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Is there caffeine in beers brewed with coffee?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by Lare453, Nov 6, 2012.

  1. Lare453

    Lare453 Champion (975) Florida Feb 1, 2012 Beer Trader

    Is there caffeine in beers that are brewed or aged with coffee? I'm assuming there is, but just wanted to get a confirmation.
  2. WankelEngine

    WankelEngine Savant (345) Illinois Mar 28, 2011

    Yes, there will be some caffeine but not very much. But shhhhhh! It's technically illegal to sell alcohol with caffeine thanks to things like 4 Loko and Sparks. Don't ruin coffee beer for everyone.
  3. Yes there is, I know when all of the issues came out from Four Loko having caffeine in there beverages that it some breweries were in jeopardy of not being able to continue brewing their coffee stouts. I actually have a question as to how much caffeine there actually is, I know a lot of breweries actually cold brew their coffee and I wonder how much that effects caffeine extraction.
  4. mattsander

    mattsander Savant (475) Alberta (Canada) Feb 3, 2010 Beer Trader

    This is my "should I drink another Peche Mortel at 11pm on a Monday?" conundrum.
  5. brewbetter

    brewbetter Savant (420) Nauru Jun 2, 2012

    Doesn't cold extraction get more caffeine, not less?
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  6. Just makes me consider a "before noon" brew.

  7. cavedave

    cavedave Poobah (1,070) New York Mar 12, 2009 Beer Trader

    Quiet all of you!!!!!!!!!!! Stop spreading lies.

    There is no caffeine in coffee beers. None.

    Alcohol destroys it all, yeah , that's it, the brewing process destroys it all. All.

    These aren't the droids you're looking for. ;)
  8. cavedave

    cavedave Poobah (1,070) New York Mar 12, 2009 Beer Trader

    Cold extraction, by an interesting chemical process, turns caffeine into chocolate. Completely.
  9. Eriktheipaman

    Eriktheipaman Champion (805) California Sep 4, 2010 Beer Trader

    It's actually not illegal as long as the caffeine comes from a natural source like coffee beans.
  10. Eriktheipaman

    Eriktheipaman Champion (805) California Sep 4, 2010 Beer Trader

    Also I recently brewed a Coffee Porter and put 16 oz of cold pressed coffee into two gallons of beer. I think it ended up only being a couple oz if that in each pint you would drink. So if you drank a whole six pack it wouldn't even add up to one cup of coffee.
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  11. Lare453

    Lare453 Champion (975) Florida Feb 1, 2012 Beer Trader

    It does
  12. I had a founders breakfast stout yesterday at whole foods. It was run through a randal type device and the beer was actually soaking in the coffee beans before it poured, not just running through them. First time I had the breakfast stout but it reaked of and tasted like a huge coffee bomb. Loved it. I can assure you it had caffeine in it.

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  13. Handle

    Handle Savant (415) North Carolina Mar 16, 2009

    I use a Toddy system to cold brew, and they say you get less caffeine (and acidity) when cold-brewing.
  14. brewbetter

    brewbetter Savant (420) Nauru Jun 2, 2012

    I knew you got less acidity, but I thought it was more caffeine. I don't know much about coffee tbh though.
  15. Neorebel

    Neorebel Savant (405) New Jersey Jun 29, 2005

    I wonder what the definitive answer on this is? Seems to be no consensus...
  16. Handle

    Handle Savant (415) North Carolina Mar 16, 2009

    I think the caffeine dissipates the longer it is brewed; with cold-brew, that could be 12 hours or more. You would think it would indeed contain more caffeine, but I think that's just another one of those myths (like a shot of espresso having more caffeine than coffee, or dark roast having more caffeine than light roast, etc.).
  17. mountsnow1010

    mountsnow1010 Savant (380) Vermont Jan 23, 2009

    Well, espresso does contain more caffeine than coffee (by volume) and light roasts have more caffeine than dark roasts (but the difference is apparently negligible).

    Regarding people's concerns about caffeine in beer - the FDA specifically has banned alcohol with added caffeine - i.e., not from a natural source. Coffee-infused beers are totally legal.

    Source: I worked at the FDA during all of this hullabaloo, and also this: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/29/us/29beer.html
  18. ChanChan

    ChanChan Advocate (620) California Dec 12, 2009 Beer Trader

    This thread just gave me a head-ache, or was it the acahol?
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  19. Handle

    Handle Savant (415) North Carolina Mar 16, 2009

    Agreed. It just seems like people think a single shot of espresso is loaded with caffeine, when it's not.
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  20. Momar42

    Momar42 Savant (360) Maryland Sep 19, 2010

    Always and forever "YES".
  21. patkorn

    patkorn Savant (270) California Aug 30, 2007

    I miss four loco with caffeine.
  22. It depends on the beer, how the coffee is encorporated, how much is used, etc. I've heard some breweries state that their coffee stouts have negligible levels of caffeine in them. I've heard others say that theirs has the equivalent of a double-shot of espresso in it.
  23. JRBecks

    JRBecks Savant (425) Illinois Apr 3, 2012

    Might be a dumb question but, Do majority of the popular stouts brewed with coffee contain any caffeine??
  24. Mgm54

    Mgm54 Savant (440) Illinois Apr 7, 2011 Beer Trader

    Try Four Loko Coffe Stout..

    But truthfully I don't know, I would think not.
  25. yamar68

    yamar68 Champion (910) Minnesota Apr 1, 2011

    If a beer is brewed with coffee or even just coffee beans, it will have at least trace amounts of caffeine.
  26. thecraftculture

    thecraftculture Aficionado (170) Florida Nov 28, 2012 Beer Trader

    Yea if coffee has no added caffeine and it has caffeine, then I would assume a coffee stout would have some kind of levels of caffeine.
  27. This. I remember reading on a blog that Founders had said FBS has roughly 25mg caffeine per bottle. Can't find the source, and I don't remember it looking particularly reputable. Maybe someone can confirm/deny?

    For comparison, that would be roughly in between a cup of hot cocoa and a cup of tea.
  28. JRBecks

    JRBecks Savant (425) Illinois Apr 3, 2012

    That is what I thought. I would assume most brewers/breweries are putting coffee into the mash tun which would be similar to brewing a pot of coffee. Just not sure the effects of the caffeine when it is put through the boil.
  29. leedorham

    leedorham Champion (855) Washington Apr 27, 2006

    The amount is tiny compared to the banned caffeine-fortified drinks.

    A really strong coffee beer would use maybe a pound of coffee in a barrel at most. That's the bean equivalent of 96 servings of strong coffee diluted in 336 12oz servings of beer. So less than 1/3 cup of coffee in each beer.
  30. OneBeertoRTA

    OneBeertoRTA Advocate (660) California Jan 2, 2010 Subscriber Beer Trader

    Would laugh if all the teenagers getting blasted of Four Loko moved on to coffee stouts.
  31. loafinaround

    loafinaround Savant (415) New York Jul 16, 2011

    YES! When pregnant, you obviously can't have either alcohol or caffeine. After my monster was born (4 years ago), I quickly re-developed my alcohol tolerance. Caffeine tolerance never returned. If I were to drink even 1/2 of one of the lovely red bottles in my avatar after 8pm, I'd be up until 3am :( This is a big problem for a girl who lives for coffee stouts.
  32. RoninTK3

    RoninTK3 Savant (440) New Hampshire Nov 12, 2012 Beer Trader

    I remember seeing somewhere, thought it might have been founder's site, that breakfast stout has about the same amount of caffeine as a cup of hot cocoa.
  33. this isn't entirely accurate... the caffeine can't be "deliberately" added. Basically caffeine can't be added to beverage alcohol for the sole purpose of it having caffeine. But if an ingredient "necessary" to flavor contains caffeine, then it is not illegal. This means that coffee stouts are fine, because coffee (which contains caffeine) is necessary to make a "coffee stout". This is also why you can still order a cuba libre, irish coffee, vodka redbull, etc. at a bar.

  34. This is an amazing beer.
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  35. jcb7472

    jcb7472 Advocate (545) Florida Jul 13, 2011 Beer Trader

    I might be crazy, but it seems like I'm getting a caffeine buzz from Terrapin Wake 'N Bake right now...
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  36. To all those who believe coffee infused beer is getting them a caffeine buzz, perhaps you are being tricked by the placebo effect; the flavor of coffee plus the minute traces of caffeine in the brew combined with alcohol are tricking your brain into believing you are receiving the effects of drinking a coffee.

    You may have encountered this similar effect in some younger people, claiming to be and acting very drunk, even though they have had little to absolutely no alcohol. They believe they are intoxicated because they want to impress others despite their extraordinarily limited or non-existent experience with alcohol.

    This is just a proposition, not a factual statement. I mean no disrespect to anyone else's unique experience, which I can only digest from my own perspective.

    Cheers, Sláinte, Cin Cin, Salud, Prost, Na zdrowie, Kanpai & Salute!
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  37. sacrelicio

    sacrelicio Advocate (635) Minnesota Feb 15, 2005

    Yeah, Kahlua has a small amount of caffeine and it's been around for awhile now, and not going anywhere.
  38. all I know is when I drink I 4pack of fbs I sleep like a baby
  39. cavedave

    cavedave Poobah (1,070) New York Mar 12, 2009 Beer Trader

    Placebo effect or not, after a few Breakfast stouts I definitely have a nice caffeine rush to go with the alcohol buzz. Perfect way to start a day off I must say. Think I'll grab a couple now.