Thought I'd start a new thread here -- inspired in part by Bodd's visit to Braukunst Live, but also by the steady stream of stories about new brews (and breweries) coming out of Germany these days. I'm looking for input on what we're seeing now in Germany with both an influx of U.S.-inspired styles, as well as a revival of traditional styles by both new and established breweries. My question, in short is: do you think the developments in Germany constitute more of a brewing renaissance (or rebirth) or a rebellion? For comparison, I tend to think of the first wave of microbrewing in the U.S. as more of a rebirth and a revival of (primarily) English-inspired styles, while this latest wave has more hallmarks of a rebellion (breaking with tradition and/or providing a polar opposite to macro beer...with a lot of talk about "innovation" and "ground/rule breaking"). So, what is it we are witnessing in Germany? Is a renaissance enough to revive the industry? Is a rebellion needed to shake things up enough so that change can happen? I know this has been discussed in separate threads before, but maybe we can bring a bit more "Ordnung" to it here Any and all thoughts welcome. Prost!