION - replace 9/26 with 9/20 in the above. It's 9/20 that I opened and compared to 11/8.
     
  30. chussein

    chussein Initiate (0) Jun 18, 2013

    I don't have any of these in my cellar, would love to add some. Need a Bourbon County contact - message me. :)
     

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