Discussion in 'US - Great Lakes' started by lwburns15, Dec 11, 2012.
Looks to be taken care of. Got a few replies
Opened a bottle at Fff. Its legit. Coming from someone who stills hates regular baller.
if anyone wants to do this for someone who will be coming home for holidays next week.... i'd love you forever (SW suburbs or city)
This beer sounds great, call me crazy but I really liked regular Baller Stout too. I got a bottle of Alpha Kong for ya if any one has an extra.
I should've bought you one. I was too drunk to care about other people.
I'll see if I can swing by tomorrow if you want.
No worries, a friend of a friend wentandpickedoneupformebro as an early Christmas present. But thank you for the offer. Friends are awesome
Wife and I each just bought one.
I figure I have to help make sure they don't go out of business, and this charitable donation is tax deductible, right?
Really, what it is, is this, for me.
Baller would be a fine beer at $10-15.
It's not as good as they probably hoped it would be.
In Nov, we did a baller deconstruction, and like other folks, we felt that all 4 were better than the blend. Maybe some folks had poorly cellared Weasel, as ours was great. Our Black Albert was older, so that may be unfair, but it was the best of the 4.
Anyhow, I didn't love last years DL, and didn't really LIKE this year's DL, but the BA beers from both, I have LOVED. So it was worth the risk. It's overpriced. But I felt like peeing money, because Alpha King was on cask, and I very much enjoyed Blot Out The Sun. Either way, someone gotta buy dis beer.
Does anyone know/have any info on whether this was blended to taste rather than just blended evenly like Baller?
Taste/Cost ratio is key in this instance. BCBCS is legit, and a 750 ml version would cost around $25-$30 based on a price of $21.99-$24.99. Would I pay $30 for a 750ml bottle of BCBCS? More than likely.
Not the best example, granted, but BBPt5 is also quite good. 2.11 bottles of BBPt5 = 750 ml. The cost would be $11.43 for a 750ml bomber. I would pay twice that price if BBPt5 were in bomber form, and I'm sure many would do the same.
Then by all means, please leave it there so I can pick more up when I come home for the holidays!
Or you can look at it as only a 66% markup on the non barrel aged. Opposed to Dark Lord, which has a 233% "barrel aging fee".
By the way, I hate math. Those numbers are highly suspect.
If people buy them, they are worth the price paid.
And then you can cmonmangetoneformetoo
Agreed. My point was if they used standard Dark Lord price scheme, Murda'd should be $100.
That graph was so 2003. I'm not convinced
By the way, I'm seeing people post that Murda'd was a blend of each of the four beers individually barrel-aged, THEN blended. Doesn't make much sense. Until someone confirms it in this thread, I'm not buying it.
Between Westy and Murda'd, yesterday hurt my wallet...and my shoulder once my girlfriend found out.
Just to clarify - I'm not saying $50 is outside the bounds of reasonableness. I was asking if it is worth spending the $50 in response to the post stating that it was very good. My apologies if my response came off as saying that the $50 was not reasonable - such was not my intent.
Oh no, I knew exactly what you were asking, I was just trying to talk you into passing
I think it is purely speculation, but maybe Lurchingbeast or Sean can chime in since they cracked a bottle (and have strong opinions on the base beer). Maybe a deconstruction is necessary (although finding BA Darkness and Negru Albert might prove to be a fool's errand).
I talked to the staff on Tuesday night when it was released. There were 8 bourbon barrels. Two barrels each were filled with Dark Lord, Darkness, Black Albert, and Beer Geek Brunch. They sat for 12-14 months and then were blended to taste. Zero kegs filled, approximately 900 bottles.
They did not blend pre-barreling. That's why they didn't just call it "BA Baller Stout", because it's not technically BA Baller Stout.
Anyone know if this is still on?
I grabbed a couple Tuesday but would be interested in stopping by again for another bottle or two should it still be around today-tomorrow.
PS - Excellent info, Anonymous1
They probably saw there was a lower demand for Baller Stout, so lowered the price of the BA version.
Well that's good to know if its true (not that I don't trust you, I've just found FFF staff aren't always the most reliable sources ). Hopefully blended better than Baller as well!
That's just what the guy told me, because that was my first question as well.
"Did you guys blend then age, or age then blend?"
He definitively stated that the reason that they didn't just call it "BA Baller" is because they aged before blending, so it wouldn't be accurate to call it BA Baller.
What if they accidentally blended it to taste with the same ratio as Baller?
A good point.. but if it was 8 barrels of total barrel aged stout, I'd imagine 8 barrels total all bottled would be considerably more than 900ish bottles, no?
Good point, that's just what he told me. Here's my math:
53 gallons in a bourbon barrel x 128 (oz per gallon) x 8 barrels / 25.35oz (oz per 750ml bottle) = 2,141 bottles?
Let's say the barrels are ~10% evaporated due to the Angel's share so ~1,900 bottles. Then let's assume they needed to do some blending to get the right taste instead of using 25% across the board to achieve 100% yield.
Even if it's 26%, 26%, 24%, 24% they're looking at reducing the yield on several barrels (which could possibly be unblended, bottled and given to friends, etc.) Let's say the residual yield after blending is 85%, we're looking at ~1,600 bottles.
I'm sure several were held back for family, friends, investors, the Surly guys, Mikkeller, De Struise etc. I know we're not quite at 900, but it didn't seem all that unreasonable to me.
Also I'm not a brewer/blender so someone else may be able to have a better idea what type of yields you'd get with an 8 barrel blend. That's just what the guy told me.
That all depends. If you're blending to taste you could use all of one beer and a minute amount of another... that'd be an impossible thing to predict (eg: Firestone Walker's Anni. beers).
Upwards of 2 bottles!
It's safe to say you're Baller-in' then, yes?
I was told there'd be no math.
Yep, that was my point. If the beer was 50% Dark Lord we're looking at only ~900 total bottles after the angels share and before any bottles were held back for friends, family, other brewers, etc.
This. Although, you do bring up good points.
I'm still waiting for someone to post a photo of 12 bottles with the caption: "Murda'd was the case that they gave me"
What does this mean?
It's a Snoop Dogg reference.
I always thought the problem with the base beer Baller Stout was the whack job dry hop they did with the blend. I mean even if you did a 1:1:1:1 blend, it shouldn't have came out that bad considering they are all about the same style. It would have been better if they did to taste (less DL, more Darkness, less Struise, more Mikkeller) but I think the result that was that mess was due to the dry hop.
Now if those base beers weren't dry-hopped (which I assume they weren't) and then barrel aged and then blended, I can see the result being pretty damn good. Hence what I am hearing but again it could have been even better if they blended to taste.
Huh? This is literally the first I've ever heard it mentioned that Baller Stout was dry hopped... source?
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