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Goose Island in Tx. email response

Discussion in 'US - Southwest' started by icetrauma, Apr 17, 2012.

  1. Been dealing with Brown since 2003 and never had a prob - i was told it will be Available in Kegs starting early Dec and packages will be made Available sometime in March 2013 -
     
  2. thirdeye11

    thirdeye11 Savant (445) Texas Feb 3, 2009

    I really wish this had happened back before they were acquired by AB-InBev. These beers are good, but it's sort of against my moral code to drink them with any sort of regularity. Not saying I never will, but it will absolutely influence my decision.
     
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  3. Walt

    Walt Initiate (0) Texas Aug 6, 2006

    Don't get me wrong, Brown is awesome! I just meant that the other poster was in a different market.
     
  4. champ103

    champ103 Champion (870) Texas Sep 3, 2007

    Not going to be like that everywhere. I am in Illinois right now, hardly any place south of I80 (aka Chicago) get a lot, and it sells out in a day. Philly gets more than downstate Illinois. Maybe the bigger cities in Texas will get more..will just have to see.
     
  5. DanzBorin

    DanzBorin Initiate (0) Texas Apr 11, 2012

    Other than Chicago, there are hardly any people in IL. The drop off in population outside of metro Chicago is crazy.
     
  6. champ103

    champ103 Champion (870) Texas Sep 3, 2007

    I know, I lived there for 20 years;)
     
  7. boogercrack

    boogercrack Savant (340) Texas May 24, 2012

    it spreads
     
  8. lnashsig

    lnashsig Savant (330) Texas Oct 30, 2010

    This is a ridiculous position to take, and snobbery at that. As soon as they start to compromise the quality of their beers, we can all go haywire about AB-Inbev's evilness. Until then, they make some of the finest beer that this country produces and they happen to be owned by AB-InBev. Who cares? It's always been about the quality of the beer, not necessarily if it is "craft", "import", or bud/miller/coors type swill. If the giant breweries can actually produce a product worth a damn, I'll drink it regularly. The thing is, they don't create great products, and we will all hope that Goose Island continues to innovate and produce quality beer- which I highly suspect they will.
     
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  9. DanzBorin

    DanzBorin Initiate (0) Texas Apr 11, 2012

    You have no idea how bad AB-Inbev is, do you?

    They found a way to make Budweiser worse. They move breweries across the seas and ruin the beer. They cut out long time business partners and hop growers.

    You know why? ANYTHING TO SAVE A DOLLAR.

    It's probably just a matter of time before it happens to Goose Island. I will, however drink the beers until they suffer. That said, Inbev is about the worst thing to happen to beer and I understand Chad's stance.
     
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  10. lnashsig

    lnashsig Savant (330) Texas Oct 30, 2010

    I thought I was clear in my post. I do know how bad AB-InBev is. I don't like their products. I just said that Goose Island should continue to be supported, regardless of their ownership, until they produce substandard products that make us believe that they are no longer interested in producing great beer. Chad's post referenced that he would possibly have issues drinking Goose Island beers because of their affiliation with InBev. I just think that is ridiculous.
     
  11. DanzBorin

    DanzBorin Initiate (0) Texas Apr 11, 2012

    There is nothing inherently wrong with choosing not to support an evil empire. ;)
     
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  12. lnashsig

    lnashsig Savant (330) Texas Oct 30, 2010

    Ok, great. More BCBS and Sophie for me. Strike away...
     
  13. DanzBorin

    DanzBorin Initiate (0) Texas Apr 11, 2012

    I hear you. I love the stuff. I just won't give Chad too much business for his ethical choices.
     
  14. thirdeye11

    thirdeye11 Savant (445) Texas Feb 3, 2009

    Ridiculous? Why?

    Read this article in its entirety, and tell me if you still feel good about supporting this business:

    http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-10-25/the-plot-to-destroy-americas-beer

    Let's not forget that John Hall is also no longer involved with the brewery in any capacity, and a former AB-InBev Exec was put in charge of Goose Island. Regardless of whether or not the quality of their beer has changed (it hasn't that I know of yet), the way this company does business, does not resonate with me. And when I say company, I mean AB-InBev, of which Goose Island is part of.

    And why are you saying my view is snobbery? You said that without really any information as to why I made my choice. You could have simply asked some questions on why I said what I did. Instead, you made assumptions that just aren't true. I choose to support small businesses first, and vote with my wallet. This is an American principle I'm proud of, and always will be. Uninformed asshole, that's what you are.
     
  15. lnashsig

    lnashsig Savant (330) Texas Oct 30, 2010

    Easy now. No need for name calling, I didn't do that to you. Here's the disconnect between our views: I believe the only thing that matters is the quality of the beer produced, and you philosophically have an issue with who produces it, esp if it is made by a giant company. I see turning up your nose at something because it is made by a company that is owned by a giant company as short-sided. As long as it is a quality product that I enjoy, I do not care who makes it.
     
  16. thirdeye11

    thirdeye11 Savant (445) Texas Feb 3, 2009

    You said my behavior was "snobbery at that", so you called me a snob. It's name calling, however you slice it. All I did was do the same thing you did, but perhaps in a more direct manner. If you argue against that, it's like when you call something that someone says "stupid", but you claim you're not calling THEM stupid. It was their thought, so you called them stupid. Just call it what it is. You called me a snob, and I didn't appreciate it, because your view was uninformed. You don't know all the facts on why I decided what I did.

    So you're saying that the ONLY thing that matters to you, is if a product is quality? What about a company that doesn't warranty their quality products? What if the company used child labor (which is illegal in America) to produce products outside of America, for the American market? What if employees were whipped and beaten while making the quality product? What if the company employs only women, and endorses a viewpoint that all men are inferior? What if the company uses all profits to fund terrorism?

    I realize I'm getting extreme, but the point I'm trying to make is that we all have some kind of moral code, and this is mine. It's great that your only qualification is if a company produces a quality product, but to say my moral opinion is "snobbery" is very one sided. It's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it.
     
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  17. champ103

    champ103 Champion (870) Texas Sep 3, 2007

    I pretty much agree with lnashsig. I really don't care at all, as long as it is good beer. That being said, I hope we don't see a flood of 312 and Honkers Ale everywhere. There are so many better versions of wheat and pale ales that are already made in Texas, we don't need two more inferior products taking up space at Specs getting old. Bring on the Three Sisters and hopefully, eventually BCS.
     
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  18. gtermi

    gtermi Champion (750) Texas Apr 21, 2010

    Can't we all just get along!
     
  19. air

    air Savant (360) Texas Mar 28, 2007

    Who cares. At this point, it's pure speculation. Sure, it's unsettling and I admit that I do fear the worst. When it boils down to it, I'd rather wait and see. It's a lot easier and makes more sense than the Chicken Little train of thought.
     
  20. thirdeye11

    thirdeye11 Savant (445) Texas Feb 3, 2009

    Probably everyone in this thread so far. Except maybe you I guess?
     
  21. air

    air Savant (360) Texas Mar 28, 2007

    While I'm at it, I'd really like to see Star Wars episode 7 but Disney something something blah blah blah.

    To me, it makes no sense to have such vocal overreactions when none of us truly have any idea what's going to happen. Big business does not equate to evil in all cases, and the results remain to be seen.
     
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  22. dumptruck81

    dumptruck81 Savant (370) Texas Dec 28, 2011

    I agree with this. I'm not going to completely avoid goose island but I certainly don't feel good about supporting inbev.

    For you guys that are arguing against this, you should really do some reading on Inbev to see what they're about.

    Inbev is a company that's owners are from Belgium and the CEO(Brito) is from Brazil. They purchase a company, rape it, and then move on to purchase the next.

    "This is where Brito shines. After InBev bought Anheuser-Busch, he slashed costs at the combined company by $1.1 billion in a single year."
    "For a number-crunching manager like Brito, an old, family-run company like Anheuser-Busch provided plenty of opportunities for cuts. He laid off approximately 1,400 people, about 6 percent of the U.S. workforce."

    Another way they cut costs is by using lower quality ingredients.

    So they're hollowing out companies and sending the money back to Belgium, Brazil, or somewhere else. They're doing this by cutting jobs(american jobs) and lowering the quality of they're products. They have plans on buying out Pepsi Co.

    IF these type of things don't bother you, then congratulations on having no conscience. I'm not saying to never drink their beers but I certainly don't want to send too much money their way.
     
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  23. thirdeye11

    thirdeye11 Savant (445) Texas Feb 3, 2009

    Exactly this. Most people will never take the time to read up on the subject, but hopefully they'll read your snippets to at least get a fraction of the picture. I agree that big business doesn't automatically equate to evil. For instance, I like shopping at Target, but I really dislike shopping at Wal Mart. A big part of it is the company's mission/values and how they treat workers and vendors.
     
  24. Lutter

    Lutter Advocate (650) Texas Jun 30, 2010

    *pariently waits for this to hit Austin*

    BTW: Without AB, this beer would've probably never made it to Texas. Respect. I'll buy their vintage releases until they ship brewing out of Chicago.
     
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  25. DanzBorin

    DanzBorin Initiate (0) Texas Apr 11, 2012

    Well, not by distribution channels. ;)
     
  26. Lutter

    Lutter Advocate (650) Texas Jun 30, 2010

    Well, duh.

    My dad is a native Chicagoan (Chicagoite?) and goes up there at least once a year and would always bring some back. He's thrilled that they're getting it in Florida now.
     
  27. DanzBorin

    DanzBorin Initiate (0) Texas Apr 11, 2012

    I even have Pre-InBev GI for those who prefer. lol

    Sadly, not much. Even more sad, only 1 more 09 BCBS.

    I will, however, be glad to have a TX poured Matilda. :D
     
  28. AdamR46

    AdamR46 Aficionado (185) Texas Nov 18, 2011

    I've got a bottle of matilda from 2010. Found it sitting on a shelf in a indiana liquor store. I hope I can get a keg of matilda for the kegerator or 312
     
  29. DanzBorin

    DanzBorin Initiate (0) Texas Apr 11, 2012

    I need to try one of my old Matildas. It's a 2006 or 2007 IIRC.

    I prefer it fresh on tap than from a bottle. On tap I find it's got a bit more twang.
     
  30. Well this thread went to hell realllll quick......
     
  31. Lutter

    Lutter Advocate (650) Texas Jun 30, 2010

    This is going to be the theme now on GI threads.
     
  32. icetrauma

    icetrauma Savant (495) Texas Sep 7, 2004

    Da intrawebz is cereal bizness!
     
  33. DanzBorin

    DanzBorin Initiate (0) Texas Apr 11, 2012

    Anybody venture out yet to blow the foam off a Sofie or Matilda?

    <Tries to get this one back on the rails>
     
  34. DonD

    DonD Aficionado (240) Texas Jun 23, 2008

    Hoping Matilda is still on tap at Petrol tomorrow.
     
  35. DanzBorin

    DanzBorin Initiate (0) Texas Apr 11, 2012

    I doubt it'll be a rarity.

    I probably won't be out and about for a while, but I'm not super scared.

    I'd like to try Sofie on tap.
     
  36. thirdeye11

    thirdeye11 Savant (445) Texas Feb 3, 2009

    They actually already do have some brewing contracted outside of Chicago. Honkers and IPA (and perhaps others, those are the only ones I'm sure of) are both brewed under contract in New Hampshire.
     
  37. DanzBorin

    DanzBorin Initiate (0) Texas Apr 11, 2012

    312 is too. I would think most everything in their standard bottling (the ones with the big goose on it) will eventually leave the brewery as well.
     
  38. kmello69

    kmello69 Advocate (505) Texas Nov 27, 2011

    So other than BCBS, I've not tried any of their beers, but have an '11 Lolita, a '12 Juliet, and an '09 Christmas Ale in my cellar (generous Chicago friends). Which should I try first, and why?
     
  39. DanzBorin

    DanzBorin Initiate (0) Texas Apr 11, 2012

    Juliet is the best from your list. I have yet to open a Lolita, but based on Juliet and Madame Rose, I'd think it's probably pretty good.

    Their Christmas Ale is solid, and Sofie and Matilda are good too.

    I can live without Honkers and 312.
     
  40. thirdeye11

    thirdeye11 Savant (445) Texas Feb 3, 2009

    Here's a poll that seems appropriately timed for this conversation, regarding whether or not it matters who produces the beer you buy:

    http://polldaddy.com/poll/6715811/
     

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