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Mega Micro Merger?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by 19etz55, Feb 3, 2013.

  1. 19etz55

    19etz55 Savant (430) New Jersey Aug 12, 2007

    Just a thought. What two microbreweries would you like to see merge to form a mega microbrewery?!!! But then would it still be a microbrewery? And is a mega microbrewery an oximoron? Appreciate you thoughts.
  2. As long as they stay below 6 million barrels per year it would be still considered a 'micro' brewery. I believe that is the threshold that separates the micro from the macro.
    Ale Smith and Allagash. Ale smith with their great IPA's and Stouts and Allagash with their expertise with Belgian Beers. Would be a great merger.
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  3. Russian River and Jacks Abby. I think they could literally make every kind of beer imaginable in world class style. (Lagers + ales + wilds/sours = win)

    Alchemist/HF and Sierra Nevada. Mass produce those IPAs/DIPAs.
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  4. Wisconsin

    Wisconsin Savant (405) Wisconsin Jul 24, 2008

    How about Founders and Bell's? Imagine Hopslam and the trio of stouts (KBS, CBS, FBS) being merged from two breweries in one state. Those are just the special releases. The regular line up and seasonals are dam good too.
  5. MrDanno96

    MrDanno96 Savant (390) Ohio Aug 26, 2009

    I think 6 million barrels is the Brewers Association's limit for a brewery to be a "craft" brewery. Microbrewery just means a really small brewery; though now a days, microbrewery is sort of becoming a synonym for craft brewery.

    Semantics aside, how about Great Lakes and Russian River? Awesome year-round lineup that covers all the style bases, incredible IPAs, BBA stout, sours galore, and Belgians, plus Great Lakes' wide-ranging distribution. Talk about a super brewery.
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  6. mcrago

    mcrago Savant (405) Indiana Oct 6, 2012

    Three Floyds and Surly?
  7. Shagator

    Shagator Savant (420) Kentucky Mar 17, 2012

    How about Hopslam with one of those stouts in a black and tan sort of way
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  8. Russian River and Victory. RR in charge of ales and Victory in charge of lagers.
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  9. Wisconsin

    Wisconsin Savant (405) Wisconsin Jul 24, 2008

    This would be amazing too.
  10. This is a tread that has no basis.
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  11. How so? What's so wrong with just pulling crazy fun ideas out of your ass?
  12. Casedogg43

    Casedogg43 Advocate (525) Indiana Jan 4, 2012 Beer Trader

    That's pretty nice.

    I think FFF & RR would be decent ! Doh
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  13. 19etz55

    19etz55 Savant (430) New Jersey Aug 12, 2007

    I'm going to go with Sam Adams and Dogfish Head. Sammy has come out with a ton of new brews in the last so many years. And Dogfish is always looking to experiment and come out with different brews.
  14. Well there is that...
  15. kingofhop

    kingofhop Advocate (565) Oklahoma May 9, 2010

    Sam Adams and Sierra Nevada would probably squish and squash everybody's azz.
  16. I see where you're coming from, I just enjoy this type of stuff. It's kind of like fantasy football for beer geeks.
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  17. You that up on notgoingtohappen.com.
  18. OK I get it. Total BS. Carry on.
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  19. TomClem

    TomClem Savant (325) Nebraska Mar 7, 2012 Beer Trader

    Cigar City & Odell
    Hills Farmstead & lagunitas
    AleSmith & Sierra Nevada
    Russian River & Thunderhead
    New Glarus & Goose Island
  20. kingofhop

    kingofhop Advocate (565) Oklahoma May 9, 2010

    maybe. But I never thought I'd live to see the day when Budweiser and Beck's were owned by the same corporation. Hey, I just awoke from a deep REM and I don't know what's real or imagined!
  21. Anchor and Sierra Nevada - 2 of the OG craft brewers combining forces to crank out even more tasty, reasonably priced beers.
  22. Why would any of those be good combinations?
  23. Perhaps I missed the point of this thread.
  24. Mr_Brodie

    Mr_Brodie Aficionado (135) New York Dec 13, 2012 Beer Trader

    Sierra Nevada and Hill Farmstead.
    SN ia the craft masters of high quality production and distribution.
    HF is the master of the craft of beer making.
    Put them together and everyone in the US will be enjoying this goodness.
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  25. brewbetter

    brewbetter Savant (420) Nauru Jun 2, 2012

    FFF and Surly
    Stone and DFH
    Victory and Troegs
    Ballast Point and Green Flash
    The Bruery and Firestone Walker
    Deschutes and Bell's
    Russian River and Allagash
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  26. You're kind of missing that each of those two has a competing brew that is in the same class. Double Trouble, Java Stout, and Black Note overlap the ones you named above (save CBS). Add in the fact that their year-round IPAs are both all-Centennial (Two Hearted, Centennial), and they both make excellent APAs and Porters, and it's really not a good match at all. Add in that they are located 50 miles from each other and have a lot of overlap in their current distribution, and it gets even worse. But then, most of the ideas on this thread haven't been very well-thought out, so you're not alone.
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  27. Hawkharvs

    Hawkharvs Aficionado (225) Iowa Sep 9, 2012

    Second the FFF and Surly...with everything available in 16oz cans.
  28. Gregfalone

    Gregfalone Savant (375) California Sep 5, 2012 Beer Trader

    Stone and rogue. THAT would be a powerhouse in the craft beer world.

    Stone collaborates with lots of other brewers though, so I guess it wouldn't be necessary. Have they collaborated with rogue yet?
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  29. Why be a dousche?
  30. jesskidden

    jesskidden Champion (810) New Jersey Aug 10, 2005 Subscriber

  31. fx20736

    fx20736 Advocate (685) New York Mar 7, 2009

    Seems to me the ideal candidates would be smaller/ regional microbreweries that have limited distribution and a core series of beers that is small or only has a few good beers and some mediocre ones. Keeping those criteria in mind I would like to see Harpoon (Boston) and Shipyard (Portland, ME) merge, hire a new brewmaster of Garret Jones caliber and revamp most of their lineup. Shipyard IPA and Export Ale could be radically overhauled or dumped. I would like them to end up with a liineup of styles something like this:

    English Pale Ale
    Extra Special Bitter
    English IPA
    English Porter
    Irish Dry Stout
    Scotch Ale
    Irish Red Ale
    Bohemian Pilsner
    Kolsch style Summer Ale
    Winter Warmer
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  32. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Poobah (1,420) Wyoming Sep 14, 2002 Beer Trader

    None. I can just see the chaos.."I'm the head brewer", "no, I'm the head brewer". ;)
  33. Lare453

    Lare453 Champion (975) Florida Feb 1, 2012 Beer Trader

    cigar city and russian river.

    imagine the beers and wilds that would come out.
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  34. rlcoffey

    rlcoffey Advocate (515) Kentucky Apr 20, 2004

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  35. rlcoffey

    rlcoffey Advocate (515) Kentucky Apr 20, 2004

    Seems like a real bad idea. One of Two hearted and Centennial would have to go away.

    Also, not exactly a merger of equals, they are radically differently sized breweries.

    Between 2010 and 2011, Bell's grew by more barrels than Founders made in 2010.
  36. rlcoffey

    rlcoffey Advocate (515) Kentucky Apr 20, 2004

    Its already happened ... Pyramid and Magic Hat merged in about 2008.
  37. Imagine the sour goodness to come out of Crooked Stave and Hill Farmstead!
  38. MarcatGSB

    MarcatGSB Advocate (670) Michigan Jan 8, 2011

    Won't be long before Founders out produces Bell's...
  39. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Poobah (1,420) Wyoming Sep 14, 2002 Beer Trader

    It may have happened but I'm still firmly against mergers.
  40. rlcoffey

    rlcoffey Advocate (515) Kentucky Apr 20, 2004

    Yes it will be.

    Bells was 181k in 2011, Founders was 41k. Yes, Founders is growing faster but that will slow down when they get closer to Bells in size. Bells grew 17% in 2011, vs 67% for Founders, but that wont last forever. And despite the much larger growth RATE for Founders, Bells grew 26k in 2011, Founders only grew 16k. So the gap actually got larger, in pure barrel terms.

    There seems to be a very common misconception on BA about the size of Founders.
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