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Needed: List of Fake Craft Brews

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by GaryGreen, Jan 3, 2013.

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  1. jesskidden

    jesskidden Champion (810) New Jersey Aug 10, 2005 Subscriber

    Well, that may be the direction the OP and some posters are taking. I'm pro-knowledge, so I answer questions - the answers of which, in this case, are often hidden by the breweries involved with the use of 'dba' names and contract brewing. I don't know --- if someone on the street asks me for directions to the County Courthouse, I don't ask them first why they're going there.
  2. crossovert

    crossovert Champion (810) Illinois Mar 29, 2009

    i didn't think the requirement was to be owned by a big conglomerate, just shitty beers passing themselves off as craft
  3. crossovert

    crossovert Champion (810) Illinois Mar 29, 2009

    i just came up with a list of psuedo craft beers, the owners dont have anythign to do with it.
  4. buzze40

    buzze40 Savant (335) Illinois Mar 9, 2010

    So are there cases of social injustice by Bud or Miller?
  5. whiterabbit

    whiterabbit Savant (315) Ohio Jan 24, 2010

    1. Franziskaner Weissbier (Germany)
    2. Franziskaner Hefe-Weissbier
    • Franziskaner Hefe-Weissbier Alkoholfrei
    • Franziskaner Hefe-Weissbier Dunkel
    • Franziskaner Hefe-Weissbier Leicht
    • Franziskaner Weissbier Kristallklar

    This discovery brought a tear to my eye...... always good, not as good as
    Weihenstephaner, but despite list, if offered any of the above, I am going to accept it without hesitation......
  6. buzze40

    buzze40 Savant (335) Illinois Mar 9, 2010

    there are craft brewers passing shitty beers off as craft too. those will fail on their own by natural selection
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  7. otispdriftwood

    otispdriftwood Advocate (730) Colorado Dec 9, 2011 Beer Trader

    Don't you think that's a little radical? How about a little boycotting or picketing first.
  8. LeRose

    LeRose Advocate (725) Massachusetts Nov 24, 2011 Subscriber

    <Yawnnnnn> did I miss something?
  9. Sludgeman

    Sludgeman Champion (790) District of Columbia Aug 17, 2012 Beer Trader

    Can you explain to me what these "some things" are?
  10. jtg5678

    jtg5678 Savant (330) Illinois Nov 27, 2012 Beer Trader

    I wouldn't say bad labor practices are the only pre-requisite to deciding whether or not you want to support a company. I have seen a few people here opting not to buy anything under the BMC umbrella due do its detrimental nature to the craft beer industry. But it's not as simple as not buying Bud Light or Miller Lite; these companies own and produce a lot of other beers that, while some can be considered good, people choose not to support.

    Again, I don't want to speak for the OP as the intent wasn't clear, but to me the idea of "fake" is to say that it's owned by one of these conglomerates and to buy from them is to financially support their less-than-ideal cause.
  11. How does this work exactly? People decide that they want to be dicks, and express this by not buying Goose Island beers? People don't have the right to choose which brewers they want to support with their hard earned dollars? Whom exactly are they being "dicks" to?
  12. Easy there, buddy.

    You're going to sit there and tell me people don't write off GI just because InBev acquired them, regardless of the product which stands on its own?
  13. Sludgeman

    Sludgeman Champion (790) District of Columbia Aug 17, 2012 Beer Trader

    What is their "less-than-ideal-cause?" Making a profit selling a beer that people like well enough to buy?
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  14. jtg5678

    jtg5678 Savant (330) Illinois Nov 27, 2012 Beer Trader

    I believe you're missing his point. Some people don't only side with quality. I'm astonished so many here can't fathom this idea.
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  15. Perhaps "dicks" wasn't the best word to use on my end. But what you're describing is what I think is referred to as "being a hater."
  16. jtg5678

    jtg5678 Savant (330) Illinois Nov 27, 2012 Beer Trader

    "Cause" wasn't the right word. Less-than-ideal tactics, perhaps? My point is, some people don't want to support huge conglomerates that muscle smaller companies out of contention. Just because it's the point of BMC to make as much money as they can doesn't mean one has to support it, regardless of quality.
  17. MarcatGSB

    MarcatGSB Advocate (670) Michigan Jan 8, 2011

    Okay, fair enough. I interpreted the OP's "corporate swill" comment as being large brewers who are rebranding their product to appeal to so called craft enthusiasts.
  18. jtg5678

    jtg5678 Savant (330) Illinois Nov 27, 2012 Beer Trader

    Have to disagree. "Hating" on something is to dislike it because everyone else is hyping it. It's to be that guy who pops into a Zombie Dust or Heady Topper thread and says "meh." No one is saying GI doesn't make fine beers, which makes it so far from being a hater to opt out of buying their beers for the sake of upholding a personal value (i.e. not supporting AB-InBev).

    Note: I make no such distinctions when I purchase; I purchase based on quality and interest in the style. But to begrudge someone for having a value beyond the quality of the product is sort of blowing my mind right now.
  19. I believe that staying away from business that muscle smaller breweries off of tap lines and out of bottle shops is more important. I think there's a large portion of craft brewers that, even though they recognize you as their comptetion, still would like you to do well. I think that is a wonderful thing and what the craft community should be all about. Inbev, as far as I understand, does not support craft beer in such a way. They support craft as long as they are making money off of it, sure. However, they won't hesistate to find a way to keep a small up-start brewery from prospering. As such, I'd prefer not to support Inbev, regardless of the quality of their products.
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  20. I agree with a lot of what you said, and perhaps read into things earlier, incorrectly. But the beginning of this, I have to disagree with. Mainly because I am one of those who after acquiring a 4 pack of Heady, failed to see why it was sought after with such a ravenous desire. If I'm following you definition correctly, and I might not be, but I'm not allowed to dislike it even with my personal tastes, because it is widely known as a "good" beer? My own preference labels me as a hater, regardless of anything else?
  21. Sludgeman

    Sludgeman Champion (790) District of Columbia Aug 17, 2012 Beer Trader

    I don't support a brewer because it makes money or doesn't make money. Of course if the brewer does not make money it will probably not stay in business long. I would be interested in hearing from a brewer - do you try to make as much money as you can while still maintaining a viable business? If its just about how big a brewer is and how much profit it makes, I don't understand. I would go with what I like (i.e. quality) everytime.
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  22. No, I'm going to tell you that such people do not in any way fit the definition of "dick," and if you think they do, I'd like you to explain how.
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  23. jtg5678

    jtg5678 Savant (330) Illinois Nov 27, 2012 Beer Trader

    No, you aren't a hater because you actually disliked it (or at least didn't see the hype). To "hate" is to dislike it because it is well-liked.
  24. I'll give you that if people are saying "Fuck that shit, I don't like it!" And have never had it.

    Are people saying that? If so, than they are just idiots and what they say should not have any weight in any regard.
  25. jtg5678

    jtg5678 Savant (330) Illinois Nov 27, 2012 Beer Trader

    Really, you don't understand? You don't simply just "disagree?"

    Tell me, if BMC's flagship beers were of the quality of Goose Island, would you still want them running the vast majority of the market? Because I personally wouldn't. If you do, fine. Agree to disagree.
  26. SenorHops

    SenorHops Savant (475) Rhode Island Aug 10, 2010

    I refuse to buy anything from Goose Island since they were bought by AB.
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  27. jtg5678

    jtg5678 Savant (330) Illinois Nov 27, 2012 Beer Trader

    You're right, they shouldn't have weight, but it is extremely difficult to gauge sincerity of opinion on the internet (hence why everyone gets mislabeled a hater if they simply disagree with something).
  28. Seems to me the issue should be less about whether or not one of the big conglomerates owns or invests in a particular brewery, and more about whether or not the brewery/label is simply a front for beer that's being directly mass-produced by said big conglomerate at one of their pre-existing facilities, but marketed like it's some independent craft brand.
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  29. SammyJaxxxx

    SammyJaxxxx Poobah (1,045) New Jersey Feb 23, 2012 Subscriber Beer Trader

    I guess this is true if you are morally bankrupt
  30. Sludgeman

    Sludgeman Champion (790) District of Columbia Aug 17, 2012 Beer Trader

    I'm missing something. I have ten bars and five bottle shops within 10 miles that serve all sorts of beers brewed by large and small brewers (not to mention the hundreds of other places that haven't decided to focus their business on craft brews, but still carry a stray brew or two). This issue of a big company muscling a smaller brewer off the tap line or out of the bottle shop does not seem to be happening in the DC area.

    And to your point about craft brewers still wanting their competition to do well. I think that only goes so far. Go talk to the craft brewer who's in the red because he/she can't sell enough beer because there's a better brew in the region. I've worked in industry's with lots of small businesses. Everybody is friends as long as they are each achieving their financial goals.
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  31. Chaz

    Chaz Poobah (1,090) Minnesota Feb 3, 2002 Beer Trader

    The topic of the Original Post -and this entire thread- seems so familiar. Hmm.

    I'm just waiting for JessKidden to post the relevant link to a now-familiar PDF.
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  32. I appreciate you conversing with me in a respectable way.
  33. I am happy to hear that you haven't experienced it in DC. Unfortunately, I have heard of it happening around my area. My friend who owns a bar said that Inbev reps threatened to stop delivering Bud Light (her biggest seller) if she didn't put Shock Top on the tap line. Could she have made this story up? Sure. But I don't know why she would. That kind of behavior is not cool in my book.

    I agree with your last point about the craft community being supportive, but only to a point. Nevertheless, there is some support there to begin with. I don't see the same coming out of Inbev.
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  34. jtg5678

    jtg5678 Savant (330) Illinois Nov 27, 2012 Beer Trader

    Same! I hope we can get some more interesting discussions/debates going on these forums!
  35. SammyJaxxxx

    SammyJaxxxx Poobah (1,045) New Jersey Feb 23, 2012 Subscriber Beer Trader

    Yes. I refuse to purchase anything owned by AB/InBev. I will not put a dime in their coffers.
    AB/InBev is bad for craft beer. If you chose to support them, I will continue to choose to be judgmental.

    It is not "Stick it to the man." I have nothing against the man. (I'm a 46 year old white guy that just got whacked by the new tax reforms. In many people's eyes, I am "the man.") I do have a problem supporting corporations that take actions I find morally wrong. I choose not to support those corporations when possible.
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  36. jtg5678

    jtg5678 Savant (330) Illinois Nov 27, 2012 Beer Trader

    I think BMC muscling people is less likely to happen at extremely-devoted craft beer bars that don't even carry the product (or very little of it). The problem exists in these middle-ground bars that have your BMC and a few crafts as well (aka the vast majority of bars in this country, and thusly where most people might make the jump to craft).
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  37. SammyJaxxxx

    SammyJaxxxx Poobah (1,045) New Jersey Feb 23, 2012 Subscriber Beer Trader

    You call it being a hater, I call it a moral compass.
  38. I sold my soul to Rock n Roll and BCBS
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  39. evilc

    evilc Initiate (0) California Jan 27, 2012

    rofl at the implication that DRINKING A BEER by <insert company> could ever make someone "morally bankrupt".

    Gotta love BA.
  40. SammyJaxxxx

    SammyJaxxxx Poobah (1,045) New Jersey Feb 23, 2012 Subscriber Beer Trader

    Similiar story, liquor stores near me were strong armed to but in Goose Island and Stella displays. These displays, three foot wide and four shelves high take 12 feet of shelf space each. Goosie Island had about three feet of shelf space prior and Stella less. This removes 18 feet of shelf space for other craft beers.
    If their Goose Island experiment works, AB/InBev will acquire other craft brewers and use these acquisitions to force out additional brewers. The AB/InBev will limit 80% of your selection to 3 or 4 craft brewers that they own.
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