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DH Double Crooked Tree Not Really 12% abv?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by 1Sundown2C, Mar 19, 2013.

  1. 1Sundown2C

    1Sundown2C Savant (380) New York Jan 13, 2012

    So I'm on my third or fourth bottle of this beer since it's 2013 release and am truly starting to question whether this beer is the 12% abv it claims to be. Not a huge problem as I actually find it an extremely enjoyable and unique DIPA (blows Devil Dancer away, IMO) but was wondering if anyone else shares this opinion? I've had many other beers I would consider world class in the 11-13% abv range and though amazingly well-crafted, you can taste the alcohol very easily in most. Here I taste very little at all compared to say, HopSlam, which is 2% less. Maybe it's only my palate. Thoughts?
  2. jegross2

    jegross2 Advocate (705) Illinois Jan 3, 2010

    I don't understand, it's an incredible drinkable dipa/barley wine straddler. Love this beer.
  3. What's funny is reading the side of the 4pk where it claims 13.6%
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  4. beerhan

    beerhan Savant (390) Ohio Apr 28, 2010

    Well in years past it has been listed as 13.6%, not listed at all and 12% so I don't think there is any way for anyone to really know what it is. I would just accept that it is potent and delicious and not worry about a couple of points. I know from experience to not have more than one unless I find it on tap again because everything I just said I will ignore.
  5. BDEE

    BDEE Aficionado (125) Wisconsin Feb 11, 2012

    I was sharing one yesterday at 5 am with a friend before going to the Irish pub at 6 am. Probably because it was the first we had on empty stomachs, we were both feeling nice walking in the cold Milwaukee air.
  6. dpjosuns

    dpjosuns Savant (280) Illinois Dec 8, 2009

    Maybe it's just so good you don't give a sh*t...? That could be it.
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  7. Tchfunkta

    Tchfunkta Aficionado (215) Kentucky May 14, 2009

    I've never had a beer that early. Kudos.
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  8. gtermi

    gtermi Champion (750) Texas Apr 21, 2010

    I've never had a beer that early, but I have had a beer that late... If you get my drift
  9. BDEE

    BDEE Aficionado (125) Wisconsin Feb 11, 2012

    It was St. Patty's day....
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  10. jRocco2021

    jRocco2021 Savant (395) Wisconsin Mar 13, 2010

    You can't drink all day if you don't start in the morning.
  11. Tchfunkta

    Tchfunkta Aficionado (215) Kentucky May 14, 2009

    Now that I have done.

    Does this mean your done when the sun goes down?
  12. xanok

    xanok Savant (395) Connecticut Aug 13, 2009

    Legally, it has to be extremely close to what the label says.
  13. Keffa

    Keffa Savant (475) Ohio Jan 8, 2009

    Then what does it have to be if it's not on the label? ;)
  14. 1Sundown2C

    1Sundown2C Savant (380) New York Jan 13, 2012

    I'm willing to wager it's no more than 10.5%
  15. BlackDragon

    BlackDragon Initiate (0) Michigan Feb 16, 2013

    and you know this how your vast experience of being drunk LOL
  16. I thought you were going to say they were independently tested in a lab prior to label approval in a strict region and found to be short on alcohol, similar to how DFH World Wide Stout was found to be 15% instead of 18% when it was being approved for Canada.
  17. xanok

    xanok Savant (395) Connecticut Aug 13, 2009

    In the United States, all alcohol must state the alcohol content on the container.

    And you're basing this on what exactly? The taste of the beer? Please.
  18. Keffa

    Keffa Savant (475) Ohio Jan 8, 2009

    See this:

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    And this:

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    What you see is what was printed on the bottles when I purchased them 2 years ago at The Beverage Source in Newark. They got the bottles from their Dark Horse distributor from here in Ohio. It does not list ABV ANYWHERE on that bottle, nor did it list the ABV on the cartons the bottles came from.

    Your move, sir :)
  19. xanok

    xanok Savant (395) Connecticut Aug 13, 2009

    Whether or not the abv is stated on the container (it should be, legally speaking, at least according to government websites that state such things) doesn't matter. The burden of proof to show that the beer isn't the stated ABV is on you. Basing such a statement on how it tastes is total nonsense at best.
  20. BrettHead

    BrettHead Advocate (525) Nebraska Sep 18, 2010

    Not true. If jesskidden runs across this thread he'll give you the specifics.
  21. Not for beer (or, "malt beverages" in legalese), for which it's still optional and, in some states, still illegal.

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  22. kzoobrew

    kzoobrew Champion (830) Michigan May 8, 2006

    Nope.

    5. ALCOHOL CONTENT
    • GENERAL
    A statement of alcohol content is optional unless
    It is required by State law
    OR
    It is prohibited by State law

    http://www.ttb.gov/beer/bam/chapter1.pdf

    You may have a point with distilled spirits but not malt beverages.
  23. I wholly believe there's an algorithm built into BA that creates a BM for jesskiddin every time he's beckoned in a thread, complete with direct link and preformed reply box. It's like BA's version of the bat signal.
  24. fredmugs

    fredmugs Champion (820) Indiana Aug 11, 2012

    Go out for a 5 mile run or knock out an hour on any cardio machine. Start drinking them immediately afterwards and see how fast you get jacked up.
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  25. Hanzo

    Hanzo Champion (955) Virginia Feb 27, 2012

    I'm confused, are you mad they crafted a beer that hides its alcohol so well?
  26. I read somewhere that if you did list ABV it had to be within a .2 range of what's printed on label. If you cannot guarantee it, many breweries leave it off. A good example is WWS and 120 from DFH, who claim to range from 15%-20% depending on the batch, and do not bother listing ABV on the bottle.


  27. Swik

    Swik Savant (290) Indiana Oct 2, 2012

    I'm not sure but I see where you're going with the post, stopped at DH yesterday and got one of those bad boys on tap and a four pack, first time drinking it and in my honest opinion they gotta be damn close, delicious, sweet, drinkable and not boozy one bit. Could definetly make you doubt the abv. But after having two in a short amount of time I wouldn't doubt the 12% on the bottle.
  28. chaseabeer

    chaseabeer Savant (370) Oklahoma Feb 4, 2009

    It needs to be within .3%. Only states (Texas) that require lab testing will inforce this as you provide the results when you register the label. The state government doesn't have the time or skill to otherwise regulate what a brewery puts on their label. They can make the abv up if a brewery wants to.
  29. GuzzLah

    GuzzLah Savant (445) Illinois Mar 2, 2013

    If you can't taste the booze, that means they fermented it properly, if their intention was to hide the booze in the flavor.
  30. Does Dark Horse have a lab? They have grown, but still not real big.
  31. klaybie

    klaybie Savant (275) Illinois Nov 15, 2009

    I have a feeling it is at or very close to 13.6% abv. Imagine the bad PR that they would get if it weren't.
  32. xanok

    xanok Savant (395) Connecticut Aug 13, 2009

    Fair enough. I can't imagine that DH would still be off by 3% as OP says though.
  33. Blanco

    Blanco Savant (490) Pennsylvania Oct 11, 2008

    I have no doubts this beer is 12%. I found it boozy as hell.

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