Michigan Winter Beer Festival on 2/23/2013

Discussion in 'US - Great Lakes' started by raymo55, Jan 24, 2013.

  1. Lansman

    Lansman Savant (410) Illinois Mar 19, 2011

    At the top, it says that ** beers require three tokens for 3 oz.

    Bolt Cutter has the ** designation next to it in the list.
     
  2. So beers with an * will require 2 tokens, and those with ** will require 3?? That's a first. "Special" beers costing more than 1 token? That doesn't make any sense. The tokens don't have any monetary value, and the breweries aren't making money by being there, it's purely promotional. The tokens only exist for the purposes of MI liquor law, there has to be an exchange of something in return for the beer. Asking for multiple tokens per beer doesn't make any sense. Am I missing something?
     
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  3. Lansman

    Lansman Savant (410) Illinois Mar 19, 2011

    This might be in place to discourage people (or at least make it 'costly') from getting full pours of limited beers to allow for more people to get a taste.
     
  4. raymo55

    raymo55 Savant (475) Michigan Oct 3, 2011

    Charging extra tokens for "special" beers may be the beginning of the end of WBF.

    Pffft...what am I saying.....
     
  5. Jose2412

    Jose2412 Aficionado (240) Michigan Feb 25, 2012

    Excuse my ignorance because this will be my first Winter Beer Fest, but how does the whole token system work??
     
  6. MarcatGSB

    MarcatGSB Initiate (0) Michigan Jan 8, 2011

    Shawn, your ass is grass.
     
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  7. raymo55

    raymo55 Savant (475) Michigan Oct 3, 2011

    Haha....I am riding a bus (yes...probably a short one) from Walldorff to the WBF....I will be drunk WAY before you, MarCat!
     
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  8. Jose2412

    Jose2412 Aficionado (240) Michigan Feb 25, 2012

    Go Green.
     
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  9. GRDave

    GRDave Aficionado (205) Michigan Oct 7, 2011

    I've always understood that the breweries do get paid by the guild for the beer they bring, hence the $35 ticket price. The breweries collect the tokens as a form of 'proof' that they 'sold' their beer. They, of course, are not discouraged from brining other beer at their cost. I had discussed this with some of the smaller breweries back when the fest moved to GR.

    At the end of the day, I also believe that the increase in tokens are purely to discourage excessive consumption by a small group of people. Gotta spread the wealth.
     
  10. steebo777

    steebo777 Advocate (535) Michigan Jun 30, 2009

    Has nothing to do with beer. Reporting.
     
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  11. rjm217

    rjm217 Aficionado (160) Michigan Mar 18, 2011

    So the real question is, are they going to actually make me use my tokens? I might have to find all my leftovers from previous festivals to bring just in case.
     
  12. GRDave

    GRDave Aficionado (205) Michigan Oct 7, 2011

    When you get into the fenced in area, you will exchange your ticket for a 5oz plastic cup with 15 wooden tokens in it and a map with the 'taplist'. At this point you look around, inhale the toxic aroma of campfire mixed with grilled meat including hamburgers and the biggest turkey legs you've ever seen. Gaze over the crowd of 7000, white tents surround you, hundreds of beers await your selection. Each token grants you one 3oz pour of the beer of your choice (except for the ones marked with asterisks). You will notice that the big boys (Founders, Bells, Dark Horse, Greenbush, Shorts, etc.) will have long lines, and a longer wait. Pick a line, when you get up to the table, hand over your glass, drop a token in the tub, tell the pourer your bevy of choice, then enjoy.

    Rinse and repeat...often. If you run out of tokens, you can buy additional ones. If you're a savvy vet, you have discovered that not all breweries care if you hand over a token or not. This allows you to have a stockpile of 30 or so extra tokens accumulated for years past. Wink wink.
     
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  13. WITTBEER

    WITTBEER Savant (255) Illinois Jan 12, 2008

    Being from out of state, I can't wait to try beer from a lot of breweries I've never had before. This is gonna be awesome!!
     
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  14. Corbet

    Corbet Savant (340) Michigan Nov 7, 2010

    My poor liver.
     
  15. tommyz

    tommyz Advocate (510) Michigan May 28, 2007

    Wow, just went and saw how many breweries are actually "charging" more and its quite a few of them..Truly a shame..Also, Hats off to DarkHorse for NOT doing this with their Big Beers..
     
  16. steebo777

    steebo777 Advocate (535) Michigan Jun 30, 2009

    At least I'll finally be able to use some of the excess coins I have. Must have 4 bags worth at home.
     
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  17. adamdd

    adamdd Savant (330) Michigan May 9, 2011

    What's a Mar Cat? Is it one of those fancy designer cats like a Bengal Tiger cat? Now you are picturing Marc as a fuzzy kitten. You're welcome.
     
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  18. camil1mj

    camil1mj Savant (415) Michigan Oct 4, 2010

    I think it's awesome that Dark Horse and Greenbush don't have any beers as 2 or 3 token beers and find it hilarious that Witch's Hat has almost all of their beers as 2 tokens. They must really think highly of themselves. This system is obviously a joke.
     
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  19. mjshearer1

    mjshearer1 Advocate (540) Michigan Dec 16, 2011

    Those fortunate souls going should also check out Rockford Brewing. Small taplist, but their offerings are solid, especially for a four month old brewery:

    Rockford Country Ale: Actually do not know what this is. Must've been specially brewed for the fest.
    Sheehan's Irish Stout: An Irish coffee stout, something I haven't had before, so I was pleasantly surprised by it.
    Rogue River Brown: Pretty smooth, good body, good nut flavor.
    Hoplust IPA: Big citrus hops, you'd swear this was made in California, not Michigan.
     
  20. MarcatGSB

    MarcatGSB Initiate (0) Michigan Jan 8, 2011

    Initial quick hit list for me:
    Blackrocks Saison Bruin
    Blackrocks Double Ginger IPA
    All three Barrel Aged Sours from Vivant
    Dark Horse Aigre (please, please not be horrible, again)
    DH Lambeek wants Dragonfruit (read above)
    Livery BA Bastard
    Odd Side BA Mayan Mocha

    I'll probably spend a good 6 tokens at Greenbush, and hover around their tent/line for a good hour blasting thru what they got, awesome list!
     
  21. tommyz

    tommyz Advocate (510) Michigan May 28, 2007

    Yeah, that disappointed me about Witches Hat as I do like the brewery..But Ive had Most of those and I dont believe they are worth 2 tokens..I do like the BA X-mas beer though..I can see that being **
     
  22. Jose2412

    Jose2412 Aficionado (240) Michigan Feb 25, 2012

    Are these different batches than the bottles that were from 4elf? I was going thru Marshall the day after 4elf so I ended up buying a few bottles, haven't opened them yet, as I'm kind of afraid from what everyone is saying.
     
  23. Jose2412

    Jose2412 Aficionado (240) Michigan Feb 25, 2012

    Thanks Dave! It's much appreciated!!!
     
  24. steebo777

    steebo777 Advocate (535) Michigan Jun 30, 2009

    Yeah, those are horrendous bottles and they should NOT be selling them.
     
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  25. Lansman

    Lansman Savant (410) Illinois Mar 19, 2011

    The fact that they are still available two months after 4Elf is a bit of a warning sign as to the quality of the brew...
     
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  26. yock

    yock Aficionado (205) Indiana Jun 22, 2005

    Once again, I can't access the MBGmash website from work. Can someone please post the list in .pdf format without mbgmash in the address line? Thanks so much.
     
  27. MarcatGSB

    MarcatGSB Initiate (0) Michigan Jan 8, 2011

    It's a good list.
     
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  28. JohnB87

    JohnB87 Savant (350) Michigan Mar 14, 2011

    Thanks for your help.
     
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  29. sarcastro

    sarcastro Savant (415) Michigan Sep 20, 2006

    Like GRDave said, I have heard the Brewers Guild has to buy the beer from the breweries. Maybe they are trying to recoup costs for certain more expensive beers now. I have no idea how the pricing works, but that would be my guess.
     
  30. superjose

    superjose Aficionado (220) Michigan Mar 22, 2007

    I can tell you first hand that no one inventories the tokens afterwards
     
  31. raymo55

    raymo55 Savant (475) Michigan Oct 3, 2011

    Yeah....great list....you're really missing out.
     
  32. Jose2412

    Jose2412 Aficionado (240) Michigan Feb 25, 2012

    Here's to hoping that Kuhnhenn brings some of that Blueberry Eisbock. This is really the only chance I would have to try it.

    Edit: Nevermind. I heard Kuhnhenn isn't even coming to the Fest. Y'all better avoid their table.
     
  33. JohnB87

    JohnB87 Savant (350) Michigan Mar 14, 2011

    I heard that there will be tons of Blueberry Eisbock available at the MBG fest on Sunday....
     
  34. tommyz

    tommyz Advocate (510) Michigan May 28, 2007

    So, I actually talked to a brewer about the ** designations and they are not happy about it..The breweries are not the ones that put those out..The Guild did..They also said that the list is not done and that there are beers they do not show a * yet but will end up with * ....Just wanted to let you guys and gals know
     
  35. camil1mj

    camil1mj Savant (415) Michigan Oct 4, 2010

    Great....I knew it was too good to be true that Greenbush and Dark Horse didn't have any asterisks. Looks like I will be using all the tokens I have accumulate from prior fests.
     
  36. steebo777

    steebo777 Advocate (535) Michigan Jun 30, 2009

    Laaaaaaame
     
  37. I hope it is snowing like an MF'er and cold as a witches tit during Winter Fest.....maybe it will fend off the wannabes and non believers.
    He'll be fine as long as he has those fuzzy blue gloves. :p
     
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  38. MarcatGSB

    MarcatGSB Initiate (0) Michigan Jan 8, 2011

    The 2x and 3x tokens will only be better for the small breweries in the long run. I personally won't give up 2 or 3 tokens for a beer, when there are so many good ones (and new to my palate) 1 token beers to be found.
     
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  39. steebo777

    steebo777 Advocate (535) Michigan Jun 30, 2009

  40. raymo55

    raymo55 Savant (475) Michigan Oct 3, 2011

    You know those will make an appearance.
     

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