I'm shocked that Church Brew Works in Pittsburgh made such a splash, I've always thought they were pretty "middle of the road." They did win awards in style categories that I generally don't care much for. I've lived in Pittsburgh for close to 10 years and I think I can count the number of times I've been there/beers tried, on one hand. Maybe I need to give them another shot, especially the Heini's Hooch old ale (sounds right up my alley). That is if I can find it, it's not on their online menu at the moment.