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Dark Lord vs. Darkness

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by VeganUndead, Feb 17, 2013.


Which did you prefer Three Floyds Dark Lord or Surly Darkness?

  1. Dark Lord

  2. Darkness

  1. VeganUndead

    VeganUndead Champion (850) Virginia Apr 25, 2012 Beer Trader

    I just had surly darkness for the first time last night, 2012 vintage, and it was immaculate. I do have a 2011 darkness, as well as a 2012 dark lord. So the question is which overall brew is better. I have heard 2012 isn't the best showing for dark lord, but i'm just looking to get some opinions from people who have tried both, as well as some recommendations for how long to cellar each bottle. Thanks for the info, cheers!
  2. ryanfolty

    ryanfolty Savant (300) Minnesota Jul 17, 2011 Beer Trader

    I am doing a 2008-2012 Darkness vertical soon, will report back on how the '08 is drinking but have heard it is still fantastic.
  3. vacax

    vacax Advocate (675) California Jun 3, 2008 Beer Trader

    For the last five years or so every year of Dark Lord has been worse than the last. We're talking to the point it has noticeable brewing flaws and most people dump it out at tastings now. It is kind of sad. Darkness is pretty much good every year.
  4. Powderhornphil

    Powderhornphil Advocate (675) Minnesota Apr 30, 2012 Beer Trader

    I had an 08 Darkness about 6 months ago. It was still drinking great.
  5. sendsilk

    sendsilk Advocate (545) Florida Aug 31, 2007 Beer Trader

    Darkness is excellent. Dark Lord is excellent for trading it to dipshits who THINK it's going to be a great beer (like myself).
  6. maximum12

    maximum12 Champion (920) Minnesota Jan 21, 2008 Beer Trader

    '08 Dark Lord was better than '08 Darkness.
    Every other year of Darkness superior to every other year of Dark Lord.

    Just one man's opinion.
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  7. jatut

    jatut Aficionado (190) Minnesota Jan 4, 2012 Beer Trader

    Cool where do I sign up?
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  8. lonewolfcry

    lonewolfcry Champion (875) Minnesota Dec 7, 2007 Beer Trader

    I'll bring the '12! :D
  9. KevSal

    KevSal Advocate (710) California Oct 17, 2010 Beer Trader

    I'm planing on doing a 10 vs 12 soon and can say I'm very excited for it.

    I drank both dl 11 and darkness 11 in a short time frame from each other and I found darkness to be stellar. Dark lord had something in it that I didn't like to much, but it was still good
  10. VeganUndead

    VeganUndead Champion (850) Virginia Apr 25, 2012 Beer Trader

    Looks like this is even more one sided than I expected, maybe I should switch it to Darkness vs. the only RIS i've tried that I thought to be superior, Abyss
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  11. DBijnagte

    DBijnagte Savant (305) Minnesota Dec 7, 2012 Beer Trader

    Only having my first Dark Lord recently (2012 vintage), and being a homer I definitely would go with Darkness. Having only had 2012 Dark Lord the sweetness was overpowering. I still enjoyed Dark Lord but having had most of the vintages of Darkness there was not one year that I would rate lower than the Dark Lord. Seeing the above posts as well as talking to people, I realize that previous years may have been better and my exposure is limited, but in my experience Darkness wins by a mile.
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  12. sendsilk

    sendsilk Advocate (545) Florida Aug 31, 2007 Beer Trader

    Yes, it's called saccharin!
  13. OneBeertoRTA

    OneBeertoRTA Advocate (660) California Jan 2, 2010 Subscriber Beer Trader

    09 would actually go well over steamed rice. Not as salty as the low sodium soy sauce but has a tad more thickness and more prominent seaweed flavors...
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  14. 510a

    510a Savant (460) Washington Jan 12, 2013 Beer Trader

    I have heard DL is beer meets soy sauce. Don't have availability in my area so can't say this would be my opinion. But it might make for some interesting tasting stir fry, perhaps a marinade for a coffee crusted steak...hmm.
  15. digita7693

    digita7693 Advocate (690) Germany Jan 19, 2010 Beer Trader

    I'm a vegetarian and I wouldn't ruin a steak by pouring dark lord over it.
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  16. OneBeertoRTA

    OneBeertoRTA Advocate (660) California Jan 2, 2010 Subscriber Beer Trader

    Curious to see how 07 Darkness is drinking. Can't recall if the Ny whale slayers drank one recently...
  17. evilc

    evilc Initiate (0) California Jan 27, 2012

    Or the '06 growlers - wonder if any of those 60 still exist.
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  18. evilc

    evilc Initiate (0) California Jan 27, 2012

    DL was one of the worst beers I have ever had. Had a '12 - was absolutely a disgusting, cloying mess. How that beer gets hype, and how a barrel fixes it - I have no idea.
  19. n2185

    n2185 Advocate (715) North Carolina Apr 14, 2008 Beer Trader

    I fall into that category as well. Dark Lord definitely has the highest hype to lowest quality of any of the hyped beers I've had. I've had a few worse imperial stouts, but only a few and none of which was as difficult to obtain.
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  20. xanok

    xanok Advocate (500) Connecticut Aug 13, 2009 Beer Trader

    I'm not sure who you're drinking with, but this just seems like nonsense/lies/people with bad palates. I haven't had '12, but '11 was fantastic fresh and even better with a year on it. '10 was great fresh, better with a year, and even better with three years on it (had a '10 last night). So if by "last five years" you mean "just vintages 2009 and 2012," you have a point.
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  21. BeerLover99

    BeerLover99 Champion (755) Illinois Dec 13, 2008

    I have only had Dark Lord, so far, 2012 and it was amazing. I love Three Floyds, but Surly is underrated, looking forward to sampling Darkness, one day.
  22. evilc

    evilc Initiate (0) California Jan 27, 2012

    Qualifier: do you like Black Tuesday? Do you like aspartame?
  23. br3wmeister

    br3wmeister Savant (355) Colorado Dec 24, 2006

    I was going to do that on December 22 for a we survived the end of the world party, but all my beer geek friends were busy. I would be interested to hear how you think they compare side by side.
  24. Duffman929

    Duffman929 Savant (415) Illinois Nov 27, 2010 Beer Trader

  25. I just did a 2008-2012 vertical with a couple of friends last month. We all thought 2008 was too sweet, but it was also too sweet in 2008. 2009 and 2010 were great. Then we opened 2011, and while it didn't seem like a bad beer, we all found it challenging to drink. We figured it was palate fatigue, but we opened the 2012 anyway, and thought it was fantastic. Back to 2011, and nobody could finish it.

    I couldn't really put a finger on the problem. All I know is none of us enjoyed 2011 anywhere near as much as the others. Even 2008 was easy to finish.
  26. beermeout

    beermeout Disciple (65) Michigan Jun 26, 2010

    I say Darkness. Dark Lord is too sweet IMO.
  27. litheum94

    litheum94 Advocate (675) California Dec 29, 2008

    Not even a contest for me. Darkness by a billion miles.
  28. kzoobrew

    kzoobrew Champion (870) Michigan May 8, 2006

    Many off the shelf Imperial Stouts > Darkness >>> Dark Lord.

    As far as I am concerned Dark Lord is an awful beer.
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  29. Azzy

    Azzy Savant (300) Texas Jul 16, 2012

    I think it's because every year the continue to grow the production and its not a simple task to do so. I've only had 12 Darklord and even though I like it I can see why others do not. It's overly sweet, it does have a soy sauce smell and taste like some say. And hopefully I can get to the rest of my bottles soon.
  30. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Advocate (630) Florida May 29, 2011 Beer Trader

    I thought Darklord was pretty terrible. I'd rather drink 90% of Imperial Stouts from my local store than it. Sam Adams Imperial Stout > Darklord
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  31. grandmeaulnes

    grandmeaulnes Savant (310) Ohio Oct 18, 2010 Beer Trader

    Darklord is trash.
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  32. strangebrew321

    strangebrew321 Savant (425) Indiana Feb 18, 2009 Beer Trader

    Fresh Darkness wins over fresh Dark Lord. Though a well aged Dark Lord, paired with the likes of a grilled steak and smoked blue cheese, is a much finer treat than any Darkness I've ever had ('10-'12)
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  33. Dennoman

    Dennoman Advocate (525) Belgium Aug 20, 2011

    I loved Pappy Dark Lord, but if you have to fix a broken base beer by aging it on an excellent bourbon, I have my reservations. Although the 2011 Darkness I had was excellent, I wouldn't say it was memorable. It did make some mean beer pancakes the morning after!
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  34. sendsilk

    sendsilk Advocate (545) Florida Aug 31, 2007 Beer Trader

    Is that what you call the beer shits in Belgium?
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  35. Dennoman

    Dennoman Advocate (525) Belgium Aug 20, 2011

    Rarely have I laughed out loud at a forum post. No, literal pancakes, they were gorgeous but they sure did stick to the pan and make a mess.

    Here's to hoping "pan" isn't slang for toilet anywhere in the world.
  36. gcamparone

    gcamparone Advocate (685) Rhode Island Dec 6, 2011 Subscriber Beer Trader

    Threads like this confuse the shit out of me. Every other person is bashing dark lord like it's going out of style, yet it has a 96 rating? Does bashing good beer make you cool or something?
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  37. vacax

    vacax Advocate (675) California Jun 3, 2008 Beer Trader

    All the old timers rated it 5+ years ago when it was good and all the noobs don't know what they're doing.
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  38. 2BDChicago

    2BDChicago Savant (280) Illinois Nov 21, 2010 Beer Trader

    This thread is ridiculous. As a loyal and local fan of FFFs, I would admit last 3 years that Darkness may be a slightly more attractive taste profile thanDL. I even went to Surlys Darkness release and marveled at how it played out. But to say DL is trash and a drain pour, is due to either unsophisticated palates or unfiltered jealousy at not really having access to FFFs.
  39. DovaliHops

    DovaliHops Advocate (540) California Nov 16, 2009 Beer Trader

    I'm doing the same vertical tomorrow!
  40. vacax

    vacax Advocate (675) California Jun 3, 2008 Beer Trader

    If anything, claiming Dark Lord is still good is the mark of an unsophisticated palate. I don't know of any reputable person who would say 2012 Dark Lord is a good beer. Can you not pick up all the soy sauce and green apple off-flavors?
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