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cigar city question

Discussion in 'Beer Trading Talk & Help' started by crusian, Dec 7, 2012.

  1. crusian

    crusian Advocate (665) Oregon May 14, 2010 Beer Trader

    Can anyone tell me why Leon and church are in such demand, commanding such high trade value and imperial sweet stout cognac barrel aged is not? The latter has better reviews and about the same bottle count Iirc.
  2. Treebs

    Treebs Advocate (640) Illinois Apr 18, 2011

    Barrel aged barleywines naturally command higher value than BA milk stouts in the world of BA in terms of trading. We all know taste doesn't play that big of a roll in trading. See Bourbon County Cherry Rye. Most barleywines hold up better to barrel aging than a typical milk stout would as well. There are a lot of factors that add up to it. I definitely wont make sense, but it's the world we live in.
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  3. dsal89

    dsal89 Advocate (505) Indiana Jul 6, 2008

    I just think the fact that Leon is a Barley Wine aged in apple brandy barrels is why it is becoming so sought after. Shit, if i had the ammo for it id offer up a trade for it. It sounds incredible
  4. lurchingbeast

    lurchingbeast Initiate (0) Illinois Feb 19, 2009

    The better question would be why is Moat Water so overlooked? Best beer I've had from CC all year.
  5. bebbcorp

    bebbcorp Aficionado (225) Kansas Mar 6, 2010

    I am confused by the question because I don't know much about cigar city. I will say this though I had Cigar City Jai Alai Cedar aged and it tickled my fancy just as it needed to be tickled.
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  6. crusian

    crusian Advocate (665) Oregon May 14, 2010 Beer Trader

    K. Thanks.
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  7. crusian

    crusian Advocate (665) Oregon May 14, 2010 Beer Trader

    I had it right after the imperial sweet. It was so thin. Had it later and it was good, but nothing like the sweet stout.
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  8. krl2112

    krl2112 Advocate (670) Illinois Nov 10, 2012 Verified

    I am as perplexed as u! It's like in high school, who decided who was popular and why!?!? Many times it just does not make sense. This just means more for u for the brews u enjoy!!
  9. franklinn

    franklinn Savant (450) Vermont May 29, 2012

    Yeah man, just date the unpopular girl. She's probably just as good in bed, and might even let you get away with a little bit more ;)
  10. krl2112

    krl2112 Advocate (670) Illinois Nov 10, 2012 Verified

    True dat!!!!
  11. pixieskid

    pixieskid Advocate (670) Germany Jun 4, 2009

    Highschool, good in bed...
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  12. maximum12

    maximum12 Champion (920) Minnesota Jan 21, 2008 Beer Trader

    I hate to bring up such a forbidden subject but: taste.

    BA Church on a Hill is the best new beer I've had the pleasure to have this year. Others opinions could certainly vary, but I'd trade for tons of it in a heartbeat if I could get it.

    The others are delicious but not on the same elite level as BA Church, at least to my palate. I'd agree with the comments about barleywines commanding a higher level of attention a couple people noted above.
  13. Imp Sweet Stout was amazing. Period.
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  14. crusian

    crusian Advocate (665) Oregon May 14, 2010 Beer Trader

    I covered taste. The sweet stout gets better reviews.
  15. robinsmv

    robinsmv Initiate (0) Florida Jun 24, 2010

    That it was, but I'm still gonna say Leon is better
  16. M1A2

    M1A2 Advocate (525) Ohio Jan 15, 2012 Beer Trader

    Lets keep that on the down low, it not a very good beer;).
  17. Haven't had it, but it sounds like a recipe for success
    /pun intended
    yeah, that beer was pretty terrible... ;)
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  18. I can't speak for the Leon and Church (both of which I'd like to try) but the Imperial Sweet is awesome. I could drink that for days. I think I'd have to agree that barleywines are just in high demand but that sweet stout is certainly being overlooked.

    Also the unpopular girl would always blow your mind. Ahhh the good old days...
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  19. manutdfan

    manutdfan Initiate (0) Florida May 25, 2012

    Moat water is my beer of the year as welll, down to my last 2 bottles
  20. huskermike12

    huskermike12 Savant (485) Vermont Nov 14, 2011

    I've had all three and despite the reviews it's not nearly as good as BACOAH, and Leon is slightly better IMO. Plus, it seems like a lot more of the sweet stout hit the trading forums.
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  21. crusian

    crusian Advocate (665) Oregon May 14, 2010 Beer Trader

  22. willandperry

    willandperry Savant (275) Colorado Sep 15, 2011 Beer Trader

    I had Leon and the sweet stout recently back to back and currently, the sweet stout is drinking much better. However, given some time, Leon will probably turn into a awesome and possibly better beer.
  23. vurt

    vurt Advocate (705) Oregon Apr 11, 2004 Beer Trader

    What are you basing that prediction on? Does it have flavors which need time to mesh? Too much alcohol heat which time might diminish? Is it too estery? Too hoppy? Unbalanced? How do you expect time to improve the beer?

    Time will definitely change a beer, but there's no guarantee that time will improve a beer.
  24. Duffman929

    Duffman929 Savant (415) Illinois Nov 27, 2010 Beer Trader

    Silly Beer Advocates....taste mattering? Ha. Now you are just talking logical speak. Continue the madcrazyhypeyo train.
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  25. cavedave

    cavedave Poobah (1,060) New York Mar 12, 2009 Beer Trader

    The Sweet Stout was the best beer I had this year. It was the second highest rating I have given any beer. I would bet my last dollar there will never be a Milk Stout, Imperial or otherwise, better than this one. It is in a class of its own.

    And the opinion that a BA BW is gonna be more popular than a Milk Stout, no matter how good, is right on the money.
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  26. willandperry

    willandperry Savant (275) Colorado Sep 15, 2011 Beer Trader

    I thought it was hot and like you said, just kindof rough. I think the flavors will mesh better with some age. Obviously this is all my opinion, do I am kindof basing it on personal taste but The people I tried it with felt the same way.
  27. crusian

    crusian Advocate (665) Oregon May 14, 2010 Beer Trader

    glad to hear you liked it so much! :)
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  28. crusian

    crusian Advocate (665) Oregon May 14, 2010 Beer Trader

    Now ranked #1 milk/sweet stout. That was fast.
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  29. cavedave

    cavedave Poobah (1,060) New York Mar 12, 2009 Beer Trader

    Fast and completely unsurprising.

    How they made a sweet stout to be so clean and drinkable at that level of alcohol and with those vibrant and astoundingly delicious flavors is beyond me. It requires a level of skill I hope to achieve in my own brewing and probably will never approach.