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peche n brett, and abyss/butte 24

Discussion in 'US - Northwest' started by jefeld, Jan 17, 2013.

  1. draheim

    draheim Poobah (1,050) Washington Sep 18, 2010

    Does anyone else think Peche 'n Brett should arguably be considered a saison rather than a wild ale? It's based on Seizoen Bretta, and Logsdon bills itself as a farmhouse brewery. When I tasted it I immediately thought saison, loosely along the lines of Boulevard Saison-Brett but with peaches. I guess I'm just not sure that every beer that uses Brett yeast should be categorized by default as a wild ale. There are plenty of other Brett beers that aren't.
     
  2. oregone

    oregone Savant (375) Oregon Jul 2, 2008

    Yes. I think I even spoke to that in my review. Saison with a bunch of peach.
    I read American wild ale as bracingly sour. Which Peche is not.

    Perhaps a style like the Brewers Association would be appropriate for the non-sour, all-Brett or Brett driven beers: American Brett ale. Which I still wouldn't put Peche in to as Brett is less dominant than it's Saison character and isn't the primary fermenter.
     
  3. hopsbreath

    hopsbreath Savant (475) Oregon Aug 28, 2009

    I said the same thing in my review last year. After discussing it further with msubulldog who added it to the database on BA, he convinced me that the addition of oak introduced some microbes to the mix and justified the "wild" designation. This years seemed even more wild than last years to boot so I'm okay with it's current classification.
     
  4. teddyarrowhead

    teddyarrowhead Savant (360) Oregon Oct 23, 2009

    Yes, they are, in fact, last year's labels. I spoke with Charles Porter (one of Logsdon's brewers) about this. As long as it has the trophy on the smaller neck label, it is this year's PnB.
     
  5. draheim

    draheim Poobah (1,050) Washington Sep 18, 2010

    Following up on this question. I wrote to Logsdon shortly after posting my question here, thinking who better to classify the style of this beer than the brewery. I just received the following message from David Logsdon (director/head brewer):
    "Our Peche 'n Brett is not a saison or a wild ale. It could be categorized as an American Style Brett Ale.
    Cheers!
    David"

    BA already changed the classification of this beer from American wild to saison, based on an update request I submitted a couple weeks ago. Since "American Style Brett Ale" is not a designated style on BA I'm inclined to leave it alone, but if anyone feels strongly that Peche 'n Brett should be classified here as an American wild ale, go ahead and submit another update request. All I know is, it's tasty!
     
  6. oregone

    oregone Savant (375) Oregon Jul 2, 2008

    Sounds fair enough.
    I think that brett is acceptable to nearly everyone in a saison, whereas lack of sour in a wild isnt necessarily accepted. Meets the saison style in my opinion, but obviously a deviation from. American brett ale might be closer, but its hardly the defining character either.
     
  7. jefeld

    jefeld Aficionado (205) Illinois Mar 31, 2010

    i think the most important point is that there are certain beers that cross over different and various categorizations, and can easily be classified as more than one style of beer. many porters/stouts, wilds/saisons, etc.