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Is Goose Island Night Stalker infected?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by geneseohawk, Jan 3, 2013.

  1. Horbar

    Horbar Member

    Location:
    Rhode Island
    If there's smoke, there's probably fire.
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  2. tai4ji2x

    tai4ji2x Member

    Location:
    Massachusetts
    or some people just don't like barbeque
  3. creepinjeeper

    creepinjeeper Member

    Location:
    Illinois
    Had mine night before last. Date was 11/19/2012 1315. Since it was my first, I have nothing to compare it to except for other stouts. I was relieved that when I smelled it, then tasted it, it tasted fine.
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  4. Arenbeer

    Arenbeer Member

    Location:
    Connecticut
    Drinking a 11/19/12 bottle batch 1517. Nose is unpleasant, resembles sweet soy sauce and cat pissy hops kind of like Sam Adams Triple Bock. Taste follows with super dark fruits and umami soy that is quickly over taken by strong grassy and plastic like flavors from the hops. Definitely will not be finishing this glass nor the bottle. Do not recommend buying this batch, I had this beer for the first time a couple years ago and I remember absolutely loving it despite being against what I appreciate in Imperial Stouts. Very disappointed.
  5. rfbenavi80

    rfbenavi80 Member

    Location:
    Missouri
    Just drank a bottle of this from 11/19/12 with a 1324 time stamp. I have never had this before but if this is what it is supposed to taste like I find it hard to believe the score that it has. This was really a mess of a beer with very odd flavors. Look, I'm not looking to stir the pot or add fuel to a fire that is already raging. I'm just saying that this in no way resembles the base beer for Bourbon County Brand Stout. It just plain tastes awful.
  6. screwcitybeernut

    screwcitybeernut Member

    Location:
    Oregon
    Opened up a Nightstalker bottle (11/19/12/ - 1410) a week ago at our Thirst Fursday beer & wine tasting at the Olympic Tavern in Rockfrod IL, and I'm getting the same off flavors reported above.

    There's very little perceptible hop aroma or bitterness compared to batches I remember from years ago (as I remember NS, it was a HUGE hop monster, kind of like fresh Bell's Expo). No question about it - there's a big soy sauce thing going on mid palate. And the body of the beer is a bit thin compared to BCS.

    I have had several customers already complain about the same off flavors -- I bought their beers back (when they'd allow it) and I'm sending the case back to our distributor for a refund.

    Soy/meaty flavors is usually due to dead yeast. Hopefully the problem is a bottling line/contamination issue, and is limited to the 22s, as I have a 1/6bbl in the basement that I'm really hoping tastes like it used to.

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  7. marshmeli

    marshmeli Member

    Location:
    New York
    Had a bottle last, tasted great, huge hope aroma once I opened it...
  8. DarkMagneto

    DarkMagneto Member

    Location:
    Illinois
    My bottle dated 11/19/12 1233 was god awful. Contacted GI about it. Easily the worst tasting beer I've ever had. Infected definitely.
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  9. Drucifer

    Drucifer Member

    Location:
    Illinois
    Night Stalker is not the base beer for Bourbon County. It simply has the same malts with different amounts and a completely different hop schedule that drastically affects the taste. It is based off the recipe for Bourbon County's base beer (Cook County stout I think it's called? I may be wrong), but Night Stalker is not what goes into the barrels.

    My bottle was fine, but definitely had a piny aftertaste due to the late hop additions. It was very unique and to be honest, I wasn't a huge fan. That doesn't mean others were not infected or different. Are some of the bottles fine? Do some people expect Bourbon County's base and are disappointed? Are some actually "infected"? I would say yes to all of these questions.
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  10. zachattack555

    zachattack555 Member

    Location:
    New Jersey
    I had this for the first time recently at Northside Lounge on tap. Tasted like pure soy sauce. I was tempted to return it as I was almost positive it was not supposed to taste like that. I've never had such a negative experience with what was supposed to be a very good stout. I usually love Goose Island products and most stouts
  11. mmikey8

    mmikey8 Member

    Location:
    California
    I guess that explains why I got 3 of these as extras (1 from each different person) in recent trades :(
  12. iL0VEbeer

    iL0VEbeer Member

    Location:
    New Jersey
    I had it on tap the other night at Maloney's in NJ. Absolutely disgusting. I couldn't finish the 6oz glass.
  13. Coirm

    Coirm Member

    Location:
    Illinois
    What did GI say? I have 3 more bottles, one I drank was, in a word, ungood.
  14. notjustgc

    notjustgc Member

    Location:
    New Jersey
    1509 is drinking great. I mean, Night Stalker is weird! But not infected. At least not this bottle.
  15. notjustgc

    notjustgc Member

    Location:
    New Jersey
    By 1509 I mean 11/19 1509.
  16. ldhughes3

    ldhughes3 Member

    Location:
    Louisiana
    had one tonight 11/19 1240 and it was great
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  17. djre4orm

    djre4orm Member

    Location:
    Virginia
    I had a 4oz draft pour from a local taphouse last night & was shocked. I thought I'd get some BCBS flavors; instead all plastic, soy, smoke, mealy. I actually thought it was a smoked beer until I confirmed the description online. Gotta check the bottle number in my cellar. Hopefully we can get to the bottom of what happened between batches
  18. jmckinney2323

    jmckinney2323 Member

    Location:
    Ohio
    Mine date 11/19/12 1314 was definitely infected. I opened it and the smell was "odd" but didn't give me an infected smell, but then I tasted it and I couldn't get down more than 2 sips. One to try it and the 2nd to confirm was my first taste was telling me. Unfortunately I had to drain pour it. I emailed Goose Island just letting them know. I really don't care if I get my money back or anything as compensation. I realize these things sometimes happen.
  19. tai4ji2x

    tai4ji2x Member

    Location:
    Massachusetts
    what does "mealy" taste like? or are you describing texture/mouthfeel?
  20. djre4orm

    djre4orm Member

    Location:
    Virginia
    The mouthfeel was medium to thin. Taste: hearty / wood / smokey / meaty. I guess thats the savoriness of the soy / teriyaki hints.

    Wasn't as sour as some of the other infected beers ive had. *Some* sourness but nothing like a Cigar City infection
  21. notjustgc

    notjustgc Member

    Location:
    New Jersey
    I think there are a lot of people misinformed about the indications of an infected beer.

    It's possible there's some kind of defect going on, but none of the described flavors, aromas, etc. would indicate an infected bottle. Maybe some yeast autolysis at some point in the fermentation, maybe some rotten hops, but certainly no indication of a bacterial (or even brett) infection. Not from what I've read throughout this thread anyway.
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  22. wunderbeer

    wunderbeer Member

    Location:
    Pennsylvania
    I'm drinking 11/19 1649 and it's fine. Too fresh for my taste with the piney hops, but I'm not picking up any infected qualities.
  23. cogitodp

    cogitodp Member

    Location:
    Illinois
    Definitely get some cherry notes, though not saying it is a bad beer. But, it does not taste like previous versions of nightstalker. It reminds me of '09 abyss.
  24. jjheinrichs

    jjheinrichs Member

    Location:
    Wisconsin
    Wasn't 09 abyss infected?
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  25. jplopez21

    jplopez21 Member

    Location:
    Illinois
    I thought this whole 'infected' thing was a joke. But I just opened up a madame rose a couple hours ago and it smelled like vinegar and tasted nasty. Granted I've never had it before, but I've had plenty of belgian ales and they def dont taste nowhere near this bad.
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  26. beerinmaine

    beerinmaine Member

    Location:
    Maine
    Madame Rose is a SOUR beer. It's not supposed to taste like most other "belgian ales". Do you have experience with sours?
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  27. jplopez21

    jplopez21 Member

    Location:
    Illinois
    I guess that makes sense then. Thanks for the heads up. It was definitely not my style of beer.
  28. beerinmaine

    beerinmaine Member

    Location:
    Maine
    Yes, what he said.

    Reading back through here, the only consistent complaints I see are cherry/fruity, thin mouthfeel, and soy. No sour funk, brett, graham cracker, gushing bottle signs of infection.

    I suspect there are some bottles that are off in some way -- but as I said earlier, I can't imagine how it could be an entire batch bad/infected/off, since we have bottles filled within moments of each other, some supposedly good and some bad.

    I think the rest is a combination of people not liking the style, not liking the beer, not liking GI/InBev, or not knowing what to expect.

    I've got a couple in the fridge for this weekend and we'll see how they turn out.
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  29. forrestbetts

    forrestbetts Member

    Location:
    Illinois
    Why would it have any BCBS flavor? It is not barrel aged.
  30. beerinmaine

    beerinmaine Member

    Location:
    Maine
    What was the taste?
  31. beerinmaine

    beerinmaine Member

    Location:
    Maine
    It's not a batch thing. We've got people posting bottle numbers filled minutes apart, with some good and some bad.

    It's not the same beer as BCBS and it's not barrel aged, so I'd be pretty surprised if it had much in common with BCBS flavors. Night Stalker is overwhelmingly a hoppy beer; BCBS overwhelmingly a bourbon-soaked beer.
  32. poopinmybutt

    poopinmybutt Member

    Location:
    Nebraska
    for people who have had this and last years, what do you think the biggest difference is?

    i've had a couple of bottles from this year and i like it so much better than last years but i do agree it's much different. this years has this sweaty hop profile that i actually like a lot, i thought last years was overwhelmingly sweet
  33. ShemRahBoo

    ShemRahBoo Member

    Location:
    New Jersey
    what's with the soy/teriyaki aroma and flavor, I definitely picked this up and not as much hoppiness as others are saying. I don't think the beer was infected but it seemed off to me. I have another bottle for another time, but I wasn't impressed with this beer.
  34. tai4ji2x

    tai4ji2x Member

    Location:
    Massachusetts
    a little disappointed that nobody has gotten a response from GI/ABI yet (or that nobody has bothered to report back on any responses). but only thing i'm currently pissed about GI/ABI right now is that they can't handle distribution for shit, especially for allocated releases, or even stuff like this which one would think aren't as limited as the BCBS variants. i want to be able to try for my damn self already! :mad:
  35. tai4ji2x

    tai4ji2x Member

    Location:
    Massachusetts
    as only a few others have mentioned, soy/teriyaki is usually indicative of either oxidation or yeast autolysis. NOT infection.
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  36. amantini

    amantini Member

    Location:
    Georgia
    I had my 11/19/12 1550 bottle last Friday evening. This beer had the same defective tastes mentioned above. Big soy and salt flavors up front and then a heavy burnt sugar taste that lingered like a saccarin aftertaste. This in no way resembled a hoppy stout. I jumped on the chance to pick this up after visiting family in the Northeast for the holidays. I had never seen Nightstalker in stores and I was excited to try it. However, I was Lennay'd after I learned that the hoppy stout I had anticipated, simply didn't exist.

    In all seriousness though, I was pretty disappointed. I sent an email to GI and I have heard no response. Pretty sure their contact system says they will get back to you in 2 business days. 5 business days later, I am not anticipating a response. It seems like a brewery that is rapidly expanding distribution and is trying to combat the negative ABI association would be quick to rectify a problem like this. Sad beer day.
  37. TheBandit1

    TheBandit1 Member

    Location:
    Michigan
    Drank one yesterday. Tasted great. Piney and hoppy. Really well done.
  38. MarcatGSB

    MarcatGSB Member

    Location:
    Michigan
    Maybe resend it, it could have gotten eaten by their spam filter...I'm sure they get ALOT of emails.
  39. JaysusJr

    JaysusJr Member

    Location:
    Illinois
    I had one recently and it tasted good. Hopefully the one I have saved does also
  40. geneseohawk

    geneseohawk Member

    Location:
    Illinois

    This sir is B.S...... Plenty of knowledgeable BA's on here who have had the style, like the style, like GI/InBev, and knowing what they should expect from Nightstalker over the past several years. Not the same- no way- no how- not happening. Horrible beer that is infected or just made shitty this year..... Iwrote GI and am taking my bottle to them in person.
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