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Ever been duped by a so called "beer bar"?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by Hanzo, Jan 23, 2013.

  1. unclekeith

    unclekeith Advocate (520) Alaska Sep 4, 2012 Beer Trader

    I walked into "Cervezas del Mundo" in Quito, Ecuador excited to drink something other than the 2 national brands (Pilsener & Club) and was dissapointed to find a 3 beer selction: the 2 national brands plus Heineken.
  2. mmmbirra

    mmmbirra Savant (410) Italy Apr 19, 2009

    I'm not saying they didn't get caught or fined(I don't know,) but it happened. It happens, you even give another example of it happening. I'm not lying.
  3. gory4d

    gory4d Advocate (610) New York Apr 14, 2007 Beer Trader

  4. nickmantia

    nickmantia Savant (320) Massachusetts Feb 19, 2011 Beer Trader

    Wow that is a pretty lame name for a bar that clearly doesn't have anything special to offer. The craft beer places near me update their tap and bottles lists online frequently and have a decent selection (even recently had Heady Topper on draft, which is very hard to get in MA).

    The ones I'm referring to are Lord Hobo (http://lordhobo.com/?page_id=188) and Five Horses Tavern (http://fivehorsestavern.com/on-tap)
  5. Seeing all these taplists is making me chomp at the proverbial bit.
  6. pvllbum

    pvllbum Savant (265) Illinois Sep 4, 2007

    I'm talking about him going on a trip and getting stuff and the place i made reference too was hiding it. You're saying this place is advertising it. With the way the 3 tier system works distributors would come down with the wrath of god on something like that...unless they're not as harsh as some of the people here in Chicago
  7. ShortHop

    ShortHop Aficionado (150) Illinois Apr 24, 2008

    Dylan's in Chicago. In their defense, I read a website that called it a "Craft beer bar" - I don't know that they promote themselves that way.

    It was nearby and I had to meet someone in the area.

    The best they had was Bell's Brown, Anchor Steam, and a Sam Adams. Weak.
  8. My local:

    The worst thing is that a lot of people think this place has gone way down hill...
  9. CTBeerPope

    CTBeerPope Savant (355) Connecticut Jan 30, 2012 Beer Trader

    Maybe they need a BA like urself to broaden their horizon? It's easy to criticize people and places for their shortcomings. It could be a place that indeed is trying to just capitalize off the rise of craft beer but for some reason I have a feeling that's not the case since they actually wrote BMC offerings on the board. You never know man, if you really want this to be a go-to local then I'd highly suggest trying to meet the staff, mgmt etc. Maybe u can help them out.
  10. poopinmybutt

    poopinmybutt Savant (325) Nebraska May 25, 2005

    OP is hilarious
  11. BMC customers are far more likely to be introduced to craft with a taplist like that than a place that exclusively offers craft. Because, he honest, that place that offers only craft will never even get their foot traffic. It may be a 'dupe' for BAs, but may be an open door for a curious BMC drinker.
  12. What! No more Armoured Fist. Sooooo glad I moved to Canada
  13. gpcollen1

    gpcollen1 Savant (435) Connecticut Jul 16, 2005

    FYI - Beer prices and taxes are generally higher in NY. Check on the price differences of brands like Stone and others...and we generally put anything around 8% or more in our house 13.5 ounce glass = 12 ounce pour = head. Not everyone pays attention or realizes what the higher alcohol beers can do to you or even what alcohol % is in 'normal' beer.
  14. rlcoffey

    rlcoffey Advocate (515) Kentucky Apr 20, 2004

    He already has a pizza joing, so why not add good beer?

    And, yes, it would be illegal to sell KY beer in WV. WV wants their excise taxes.
  15. Hanzo

    Hanzo Champion (975) Virginia Feb 27, 2012

    It's not really my place to go in and tell them I think they should carry better craft beer. Who knows, they might very well be successful with what they have, all I was really pointing out was the irony of their Millions of Beers name.
  16. CTBeerPope

    CTBeerPope Savant (355) Connecticut Jan 30, 2012 Beer Trader

    All good man. Being in the biz myself the customer is the reason we exist. The name is kinda weird tho.
  17. rlcoffey

    rlcoffey Advocate (515) Kentucky Apr 20, 2004

    I did it with a place that opened last summer. They didnt carry any BMC, so it was obvious they were trying to be a real craft beer bar, however, he had far too many "accessible" craft beers. I told the owner he needed to up his game, that while those beers had a place in his lineup, they were overweighted. He listened (probably wasnt JUST me telling him this) and his lineup now runs the entire craft beer gamut. He focuses on American-made craft beer, so he doesnt have any Belgians or whatever else, but within the American craft lineup, he has a good diversity.

    And the place has gone from sparse to packed. Part of that is time and name rec, of course, but I know some people who were turned off by their first impression.

    Dont be afraid as a consumer to tell the retailer what you want. They can ignore you if you give a stupid suggestion.
  18. Hanzo

    Hanzo Champion (975) Virginia Feb 27, 2012

    I dunno, I would just feel strange walking in a place I've never been before and start giving them pointers on what beer they should be ordering.
  19. Damn beer bars and their blackboard chalkings! If I ever open up a beer bar, I'm bucking the trend and rocking a whiteboard with markers!
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  20. Hanzo

    Hanzo Champion (975) Virginia Feb 27, 2012

    HF style?

  21. socon67

    socon67 Champion (825) New York Jun 18, 2010

    I saw that same list and knew it culdn't be true, but mainly thanks to the folks here. In AC Mussel Bar at Revel is my craft spot on the boardwalk.
  22. cway2031

    cway2031 Zealot (90) Illinois Jan 27, 2013

    Thank God for Map Room
  23. Thirstygoat

    Thirstygoat Advocate (720) Illinois Nov 22, 2012 Beer Trader

    It took a while but I found the Millions of beers. They list 17 drafts and suggest "Try a Mix." If you are limited to two beers in the mix at half each 16x17= hundreds of beers (272)
    But ( work with me here) if you start mixing say four beers 17x 16x15x14 = thousands of beers. (57120)
    That's assuming equal parts of each beer in the mix.
    When you consider unequal blends and you might even hit billions.
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  24. Hanzo

    Hanzo Champion (975) Virginia Feb 27, 2012

    Get out of here with that math!
  25. rlcoffey

    rlcoffey Advocate (515) Kentucky Apr 20, 2004

    The owner started the conversation with me, but I didnt hold back. Im a regular now, he comes out of his way to talk to me whenever Im in. We talk football and business.
  26. Hanzo

    Hanzo Champion (975) Virginia Feb 27, 2012

    Oh if I were ever asked I would answer truthfully for sure. Problem is I wouldn't go in there enough for them to care enough to ask me.
  27. rlcoffey

    rlcoffey Advocate (515) Kentucky Apr 20, 2004

    It was either my 1st or 2nd time in when I told him. It wasnt like "your selection sucks" but more like "I think you can be more daring with your selections". That said, big difference between the place Im talking about, which was clearly aiming at being a true craft beer bar, and the one you are talking about. The place Im talking about started with 20 taps and zero BMC beers, so he was already committed to not cater to everyone. Talking him into being more daring was merely convincing him to follow what he wanted to do. He was playing it too safe at first.
    Hanzo likes this.
  28. CHickman

    CHickman Advocate (540) New York Jan 7, 2009

    This tip about a great place made reading this thread worth it; I will be working in Malvern in a few weeks and can't wait to go to TJ's. Thanks
    HokiesandBeer likes this.
  29. alesafe88

    alesafe88 Zealot (90) New York Feb 22, 2009

    Where is that??
  30. HokiesandBeer

    HokiesandBeer Savant (390) Pennsylvania Jan 10, 2013 Beer Trader

    Where in Pa is this?
  31. spartan1979

    spartan1979 Advocate (515) Missouri Dec 29, 2005

    If it was called "Millions of DIFFERENT Beers" then I'd be mad. But for all I know they may have several million bottles of Miller Lite in the basement.
    Omer4176 likes this.
  32. I do want to start my own bar with mostly Italian offerings! I think I might do well if I was to do it right! :D
  33. CityofBals

    CityofBals Savant (480) Illinois Sep 12, 2012

    All you need is some Xyauyu and Tipopils on draft, not much you do after that will matter, the bar will always be full! ;)
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  34. mhksuccess

    mhksuccess Advocate (630) California Jul 7, 2012 Beer Trader

    Levitation *CASK Amber Ale dry hopped w/Centennial Stone 4.4 Pint 6.5
    Old Ruffian Barley Wine Style Ale Great Divide 11.80 Snifter 5.5
    Colette Farmhouse Ale Great Divide 7.3 Tulip 5.5
    Hercules Double IPA Great Divide 10 Goblet 6
    Espresso Aged Yeti Imperial Stout Great Divide 9.5 Snifter 5.5
    Hibernation Ale English Style Old Ale Great Divide 8.7 Goblet 5.5
    04 Golden Road Hef Hefeweizen Golden Road 4.6 Pint 6
    01 Scrimshaw German Pilsner North Coast 4.4 Pint 5
    03 Yellowtail Kolsch Ballast Point 4.6 Pint 5
    06 Helles Helles Lager Hangar 24 4.4 Pint 5.5
    55 GRB Berliner Weisse Berliner Weisse Golden Road 2.9 Tulip 6.5
    12 TAPS Cream Cream Ale TAPS 5.3 Pint 5.5
    02 Orange Wheat Wheat Beer Hangar 24 4.6 Pint 5.5
    18 Boont Amber Amber Ale AVBC 5.8 Pint 5
    17 Steam Steam Beer Anchor 4.9 Pint 5.5
    27 Mark's Mild Mild Ale Anchor 4 Pint 6.5
    Bock Spring Bock Anchor 5.5 Pint 6
    Alt-Bier Altbier Hangar 24 6 Pint 6
    26 24th Street Pale Pale Ale Strand 6.1 Pint 6.5
    30 Get Up Offa That Brown Brown Ale Golden Road 5.5 Pint 6.5
    Brekle's Brown Brown Ale w/Citra Anchor 6 Pint 6
    32 Smoked Porter Porter Stone 5.9 Pint 6.5
    Flying Cloud San Francisco Stout Anchor 7.4 Pint 6.5
    31 Barney Flats Oatmeal Stout AVBC 5.7 Pint 5.5
    Anderson Valley Bourbon Barrel Sout Bourbon Barrel Stout Anderson Valley 5.8 Pint 6.5
    69 Old 38*Nitro Irish Dry Stout North Coast 5.6 Pint 5.5
    70 Old Rasputin*Nitro Russian Imperial Stout North Coast 9 Goblet 5.5
    Deciduous XPA Cismontane 4.5 Pint 5.5
    Tanilla Porter American Porter Knee Deep 6.3 Pint 6.5
    Liberty Pale Ale Anchor 6 Pint 6.5
    25 Pale Ale Pale Ale Sierra Nevada 5.6 Pint 6.5
    The Perfect Crime Black Smoked Saison Stone Collab 6.8 Tulip 6
    27 Black Phoenix Chipotle Espresso Stout Bootlegger's 6.7 Goblet 5.5
    24 Liberty Pale Ale Anchor 6 Pint 5.5
    32 Black's Dawn Coffee Stout Cismontane 8.5 Goblet 5.5
    40 Protector IPA Enegren 7.5 Pint 6.5
    39 Union Jack IPA Firestone 7.5 Pint 6
    37 Alesmith IPA IPA Alesmith 7.2 Pint 6.5
    10 West Coast IPA IPA Green Flash 7 Pint 5.5
    46 Newport Rebellion (NV) Single Hop IPA Bear Republic 6 Pint 6.5
    45 Wipeout IPA Port 7 Pint 5.5
    42 Lagunitas IPA IPA Lagunitas 5.7 Pint 5
    09 Racer 5 IPA Bear Republic 7 Pint 5
    36 Columbus IPA IPA Hangar 24 7 Pint 6
    42 Coulter IPA Rye IPA Cismontane 7.2 Pint 6.5
    08 Point The Way IPA IPA Golden Road 5.2 Pint 6
    40 Hop Rod Rye Rye IPA Bear Republic 8 Pint 5.5
    47 Sublimely Self Righteous Black IPA Stone 8.7 Tulip 6.5
    46 Idiot IPA Double IPA Coronado 8 Tulip 6.5
    07 Pliny the Elder Double IPA Russian River 8 Tulip 6.5
    45 Evil Cousin Double IPA Heretic 8 Tulip 6.5
    44 Palate Wrecker Double IPA Green Flash 9 Tulip 6.5
    49 Hoppy Daze Belgian IPA Coronado 9 Tulip 6.5
    48 Double Jack Double IPA Firestone 9.5 Goblet 6.5
    05 Manifesto Witbier Eagle Rock 5.7 Tulip 5.5
    11 La Saison Saison Smog City 5.8 Tulip 6.5
    Gift of the Magi Biere de Garde Lost Abbey 9.5 Goblet 6.5
    50 Mischief Belgian Pale The Bruery 8.5 Tulip 6.5
    Lumen Belgian Pale w/jasmine Monkish 7.2 Tulip 6.5
    Reserve Wheat Wild Ale Telegraph 5 Goblet 6.5
    Ovila Barrel Aged Dubbel Sierra Nevada 7.5 Goblet 6.5
    53 Tripel Belgian Tripel Brouwerij West 8.5 Tulip 6.5
    57 Grand Cru Belgian Style Strong Alesmith 10 Snifter 6.5
    Midnight Special Scotch Ale on Nitro Ladyface 9.5 Goblet 6.5
    59 Vertical Epic 10-10-10 Belgian Strong Pale Ale Stone 9.5 Snifter 6.5
    Trappestine Belgian Style Dark Ale Ladyface 9.5 Goblet 6.5
    61 Vertical Epic 12-12-12 Belgian Strong Dark Ale Stone 9 Snifter 6.5
    59 Double Bastard American Strong Ale Stone 11.1 Snifter 6.5
    Oktoberfest Oktoberfest Ballast Point Pint 5.5
    this is place by my house i like to go to they have a couple brews on tap lol
  35. And decorating it in good Italian fashion too!

    Speaking of Xyauyu, my favorite store has the barrel aged one so I plan to pick that up soon.
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  36. BigGene

    BigGene Savant (380) Florida Oct 30, 2010

    So is it ok if a NEW beer bar bills itself as a Craft beer and specialty whisky bar to sell PBR cans and have BMC on tap next to the craft lineup? I ask because we have a new place here in Orlando, Eternal Tap. They marketed themselves before they opened as a craft beer mecca and the first picture I see from opening night has multiple PBR cans sitting on the bar. WTF! Sort of offended me. What do you think
  37. grilledsquid

    grilledsquid Advocate (565) California Jul 10, 2009 Beer Trader

    out of curiosity, does the place you speak of have a name that consists of two words with the first name spelled with consonants that happen to be the first three letters of your user name?
  38. Damn...dassum good stuff.
  39. This is Racer's Cafe, about a 10 minute drive north of Baltimore, MD.