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poor house brewing

Discussion in 'US - Pacific' started by pinkgrenade, Sep 27, 2012.

  1. pinkgrenade

    pinkgrenade Savant (250) California Aug 19, 2011

    http://www.yelp.com/biz/poor-house-brewing-company-san-diego (note the 24 filtered reviews and the ones that violated yelps terms and have been completely removed)

    have any of you been yet? i wont be going back but was curious if their beers were finally on tap yet?

    also i thought it was by the guy from firehouse that screwed all those investors out of money, but one of my coworkers was telling me its his ex wife?
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  2. huadog

    huadog Savant (340) California May 13, 2009

    A lot of times reviews are filtered because the user has a very small amount of reviews. If they continue to review places they earn more 'credibility' and they will pop out of filtered land. Hopefully they do because it looks like most were poor reviews but it's a bummer when they are good reviews. Yelp does this so that restaurants don't give bonuses to users for reviewing them - chances are it would be there first and it would go into seclusion.
  3. MacNCheese

    MacNCheese Initiate (0) California Dec 10, 2011

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  4. pinkgrenade

    pinkgrenade Savant (250) California Aug 19, 2011

    i know why it happens, just bummed to see this place with a 4 star rating for how crappy it is!
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  5. huadog

    huadog Savant (340) California May 13, 2009

    agreed - very big misrepresentation.
  6. Xul

    Xul Advocate (500) California May 18, 2008

    Interesting...it's about a block and a half from me and I've looked inside while walking past it on the way to TigerTiger or Toronado, but hadn't yet stopped in. Based on some of the negative reviews and knowing it's the Firehouse guy, I think I'll be continuing to walk past it unless I hear something shockingly positive about it.
  7. tyrsis

    tyrsis Savant (360) California Mar 13, 2009

    I walk by it all the time, and it's always obnoxiously loud - it has a dive bar vibe, not a small brewery tasting room vibe. I'm also curious how they have guest beers on... don't they need a difference license for that?
  8. MacNCheese

    MacNCheese Initiate (0) California Dec 10, 2011

    You'd have to see their license and it's restrictions I'm guessing. By law it must be posted. But I can't name another brewery that serves guest beer, has a pool table etc.... And they're not a brewpub, no kitchen. Maybe he knows someone and got an exception. How big is the brewhouse?
  9. pinkgrenade

    pinkgrenade Savant (250) California Aug 19, 2011

    i just cant wrap my mind around how people enjoy going in there. you can go to a much nicer bar and get the same beer for less money. i love an unfinished look but their unfinished look is actually unfinished. paper on the windows, exposed wiring that is breaking codes, and the disgusting bathroom...

    i saw on facebook that on the 17th of every month they serve green beer. how charming
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  10. Xul

    Xul Advocate (500) California May 18, 2008

    Based on their license type (23), it looks like they should be required to have a kitchen to serve beer they didn't brew. http://www.abc.ca.gov/permits/licensetypes.html (the PDF at the bottom gives details). The quickest analog I could think of, Monkey Paw has dual licenses - types 23 and 47, and a kitchen. Not sure if Poor House has an exception, or if I'm missing some detail about the license types, but it's quite surprising.
  11. MacNCheese

    MacNCheese Initiate (0) California Dec 10, 2011

    Monkey Paw is also only filling growlers from the brewery side, not the pub side. I think that's interesting since Pizza Port fills 'em from the pub side taps. No idea why they're doing that. There can be a lot of conditions to a license as well, I have no idea how it all works out since it's done on a case by case basis.

    Wasn't Hess serving guest beer for awhile?
  12. afrokaze

    afrokaze Advocate (620) California Jun 12, 2009

    Are you talking about Firehouse in nor cal? If so then I wouldn't go near his brewpub.
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  13. I went the other night and they had 0 house beers and were over priced for local beers.
  14. MacNCheese

    MacNCheese Initiate (0) California Dec 10, 2011

    Perfect business plan for a brewery: serve no house beer, overcharge for others. Bankruptcy 2.0
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  15. Funny we all live in the same hood
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  16. I don't think all of those reviews are being automatically filtered; quite a few have been removed altogether. That either means that the owner or some other staff is aggressively challenging some of the reviews (and greasing the palms of the Yelp powers that be), or some people saw fit to carry out a very negative campaign against the place. Not that I'd trust Yelp too much on a microbrewery or a craft beer bar.

    I see absolutely no reason to ever set foot in this place, with the alternatives nearby.
  17. It is very much a license issue for us at Monkey Paw. We have the permit to sell growlers at our type 23 (the brewery) and not at the pub (restaurant). So that's how we have to do it.
  18. mrkrispy

    mrkrispy Savant (410) California Apr 5, 2006

    you guys had to deal with some extra crap because of the neighborhood, correct?
  19. MacNCheese

    MacNCheese Initiate (0) California Dec 10, 2011

    Monkey Paw needs a pass-thru window from the brewery to the bar. Alcohol licenses seem to be the biggest pain-in-the-ass things to aquire and hold.
  20. MacNCheese

    MacNCheese Initiate (0) California Dec 10, 2011

    http://www.poorhousebrew.com



    Does anyone know how to search the old BA forums for details about how Firehouse went under? I have a good idea, but wanted to double check. Or if anyone has first hand knowledge pipe up.
  21. MacNCheese

    MacNCheese Initiate (0) California Dec 10, 2011

    The West Coaster SD did a short piece about Poorhouse to expose the owner's shady past:

    http://www.westcoastersd.com/pdf/wcNov2012.pdf Page 24.

    The more people I talk to the more are still irate this guy somehow got a license together after the fiasco and flat out ripping people off he did while in charge of Firehouse. Didn't realize he was divorced but that may tie into his creepy drooling over his bartenders. This clown is not loved by the local beer industry.
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  22. Coincidentally enough, that same issue has an article on El Cajon Brewing declaring Chapter 11.

    DRAMA!!!
  23. MacNCheese

    MacNCheese Initiate (0) California Dec 10, 2011

    ha, I saw that as well. Now if we can only tie in Airdale brewing to those that closed/are closing.
  24. Was their any buzz about that? I recall that they pretty much disappeared at the beginning of 2012, but I don't remember much drama behind that.
  25. MacNCheese

    MacNCheese Initiate (0) California Dec 10, 2011

    No drama that I'm aware of. They were contract brewing and just didn't have a good business plan IIRC and flamed out. Sort of a San Diego tradition for breweries to go down in epic flames of ill will and court cases.

    I'm sure PoorHouse will suffer a similar FireHouse II fate, lord knows the beer they're producing on "their brewhouse made entire of scrap metal", toss in a few sexual discrimination/workplace suits and boom: drama drama drama.
  26. Xul

    Xul Advocate (500) California May 18, 2008

    So can we look forward to a joint venture of casting couch brewing between Stephan Meadows and Christopher Finch once both ECBC and Poor House go down in flames?
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  27. Backroom casting couch?
  28. DrtyBvrJuce

    DrtyBvrJuce Initiate (0) California Jan 17, 2013

    If this place caught fire I bet the fire dept would only insure neighboring buildings didn't burn down.
  29. evilc

    evilc Initiate (0) California Jan 27, 2012

    Haha they got killed in WC. Slutty looking bartenders can hold some restaurants open, a brewery - I doubt it.
  30. MacNCheese

    MacNCheese Initiate (0) California Dec 10, 2011

    Christopher Finch method of profit:

    1) get investors, including your brothers the firemen
    2) open brewery, lie to people they're supporting their local firefighters by purchasing your product
    2a) brew a boring pale and hefe.
    3) short sell your kegs to fuck over other breweries and obtain tap space
    4) fuck over distribution truckers (see article)
    5) get a massive fine from TX for running beer into the state BEFORE you're licensed there
    6) Open a larger brewery
    7) Investors wonder where their profit is? So do the firefighters.
    7a) screw over your investors and the firefighters
    8) Get kicked out of your own company
    9) New owners realize the who operation is so fucked No One will brew for them and the equipment is fucked
    10) bankruptcy& liquidation
    11) divorce
    12) angry villagers don't forget and keep a torch lit and a pitchfork handy

    13) rear your ugly head, create a new brewery based on a shoe string budget, scrap metal brewhouse and again make bad beer and instead of using firefighters to sell company, use young women.
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  31. I believe you are thinking about the Firehouse in SJ that sells atomic wings that can actually turn your ass into firehouse the next morning. Right?
    afrokaze likes this.
  32. I thought Brent Musberger taught us its not creepy to find attractive young women to be attractive!

    Anyways, we've got a long bad traders list. . . time to start a bad owners list I guess!
  33. afrokaze

    afrokaze Advocate (620) California Jun 12, 2009

    Yep, and the beer/business plan sounds exactly the same: hire hot chicks who know jack shit about beer to sell half-assed product.
  34. aztec87

    aztec87 Zealot (95) California Aug 30, 2012

    the fact that there are profiles of the bartender girls on their webpage really creeps me out. its basically hooters level stuff. totally average beer and the place looks stupid and is way too bright.
  35. tyrsis

    tyrsis Savant (360) California Mar 13, 2009

    Complain all you want, I walk by this place 3 or 4 times a week. It's always loud and packed in there.
  36. Alpine

    Alpine Aficionado (115) California Feb 16, 2004

    Don't bother. It is the firehouse loser.
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  37. I wonder how much of their own beer they sell? Seriously, if they didn't even bother to brew their own beer, wouldn't they be better off?
  38. MacNCheese

    MacNCheese Initiate (0) California Dec 10, 2011

    This is a PSA as to why BA's should avoid the place, and spread the word.
  39. tyrsis

    tyrsis Savant (360) California Mar 13, 2009

    Yeah, never been in and I doubt I ever will. Don't support places like this.
  40. MacNCheese

    MacNCheese Initiate (0) California Dec 10, 2011

    I will go in to sample the house beer just to say I know for a fact they make shite, not just what I heard. However, I have no plans to do this anytime soon.

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