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Can we get some goddamn Cantillon for the holidays?

Discussion in 'US - New England' started by sk8man121, Dec 3, 2012.

  1. sk8man121

    sk8man121 Savant (280) Maine Aug 24, 2007

    Seriously. Maine. Cantillon shipment before December 25th. IT HAS TO HAPPEN.

    ...that is all.
     
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  2. Patrick

    Patrick Initiate (0) Massachusetts Aug 13, 2007

    You could drive down to MA. Seems like every other month we get some.
     
  3. AdamP

    AdamP Savant (395) Pennsylvania Mar 26, 2012

    Where? I've seen posts about Julio's, but that's about it. Any places in the metro-Boston area?
     
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  4. Patrick

    Patrick Initiate (0) Massachusetts Aug 13, 2007

    I don't ever look for it so I can't speak for Boston, but I was talking about Julio's.
     
  5. The last 2 times Julio's got some it sold out in less than an hour. I wouldn't waste the gas and time to come to MA looking for Cantillon. Pretty much have to know someone at this point.
     
  6. Patrick

    Patrick Initiate (0) Massachusetts Aug 13, 2007

    I don't remember that being true.


    Also Redstone had some recently.
     
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  7. Last julios shipment some lasted until the next day buy that was the first shipment I recall in about a year.
     
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  8. yea but their raffle/distribution system is wack. the last 3 times they've had something I was interested in they did their raffle along w/ a bunch of other beer I wasn't interested it. i went there, played their game and was turned away because I didn't 'choose' the right ticket. i won't return. It's frustrating - they tweet they have something, I show up and can see it behind the counter, while no-one else is in the store, and they deny my sale. that system is busted.....as I said, I won't return.
     
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  9. I would call their system more fair (this is coming from somebody who also never won). They give EVERYBODY that comes in a shot at some ridiculously rare beers. Sounds like sour grapes on your part.
     
  10. I also have never won a Redstone raffle, and I am very pleased with it. Pretty much the only way us normal people can get loons in Mass now... Never been in a store where I could even SEE a bottle before.
     
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  11. Yea, I remember that now, it probably lasted because of that snowstorm that caused havoc on the roads of Worcester and Shrewsbury. I guess I was dramatic in saying an hour but I remember a shipment very early in 2012 where I got the last bottle after work and that was an hour after they announced it on Facebook. I really don't think it has hit a shelf or lasted more than 2-3 days at Julio's since about mid-late 2010. And this year specifically it has been around VERY infrequently. It is basically reacting to a Twitter post within the same night, having extreme luck or knowing a local beer guy at this point. I've been working right down the street from Julio's for just over 2 years now and I think I have gotten Cantillon on 3 occasions, single bottle limits each time. There really just isn't that much to go around and it seems like bars get the first chance to buy it for special events and such, which is fine by me. I basically just consider it a lost cause and am that much happier if I get lucky and come across a bottle. But I guess if people want to drive across the state to Julio's in search of Cantillon, they can go ahead and try.

    I definitely agree. I don't see how anyone can have a problem with a raffle system. It is fair and gives everyone a chance to get a nice beer.
     
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  12. The only "recent" shipment previous to a few weeks ago I recall was last year I think and Julios got Fou Foune, Lou Pepe Gueuze and Classic Gueuze. I'm usually pretty hip to these releases but maybe I missed one.
     
  13. Tlo

    Tlo Zealot (95) Maine Feb 26, 2007

    As a matter of fact, several retailers in Maine did get some Cantillon last week.
     
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  14. since there are 800 massholes on BA...y'all could just get a group and order from one of the online places.
    Cost is basically the same / slightly cheaper once it is shipped.
     
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  15. We don't take kindly to your sound logic around here.
     
  16. emannths

    emannths Savant (400) Massachusetts Sep 21, 2007

    I'm sure CBP wouldn't give second thought to what might be the worlds largest single shipment of "yeast samples" ever.
     
  17. Brez07

    Brez07 Initiate (0) Maine Sep 29, 2009

    It's become one of those things you need to know someone or be in the right place at the right time. A few people I know just got some from a shipment that arrived in Maine on Friday
     
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  18. LostTraveler

    LostTraveler Savant (375) Maine Oct 28, 2011

    I havent even heard of it hitting shelves and I know of an establishment that spoke with a Shelton Bro rep and they said their allotment is already allocated to other places and "they get them all"
     
  19. Onizilla

    Onizilla Aficionado (225) New York Apr 25, 2009

    I can't begin to describe my hatred that you can ever see it on shelves in MA, Here in NY I get to look at it all in the inventory but am denied the ability to order it because it's "for restaurant/bar sale only." :mad:
     
  20. Sour grapes? perhaps - I dont deny that & your opinion and that is certainly welcome. I'm personally put off by their raffles. I drove there on Black Friday (as I said, my 3rd attempt at these raffles) in hopes of buying Cantillon. I wasn't close but felt compelled to do so - as mentioned in this thread, it is difficult to find in MA. No suprises there. I get Red Stone and they have Cantillon - great. I pull a raffle ticket for Bolt Cutter - I didn't drive there for Barleywine. My wife pulled a raffle ticket for Victory Baltic Porter - WTF? Neither of those beers are anything like Cantillon. To drive there for a chance to buy some Cantillon only to be offered something entirely different. They also had Frangelic Mtn Brown in the raffle. The folks that run the shop are great. I just find the raffle distribution system odd as they are lumping together limited beers in hopes of moving them all. I don't buy beers simply because they are limited - I buy them based off my taste & the reccommendations of beer geek buddies I know & trust.


    Anyway - I'm sure they will have a raffle for Cherry Rye & Coffee variants.....and I'm sure ill go back to pull a raffle ticket. Fingers crossed that my 4th time changes this streak - but you have to wonder what other beers they will lump into their raffle.
     
  21. Patrick

    Patrick Initiate (0) Massachusetts Aug 13, 2007

    I think you are missing the point of the raffle.
     
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  22. I thought I saw somewhere that they weren't getting regular bcbs, so I doubt they will get the variants
     
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  23. Be glad you pulled a chance to win anything. I went down with my brother and his gf. They both pulled blank tickets and I'm sure they woul gladly have bought either beers you won over nothing. Also it's not as if they said this is only fr cantillon. The other beers were clearly stated to be in the raffle.
     
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  24. I bet a certain, unnamed store in Bangor will have it for few weeks. Thats what happened last year.
     
  25. So you're complaining that you were offered a chance to buy something, basically? Would it have made it better if they had the same number of tickets and the same number of loons but no tickets for anything else? So your odds of getting a loon are EXACTLY THE SAME, but you just don't get offered anything else? It's not like you're required to buy the beer if you draw it, which I would be pretty pissed about if it was the case.

    "lumping together limited beers in hopes of moving them all"? You're acting like Redstone would have a hard time selling through their stock of Bolt Cutter. I can assure you, this is not the case. They understand that MOST OF THE TIME, those of us going after the loons also probably would enjoy something cool like a Bolt Cutter. Hell, they had a Westy 12 in the raffle last time, for a penny! If you had drawn that, would you have been all pissed?

    Your argument just doesn't make sense.
     
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  26. Appreciate the kinds words about the us and our store and you making the trip over to us but like many stores we simply do not have enough of these beers when they come in to take care of everyone. The reason we lump all of these beers into one raffle is so one person does not come in and grab all of the supply. beers like victory Red Thunder(baltic thunder aged in red wine barrels, bolt cutter, cantillion, parabola, westy, etc. do not come around all too often and with this raffle we were able to take care of 43 of our customers, by doing that 40 more people did not get a beer, but at least a chance at one that would not last 10 min on the shelves otherwise. We do not need to lump in these beers to move them at once, as we are lucky enough to have customers that would buy them. We have also tried to release cantillion by simply putting it on the shelf at other times but our regulars get the shaft as people will drive at lengths just to. for lack of a better term "cherry pick" and they are gone by the time they get there.

    We welcome new customers but also greatly appreciate our regulars, trying to find a balance to please everyone can be difficult as with running a business we need these items to "draw" in potential new customers in hopes that they may make the drive out of the way for Cantillion or other rarities and see our selection and pasison for beer and become a familiar face or think of us next time they are looking for something.

    That being said, I hope to see you the next time we do one of these or sooner and wish you luck that you pick a Cantillion.

    -Kamal
     
  27. LostTraveler

    LostTraveler Savant (375) Maine Oct 28, 2011

    Negative... all gone
     
  28. I've pretty much given up hope. I think I bought one bottle in the last 12 months. Thank goodness for the Canada connect... beyond that I think I'm just going to go in for a belgium box in the new year.

    Anyone in RI want to pool our $$$ let me know.
     
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  29. F2brewers

    F2brewers Moderator (440) Massachusetts Mar 12, 2005 Staff Member

    As mentioned above, you do understand the concept of a raffle, right? Noone was guaranteed *anything* much less a bottle of Cantillon. The list posted below (prior to the start of the raffle) clearly shows that both Bolt Cutter and Red Thunder were not only on the list but were the most likely (single bottle) to be pulled. It's not like the information provided intimated that the raffle was Cantillon only.

    Their Facebook (also linked from Twitter) posted from the 22nd read (sic):

    "So as promised tomorrow for black friday we will be releasing 6 different types of Cantillion, founders bolt cutter, a couple parabola, some alesmith decadence and a few more surprises. in an effort to make this the most fair to our customers there will be 80 tickets put into a bag 30 of which will be winners. the winning tickets will have the name of the beer you get to buy written on the back. tickets will be available at 12pm (No earlier) and limit one pull per customer.....As a bonus all packaged gift sets(both beer & liquor sets) will be 10% off tomorrow only. Good luck"

    It's even clear that *some* tickets would not win at all. But the actual number of winning beers was 40 (initially) as indicated in this post (sic):

    "Here is what will be included in todatys raffle: 1 btl of Westy 12(winner will get this for a penny), cantillion(2 fou found, 2 iris, 2 classic Gueuze, 2 cuvee saint- gilloise, 2 bruocella 1900 grand cry, 2 rose de gambrinus) 1 founders frangelic mountain brown, 12 founders bolt cutters, 1 firestone parabola, 1, oerbier reserva(2010) 12 victory red thunders(baltic thunder aged in red wine barrels) 40 winning tickets out of 80!"

    Addiitional beers (three bottles of Alesmith Decadence maple smokeD) were later added to boost the number of winners to 43.

    Also clearly listed (and pictured on Twitter).

    Few shops would have trouble moving any of these beers.

    The raffle provided the following:

    1) Advance notice of the conditions of the raffle
    2) The list of beers and number available
    3) The time and place that they were available

    It's about as fair a system as it gets for some very limited beers.

    Full disclosure: I did not participate in this raffle, but have participated (and won) in the past.

    Cantillon is not the only lambic brewer/blender or gueuze blender for sale at Redstone. You could just as easilly have chosen beers from 3F, Oud Beersel, Hanssens, Girardin, Timmermans (Oude Gueuze and maybe (?) pumpkin lambic) and Boon among the more traditional lambic/gueuze style producers from Belgium along with a host of other beers that might appeal to the preference for sour flavor (Rodenbach, Cuvee Des Jacobins Rouge, Bellegems Bruin, Liefmans etc.) that were on the shelf. You may have gone for the 'loons, but the other options aren't too shabby (particularly if barleywines or baltic porters aren't your thing).
    That's funny, because in post #8 above, you said you wouldn't return.

    Your post really is sour grapes and represents the sort of rampant and pervasive entitlement currently so in vogue here on BA.

    It's just beer.

    Enjoy it and enjoy stores like Redstone that are passionate about beer, try to give customers the best possible options and are supportive and knowledgeable about the produces they choose to sell.

    -Kevin.
     
  30. If you pull a ticket for something you don't want - you don't have to buy it.
     
  31. BobCobb

    BobCobb Savant (355) Illinois Jul 10, 2012

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  32. Hey Kamal - thanks for the reply and explanation of the raffle. You and your store are a real class-act - I really appreciate it and you know I'll be back even though I said I wouldn't ;)


    wow Kevin - that was an awesome reply and use of quotes! impressed.....


    to all the others who expressed dis-satisfaction with my opinion - sorry you feel that way but i was simply was just stating my opinion. I don't enjoy the raffle system - that's it. I've known Kamal for nearly 2 years now and it's his store and his raffles. His explanation makes a lot of sense to me and I appreciate him sharing it....but I still don't have to like it.


    anyway: carry on you wayward sons......
     
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  33. amp138

    amp138 Savant (295) Rhode Island Dec 21, 2011

    I'm in RI - the only store I have ever seen cantillon at is B&C. They just sold me an Iris yesterday.
     
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  34. I may be interested in going in on an RI box if this happens.

    I was fortunate to grab two bottles of St Lam and a bottle of Iris this year, but really wish the Gueuze was much easier to pick up. Haven't tried anything else besides the Kriek so far and would love to try out some of their other offerings.
     
  35. Sure - start drinking a ton of High & Mighty beer. :eek:)

    I remember 12 years ago shelves being loaded with all sorts of Cantillion....which I would ignore (for the most part) at a $15 price tag. D'oh.

    I'm afraid you need to plan a quick Belgium trip.
     

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