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potential bad trader...advice from the community, Ace_of_Suds

Discussion in 'Beer Trading Talk & Help' started by kbuzz, Jul 24, 2014.

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  1. kbuzz

    kbuzz Advocate (590) Pennsylvania Jan 22, 2011

    Posting this on behalf of a BA I know who had a really bad first experience with trading (well, shipping anyway - he has some IP experience). He is hesitant to post anything, but I thought the facts warranted at least advice from others...

    FACTS:

    - I know a BA who shipped out a box in January to another BA.
    - The box was received by the other BA and confirmed to have been received via post in the hauls thread.
    - To date, the BA I know has said he has not received a box in return.
    - There was no official trade request completed by the BA I know (hence his hesitancy to raise the issue).
    - According to the BA I know, the other BA replied to messages for a while with excuses until finally he just started ignoring messages.
    - The BA in question is still active (last post was earlier this month)

    My thoughts, as a third party who is upset by the behavior but doesn't want to overstep any bounds, is to kindly send the potential bad trader in question a private message with a link to this post and ask him to provide tracking for a box within a specified amount of time or else his name will appear in the thread.

    Thoughts? Am I going about this the right way...I welcome all opinions seriously...I just don't think this is right...and want to do something if I can. But I will gladly delete if it's not my place to push the issue.
     
    Last edited: Jul 24, 2014
  2. I'm of the mindset that the accused should be able to confront his accuser. Threads like this one needs the 2 persons directly involved in the trade to hash it out as there will be several back and forth and 2nd hand responses/information tend to not hold much weight.
     
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  3. You need to call him out here publicly... especially so others who trade will know exactly who this BA in question is...
     
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  4. kbuzz

    kbuzz Advocate (590) Pennsylvania Jan 22, 2011

    I sent the accusor and accused a link to this if they'd like to become involved....
     
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  5. black13

    black13 Savant (420) Oregon Apr 11, 2010

    This is the correct avenue. If the accused fails to respond (once they have logged on) the accusor needs to start a thread and call him out. Also, the accusor gets an award for the most patience I've seen in a long time. 7 months without a box!
     
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  6. kbuzz

    kbuzz Advocate (590) Pennsylvania Jan 22, 2011

    Well he has posted comments here and there in threads where the accused has since been active. So he's not been totally patient.
     
  7. jrnyc

    jrnyc Advocate (640) New York Mar 21, 2010

    Beer sent in January, accused needs to be named here and now.
     
  8. NJBeer265

    NJBeer265 Advocate (645) New Jersey May 21, 2013

    This would be the correct avenue after 3 - 4 weeks but we are talking about 6 months now. It is time to name him in the thread.
     
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  9. King_Ranch

    King_Ranch Aficionado (150) Texas Feb 19, 2014

    With all the bad trade threads here and several where the same person seems to have stolen from more than one BA, why are people still reluctant to bring details to the community?

    I'd say remaining quiet about a bad trader is almost as bad as being a bad trader yourself since your situation brought to light could potentially detour others from starting trades with the bad trader.

    I'm still in a trading freeze until the barrage of bad trader threads dies out.
     
  10. So maybe never? The more people trade the more chances for more problems! Find good trading partners and stick with them exclusively.
     
  11. Mag00n

    Mag00n Savant (390) New York Nov 21, 2008

    If the facts are as you present them, the word 'potential' shouldnt be in the title. You should also out the guy. This also shouldve been made 5 months ago.

    Also, posting it in the hauls is pretty brazen.
     
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  12. kbuzz

    kbuzz Advocate (590) Pennsylvania Jan 22, 2011

    I'm not staying quiet...I posted this with every intention of this dude being outed...it's just a matter of how it's gonna happen. Is it gonna be me, the accusor or accused who names names?

    Rest assured if the accused sees my message and doesn't come here immediately, I'll be posting his name.

    Just found out about it yesterday...tried to get my "facts" straight first...but it's also entirely possible that these are not all the facts...although pretty damn likely...
     
  13. tommyz

    tommyz Advocate (510) Michigan May 28, 2007

    Kudos to you for posting, but I personally find it bullshit that this was not posted months ago and that this guy is still not named. He could be screwing other people over...

    One of the things about being a good BA, is letting people know of a bad trader..sitting by while this guy is possibly ripping other people of ridiculous...
     
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  14. blue-dream

    blue-dream Moderator (760) Illinois Aug 22, 2013 Staff Member

    Just out him already so we can let the dogs loose. I dont want to ever trade with this guy, his name has to be put out there.
     
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  15. I'm sorry, but as much as it pains me to see another bad trader screwing people over and I understand how upset and unfair you may feel, no matter how close you are to the BA or what you have seen from the facts, you can never have all the facts. There may be omission of facts, intentionally or unintentionally, and if I were the accused, I would not be responding to someone I did not deal with. The BA who got screwed should man up and call out the bad trader himself. I keep a running list of bad trader threads in my profile, but no way I'm putting this thread in that list because the accusation comes from a 3rd person.
     
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  16. Mag00n

    Mag00n Savant (390) New York Nov 21, 2008

    Did some detective work....think I know who the victim is, very excited to see if Im correct.
     
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  17. KJ2013

    KJ2013 Savant (410) Pennsylvania Apr 14, 2013

    I am the one who got screwed. I have called him out privately and publicly already on any thread he has posted on for the past month. I have warned anyone he has tried to trade with and this is all after giving him numerous opportunities to come clean on things. I think I gave him an incredible amount of time and patience, which has lead to no conclusion. So I have certainly not kept this quiet in any way and I do want as many as possible to know that Ace of Suds is a cheat and ripped me off
     
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  18. KJ2013

    KJ2013 Savant (410) Pennsylvania Apr 14, 2013

    check any of his posts and you will see a response in the thread from me, calling him out and warning others
     
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  19. mps

    mps Savant (295) Ohio Jul 27, 2013

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  20. Mag00n

    Mag00n Savant (390) New York Nov 21, 2008

    Damnit I was wrong
     
  21. King_Ranch

    King_Ranch Aficionado (150) Texas Feb 19, 2014

  22. kbuzz

    kbuzz Advocate (590) Pennsylvania Jan 22, 2011

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  23. KJ2013

    KJ2013 Savant (410) Pennsylvania Apr 14, 2013

    He would occasionally send me some excuses and so I would give him more time and tell him all is well. Then i contacted the one guy he completed a trade with, and he said their trade went well, so I gave him more time based on this. But after a while he ceased all contact and I heard nothing. Even after calling him out on different threads, he says nothing.
     
  24. blue-dream

    blue-dream Moderator (760) Illinois Aug 22, 2013 Staff Member

    Maybe a few more people need to call him out on the different threads, i have a lot of time. @Ace_of_Suds whats up with this? Always like to hear both sides. @KJ2013 i hope this public shamming gets him to send you your beer.
    @cfh64 got some free time?
     
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  25. mps

    mps Savant (295) Ohio Jul 27, 2013

    What beers are you out if you don't mind me asking?
     
  26. Brewski

    Brewski Savant (400) Pennsylvania Jul 22, 2012

  27. Funny... @Ace_of_Suds has completed 2 trades in the last week.... and he still hasn't sent you your beer??
     
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  28. Sorry you got screwed, but you kinda need to detail your experience in the call out. You're forcing each of us to go around and digging for information piece by piece. I went to several of his posts and this was all I found, a 1 liner about how he didn't send anything to you: http://www.beeradvocate.com/communi...s-bissell-bros-lots-more.191174/#post-2565713 . We need your whole story and facts from you and hope that he will respond, then we can go from the, i.e decide for ourselves.

    @King_Ranch, @Queen_of_Suds knows @Ace_of_Suds (http://www.beeradvocate.com/communi...u-drinking-now-406.133504/page-9#post-1942670), but I feel for now this is between KJ2013 and Ace_of_Suds. Until we hear the story from either side, it's unfair to involve her, who may not know anything about this at all.
     
  29. mps

    mps Savant (295) Ohio Jul 27, 2013

    Sorry my post was unclear...I meant what beers should he have received that he didn't
     
  30. KJ2013

    KJ2013 Savant (410) Pennsylvania Apr 14, 2013

    They are on the link kbuzz posted of what i sent him
     
  31. KJ2013

    KJ2013 Savant (410) Pennsylvania Apr 14, 2013

    I'm not giving things piece by piece. I am at work and just jumping on to reply as I can. I saved our whole conversation from the beginning if you want to read it all.
     
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  32. I feel like bad trader posts that don't name the accused are pointless, it's a giant waste of time to read through everyone trying to play a game of BA clue.
     
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  33. Mag00n

    Mag00n Savant (390) New York Nov 21, 2008

    May want to read the whole thread and join us in the here and now :cool:
     
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  34. KJ2013

    KJ2013 Savant (410) Pennsylvania Apr 14, 2013

    Yea I do not understand this guy at all. I even made a point on this thread to say that I contacted a guy on here who did a trade with him and said all went well. I wanted to be honest about the whole thing, including the fact that it is odd that he traded fine with a few others but nothing to me.
     
  35. KJ2013

    KJ2013 Savant (410) Pennsylvania Apr 14, 2013

    I said his name with my first reply on the thread. Ace of Suds
     
  36. blue-dream

    blue-dream Moderator (760) Illinois Aug 22, 2013 Staff Member

    Post the conversation here for everyone to read.
     
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  37. KJ2013

    KJ2013 Savant (410) Pennsylvania Apr 14, 2013

  38. HopFace

    HopFace Savant (385) Pennsylvania Feb 29, 2012

  39. blue-dream

    blue-dream Moderator (760) Illinois Aug 22, 2013 Staff Member

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  40. Mag00n

    Mag00n Savant (390) New York Nov 21, 2008

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