Discussion in 'Great Lakes' started by Tnudish, Jan 3, 2013.
RIP Greg, thanks for keeping the spirit alive.
Sorry to hear that. what time did you get there? I got there at 1:30 and got my 15 at 4:00. They said there was 32 cases left at that point.
Any one know if they sold out of their other offerings like PM or BBBW? I saw lots of cases going out the door.
LOCALS GOT SHUT OUT.
Seems like the VIPs did well tho
Let's start the debate. Is it ok for locals to shut our everyone else? If someone "from Chicago" gets "60" bottles OMG LOCALS GOT SHUT OUT, but when locals get multiple allotments each it's ok?
I frankly don't care either way.
I was lucky enough to be able to buy 4 bottles of 15. I was in line by 2:30 and got to the end of the line at 4:30. After talking to a number of people, it seems like many of the VIP members were able to buy many more than the 6 they should have been able to purchase (2 during the VIP session & 4 after 3).
I'm just an interested bystander. Reading this thread it just seems like the VIPs made out pretty well. I never saw what qualified a 'VIP' but curious as to the criteria. Seems it might have been "Friends, distributors, industry connected individuals, etc". Common people get screwed again (local or otherwise)?
It was a bit crowded, but a really fun event overall. Shame on whoever took BEERMEFITZ's Anna and opened it without asking him or give him a pour. Normally, I don't care enough to say anything about that kinda stuff, but Tim is one of the absolutely nicest people in the community and he is the last person that should ever have this happen to him/her
So here is what I believe happened, as an observer who was 10th in line getting there at 1pm. Brewery had the best of intentions to have a distributor/liquor store (VIP) event before the regular event. However people realized that it was not under the best of controls and could essentially walk right in and buy 15 multiple times. The brewery trusted people who took advantage of the situation at the expense of others. I heard one person brag about being able to buy 17 bottles, but he rationalized it because he had "multiple trading partners". I was able to get my allocation so was one of the lucky few.
Will say the party was great, CW throws a great party but too bad people took advantage of them.
The thing about VIPs, they are very important.
I completely agree. Some people decided to take advantage of the VIP party and sneak in (the VIP party was only meant for central waters' accounts). To make matters worse, they continued to get back in line to get more 15 as the brewery had no method to make sure that "vip's" that had already purchased their 2 bottles of 15 didn't just get back in line and buy more. Long story short, certain people like "mista" decided to not only sneak in as "vip's" bit continue to go back in during the vip party for more, at the expense of the honest BA's waiting inI line. Central waters counted on the honesty of its customers and, unfortunately, some of their customers were not honest and took advantage of their trust. Hopefully the proper protections will be put in place by next year to make sure these d-bags do t ruin it for all the honest Ba'ers out there.
Sooo, are you a BA or are you a nurse?
BTW, Lansman is Breaking Bads twin brother... Olympic boxer, epic lover, and fantastic salesman. #bedby9.
Nope, just don't appreciate it when some d-bags decide to take advantage of a brewery's trust at the expense of other BA's.
I think CW had some great stuff there. Awesome taps, generous bottle shares, excellent food (brads cupcakes were awesome). While the organization was a weak point, I think it was overall a lot of fun. Loved the chill music in back. Thanks CW for hosting. See you guys next year!
Dont forget they are people too.
cheers to CW for counting on honesty of their patrons, but shame on those who took advantage. to the guy who bought 17 bottles, and I very well know who you are: screw off. the actions of you and others like you blows chunks.
i hope next time CW uses a ticketing system of some kind. or implements some organization to at least clearly communicate the "cut-off" for ltd bottle sales. waiting in line for 2 hours sux when you get within 20 ppl to be told "all gone, sorry." call me #selfentitled, i don't care. i like your beer. keep brewing what you brew. cheers
So I'm skimming backwards through this post, so may just be behind. However, the important question, at least to the point that I've read thus far has been missed with politics. Would someone please help my laziness and feed my curiosity . . . how was 15 and how's in compare to 1414?
Don't you think CW could have controlled this a little better, I had a VIP inv to the event and didn't want to deal with the bs like stated above. This is my first post here on BA and don't want it to come across wrong but, CW needs to realize how coveted their product is and handle it differently? BTW my VIP invitation was a photo copy!! seriously!! Love BA forums have been reading forever finally decided to sign up!!!
15 is incredibly good. Huge bourbon and silky smooth.
More bourbon flavor, while 1414 had more base beer "stoutiness." both phenomenal on tap
Thank you sir!
Night ya'll. #bedby11 central #bedby12 Yooper.
Whatevs old yooper
Jegross it's a shame I didn't get to put a face with a name tonight but we had to be at the same table if you knew this went down. I agree that Tim/Fitz is one of the best BA's around. He puts guys like me to shame. At least we were able to track the bottle down and get him a pour. Shame on anyone that would do that to any fellow beer advocate...much less Fitz.
I thought 15 tastes like a slightly thinner version of bbpt5, but has to me a remarkably similar nose and taste.
Great event run by great people, too bad about the VIP ordeal, I am sure CW was anticipating a much smaller crowd. Good to know Dekalb didn't cause any fuss.
what is bs is seing people walk in well after youad get bottles while those who atually waited in line did not.
Next time man! Will you be at the next Chicago craft beer lovers event? Glad you guys were able to help Tim out
I say it is what it is. People worked the system. More power to them. if you showed up late it's your own bad for making that assumption that showing up at the release time is gonna cut it. This is a beer event people and hopefully it's not your first rodeo. It is bad in part that the brewery allowed "VIP's" in over and over without requiring some sort of tally or ID to make sure they did not go in and out numerous times. None the less people have entitlement issues.
The local has entitlement cause it's his local brewery that he has support for X # of months/years.
The out of towner feels entitled cause he drove X # of hours/days to get there.
If you want the beer do what you need to get it. If they want to hoard it cool, if they want to trade it away cool. if they want to trade or give it to friends thats cool to cause last time i checked they bought and paid for that beer.
FYI this is just my opinion.
Look man, you're a good guy. We talked privately and I believe 85% of what you said. However...
This is the most hypocritical shit I've read all week. And dontcounttoday posted at least 3 times.
I was in line at 230. There was probably like 8 people in front of me when it sold out. Still was able to get 2 cases of BBCS and a half case of both PM and BBBW. Didn't seem like any of those were gonna run out when I got mine. Still was livid the whole drive home regardless of the mild score.
You should be livid you bought two cases of Cherry Stout and only half of the other two. Epic fail.
Impressive Fitz !
The other two are shelf beers where I live
Right on man, just nudging ya. Cheers!
I'm pretty disappointed that I was not able to get any 15 after getting there just after 3 and waiting for 2+ hours in line, as it sounds like many others are. This event has really lowered my opinion of Central Waters- they knew that this event was going to be very popular and did not plan for it effectively.
Here's what they could do differently next year:
Reform the VIP system to stop people from taking advantage of it. I don't really see why they need it at all but I also doubt that is what prevented most of those in line from getting any 15.
Monitor the line length, and adjust limits accordingly over the span of the night. If they know that they will run out, at least have the decency to send someone back there to let people at the back of the line know that they will probably not get any. Alternatively, make it a ticketed event just for the purchase of the main attraction beer, and allow everyone else to still participate in the other things happening. I also saw a number of people cutting in line, maybe even to go back for a second time for more 15. Stick some ropes up to hinder people from doing that.
For the bottle share, no one could see anything. People had cellphones out just to read the labels on bottles. It was nice of you to offer tables for a bottle share, but please turn at least one light on if you are going to do something like that.
Even if I hadn't been able to get any 15, it would have been fine if CW had managed my expectations accordingly. They screwed up with the way that they organized this event: in addition to being an anniversary party, it was a beer release and I doubt that the majority of people there were even able to get one bottle of the beer they were there for. They have probably lost a number of fans with the way they handled that event, and I know for sure that they have lost one.
Big shoutout to everyone walking out with cases of 15.
Bigger shoutout to all the distibutors etc who kept grabbing extra 15
Biggest shoutout to the fucking assholes who came just to scalp 15 by walking up and down the lines selling bottles they just purchased for 50 bucks.
I agree with everything you say. So disappointed. I took vacation at work, drove three hours, and waited jn line for oved two hours and no one came to let me know 15 was sold out... and i saw people with three cases of it. Id like to thank brian and greg personally for getting me a bottle... awesome beeradvocates.
Well i think i speak for many when i say fuck your opinion. Entitlement issues aside, it could have been handled differently and managed a lot better to at least strect the limited amount that was there made it. But beyond that, dont even get me started on peoples selfishness. Even if people were able to keep going back to get more... they shouldnt have. Its fucking selfish, end of story.
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