Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by MacNCheese, Jan 30, 2013.
No Portland Maine? And Hill Farmstead is "prissy"?
Yeah, no Portland ME. Seriously??? Maine beer is the only brewery that doesn't churn out disgusting syrup. I love Portland so much, it's not close to Waterbury/Stowe zone. Calling Hill Farmstead "prissy" is absolutely moronic. Maine Beer spanks themselves asleep every night wishing they could produce the same across the board quality that Hill does. Lunch, Zoe etc are nice beers, but clearly not Hill or top level Lawsons quality. Wake up junior!
Im def not taking away from Lawyson's, Hill or Alchemist but to call Maine made beers as disgusting syrup, c'mon. Maine Beer, Bunker, Allagash, Rising Tide? Ill even go out a little to add Oxbow. Ofcourse these arent Hill but def quality for breweries. Vt area beers and Portland Maine should be in top 10.
You sir are correct Vermont is not a city, it is a Socialist Republic.
The criteria are simple: the largest clusters of A) total breweries and B) outstanding, nationally-recognized breweries.
The City of Vermont?
IMO, Market Garden has some work to do on their beer...largely mediocre in the multiple visits I've made. Also, it's not the most pleasant place to hang out. Huge (not a bad thing in its own right), but always packed and thus loud.
Nano has a good tap list. A couple of their own brews, a couple good locals, often a FFF or two, etc.
Not a bad list at all, I would have 7 out of those 10. Not Seattle, Boston and SF. Maybe instead Philly, Twin Cities and Cleveland or Asheville.
In all honesty, I'd probably lump Denver/Boulder/Longmont/Ft. Collins together as one entry instead of two.
Yeah, but can you realistically drink in each of those places in the same day? Would be tough! I like the separations, the respect for the Ft. Collins area and also to Bend and of course Kalamazoo/Grand Rapids!
I like how even on the list of dirtiest cities in America, they make mention of craft beer and Philadelphia.
Maybe not ALL of the spots (there are 60+ breweries now), but I've done New Belgium, Grimm Brothers, Oskar Blues, and Dry Dock in one day. There's just so little separation between our different cities these days, I kinda liked giving more cities a chance and lumping the big metro areas together. Just my opinion...I've been known to be wrong on occasion
But with breweries like Odell, New Belgium, Oskar Blues, Avery, Great Divide, Crooked Stave plus many more all in a 70 or so mile radius is a great thing!
Well said dirtylou, well said.
Having a bunch of breweries around means nothing if they aren't really that great. One great brewery is worth ten mediocre ones that only have a marginally good brew or two. I can't count the number of times that a local brew pub disappointed on like 6 out of 8 samples of a flight. We have a decent number of breweries all over New England, but there are clearly only a handful that truly excel.
I want to do a thread of the top 10 lamest top 10 lists. This would be top 5. And I live in San Diego.
Sheer numbers definitely don’t mean quality. Out here I honestly think quality has forced everyone to up their game. I can’t think of (m)any places around here putting out sub-par beers for long. In the few instances where I have seen it, in 6-months those same breweries have made a complete 180.
If anything, the real debate around here lately has come down to pricing. Can a start-up price their beers higher than big names like Odell or Avery? We’re in the process of finding out…
Lists are stupid, but provide something to post about.
Careful, or he'll puke on you and your daughters.
And instead of 'the state of Vermont', I'm thinking more 'a 30 mile radius of Waterbury'...[/quote]
More like 50 miles. Hill Farmstead is about 45 miles from Waterbury.
Not an entirely bad list, there are some good entries. Seattle, San Fran, Bend and Boston could be removed as far as I'm concerned though. Fort Collins over Denver.
But really, no Twin Cities on the list? The author hasn't been here, obviously.
You get Alpine, Three Floyds, Odell, Kuhnhenn, and Surly in Philadelphia?
The fremont/ballard neighborhood in seattle beats asheville by itself.
Comparing the beer culture of Cleveland to Seattle or SF is just crazy to me.
I feel you. Just like in Seattle, you can walk into a Mpls brewery, order up a pint or several to drink on premises, get your growler filled (regardless of the label on the growler), pick up some limited release bottles, and be on your way. Oh, wait...
This has been fun. I did mistitle my post, it should have been best brewery cities, but I figured people would click the link and figure that out.
Also happy to see no one is aruging that San Diego isn't tits.
San Diego isn't tits. Too spread out. Impossible to do a walking pub crawl. That's why Portland is better.
I love these threads. They bring out the people who are so insecure, it's of utmost importance to them that they live in a top 5 city.
I will be in SD in May and look forward to trying some of their great brews. My little bro raves about them.
I will repeat though, not having the "Waterbury, VT area" on this list is criminal. I suggest any of you that have never tried any of the many, MANY amazing brews from that area to stop what you are doing and immediately find a trade deal with someone in that area. You will quickly have the area in your top 10... if not top 5. Yes, it's that good.
...says the guy who's secure in the absolute certainty that he lives in a top 5 city.
It's changing...quickly. Good luck walking from Deschuttes to Hair of the Dog.
Considering the fact that I only visit about 4 breweries (and Deschutes who I consider more Bend in Portland) of the 50 in the city, I'm pretty sure we're not a top 10 brewing city. In terms of places I can go to get excellent beer,we're pretty well situated, however, Portland breweries need to step up their game a bit. Still no place in town with an IPA or DIPA like Boneyard, Heater Allen in McMinnville etc. etc.
Seriously? Deschutes Public House to HotD is about a 15 minute walk. You can't be that out of shape.
Which areas are up-and-coming as well as walkable for beer? I haven't been to any of the newish breweries like Societe, Rip Current, and Hess so I don't know where they are in relation to one another, but I always require a DD when I'm visiting my favorite breweries (Alpine, Pizza Port, Alesmith, etc). It's hard to top Portland in that regard--bitchin breweries all relatively close to one another. Even if you had to get to HotD from Deschutes, it's about a half hour walk at most.
Well we just passed a taproom bill here, so next time you come on over you'll be able to do just that.
And I never said Mpls was a top 10 beer city, I'm just saying that if Seattle is, then craft beer has a long way to go
It's hard for us SoCal folks to grasp the concept of walking since we live in our cars.
Is it that close? Driving across the river is such a pain, I may have my geography mixed up. SD is blowing up and while you won't walk from one side of the city to the other, each neighborhood is growing quickly with breweries/beer bars to keep you satisfied. Googled...it's 1.2 mi...didn't realize it was that close.
Eh, you're being modest. Just about any way you slice it, Portland is up there.
He's from SoCal. A 15-minute walk is called "going for a hike."
The neighborhoods are getting better with a mix of a few breweries/lots of beer bars. San Diego works more along the line of production breweries vs brewpubs...so they tend to be further out in industrial areas. SD>PDX in terms of size so a car is necessary. As area's in fill...it'll change. You can walk from Helm's Brewing to Societe, Alesmith to Hess and some newer brewery that's opened near by...it's a quickly changing scene.
I will say that on Sunday I spent the afternoon at Papago Brewing Company and had one of the most delightful afternoons listening to music and enjoying craft beer that I have had in awhile. All thanks to the article in Draft Magazine......then the GF dragged me to some pit of despair named Last Chance.
I'm looking forward to this change if that's the case. I'll probably check out some new stuff when I drive down to pick up Kopi Speedway.
What really keeps me out of these discussions is that I have not been to most of these cities since becoming of legal drinking age. It amuses me how people will argue their favorite to death having never been to many of the others.
For all I know, Kalamazoo is the greatest beer city since beer and cities were a thing. Haven't been there. Can't comment.
What I can say: Portland is awesome, Bend is awesome, Seattle is awesome, Denver (area) is awesome, San Francisco is awesome.
Of those, Portland is probably my favorite based on quality of beer alone. I enjoy the overall vibe in Seattle much more though.
Edit: Also, how many of you have been to Madison? I like that place a lot, and I really don't like Wisconsin that much.
Edit 2: P.S. Steve Body is a douchebag.
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