Senate Bills to be heard Mar. 5th in Texas Legis.

Discussion in 'US - Southwest' started by BgThang, Mar 1, 2013.

  1. jgreeson

    jgreeson Aficionado (135) Texas Feb 24, 2010

    Only 2 more hours left to do this. It takes less time to call then it does to read these instructions.

    As much as I love these new breweries like Founders and Firestone Walker coming to Texas, I wish that one day Texas will have out own brewery that generates as much excitement as these guys when they enter a new state.
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  2. BgThang

    BgThang Savant (455) Texas Dec 23, 2007

    from open the taps FB.
    Legislative update: Well after a very long day of all parties, including Open The Taps, negotiating it looks like a compromise has been worked to pass positive comprehensive craft beer legislation. However the language hasn't been finalized which means there won't be a vote until for another 24 to 48 hours.
    Open The Taps wants to thank all those that responded to our call to arms, as we think the phone calls into Senator Carona's office worked and are still working. We ask everyone to stand by until the final official wording comes out, but then be ready to respond as necessary.
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  3. BgThang

    BgThang Savant (455) Texas Dec 23, 2007

    from twitter
    Scott Metzger@beermonkey
    Happy to say we have an agreement in principle. Long hours and hard work by all involved. I thank them for their engagement on this

    Don't keep us in suspense. !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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  4. BgThang

    BgThang Savant (455) Texas Dec 23, 2007

    I hope they didn't lump them together.
    on the other hand I hope open the taps got what they wanted and allow visitors to take brew home
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  5. Lutter

    Lutter Advocate (650) Texas Jun 30, 2010
  6. mattisloco

    mattisloco Savant (475) Texas Feb 13, 2007

    For those who "don't twitter"

  7. pwsoldier

    pwsoldier Advocate (585) Texas Apr 26, 2007

  8. Texas_Speed

    Texas_Speed Savant (325) Texas Aug 22, 2012

    This is great news. Brewpubs can finally distribute, and breweries get a tap room. I know they had to make compromises but at least we are starting to head in the right direction.

    Please start sending Freetail to Houston as soon as the new laws take effect.
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  9. I have to say, I thought we had years of desert wandering yet to be fulfilled. This is awesome news, and I'm going to drink a beer as soon as I finish a long day of work.
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  10. Ford

    Ford Advocate (510) Texas Sep 8, 2012

    So are all of the bills still separate... is 639 now directly tied to the others.. I know it has probably been changed a bit...
  11. mattisloco

    mattisloco Savant (475) Texas Feb 13, 2007

    What about self distribution? Set pricing?
  12. Yeah that's what I want to know about
  13. johnsaulrubio

    johnsaulrubio Savant (280) Texas Dec 2, 2006

    I'd love it if breweries would be allowed to sell packaged beer to go.
  14. bentwookie

    bentwookie Initiate (0) Texas Jan 13, 2008

    I would imagine that with the improvements to the brewpub licenses it may be advantageous for new brewers to open up initially as a brewpub and be able to sell bottles and fill growlers as well as distribute. As they gain popularity and the business grows then they would need to convert to a brewery license.
  15. mattisloco

    mattisloco Savant (475) Texas Feb 13, 2007

    If only the ass clowns that write these bills had common sense. Run for office, we the beer nerds will elect you!
  16. kevinscott

    kevinscott Savant (345) Texas Oct 21, 2008

    Someone, I believe it was Wolfman, asked Scott this on twitter and his response was that it's easy to switch licenses. The key for existing breweries is being under the proposed annual barrel limit. I think the new bills increase that to 12,500 barrels/year.
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  17. wsnich

    wsnich Savant (410) Texas Apr 26, 2010

    Which TX breweries produces under 12,500 barrels/year?
  18. Texas_Speed

    Texas_Speed Savant (325) Texas Aug 22, 2012

    I know Saint Arnold produces around 55,00 barrels/years. Maybe 8th Wonder, or one of the other small ones that are just starting up.
  19. jamescain

    jamescain Advocate (660) Texas Jul 14, 2009

    Most of them. 12,500 barrels/ year is actually a lot of beer.
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  20. Lutter

    Lutter Advocate (650) Texas Jun 30, 2010

    Shiner and Saint Arnold are probably the only ones over that. Oh and BMC :)
  21. wolffman17

    wolffman17 Savant (405) Texas Jul 14, 2005

    Yeah, I mentioned this idea in another thread a month ago, and like kevinscott mentioned above, confirmed with Scott that switching the license is easy. I believe only Saint Arnold, Real Ale, Karbach (soon), Deep Ellum (soon), and maybe Rahr are above 12,500. I thought I saw recently that the limit would actually be 10K, though. Who knows, the limit might be even lower than that when it's all said and done.

    Regardless, it seems like a no-brainer to me if you're opening a new brewery in TX or you're an existing one below the limit: operate as a brewpub.
  22. DanzBorin

    DanzBorin Initiate (0) Texas Apr 11, 2012

    So breweries can't sell packaged beer? Guess we still won't be able to have brewery only releases.
  23. Lutter

    Lutter Advocate (650) Texas Jun 30, 2010

    That was never a part of the bill... just gives the rights to breweries to have a tap room (and I guess growler fills, right?)
  24. DanzBorin

    DanzBorin Initiate (0) Texas Apr 11, 2012

    Tap room is nice. The real deal will be when they can sell packaged beer at the brewery.

    Baby steps are still welcome. :)
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  25. pwsoldier

    pwsoldier Advocate (585) Texas Apr 26, 2007

    I believe tap rooms would be for on-premise consumption only. As I understand it, beer-to-go of any kind at a production brewery was not part of this package of bills.
  26. No Growler fills.
  27. Yeah this bill benefits brewpubs mostly. A lot of production breweries aren't zoned in areas that allow on site consumption, so they will still have to get re-zoned for them to benefit, which is a difficult process. I assume mostly every brewery that is in planning will opt for the brewpub route. Makes too much sense not too. Don't think the distributors want to give production breweries the right to sell beer to go on premise. Takes away from the pot.
  28. DanzBorin

    DanzBorin Initiate (0) Texas Apr 11, 2012

    They need it taken away from. Go get them attitude and drive are good, greed is bad. These distributors need to get their heads out of their ass and realize this is a free market and they shouldn't be allowed to bully and throw around money to get their way.

    Bunch of punk ass bullies is what they are.
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  29. Texas_Speed

    Texas_Speed Savant (325) Texas Aug 22, 2012

    Unfortunately, as long as there are crooked politicians companies will continue to use money as a tool to get their way.
  30. BgThang

    BgThang Savant (455) Texas Dec 23, 2007

  31. jgreeson

    jgreeson Aficionado (135) Texas Feb 24, 2010

  32. jgreeson

    jgreeson Aficionado (135) Texas Feb 24, 2010

    515, 516, 517 Committee Substitutes PASSES!
    518 Committee Substitute PASSES!

    515, limit self distribution to brewpubs that only sells their own alcoholic beverage products. 1,000 BBL per location, 2,500BBL cap. (Sounds like no other beers allowed to be sold on site)

    516, 517 Sound like that there is a new Self-Distributor license ($250) for both resident and non-resident < 125,000 BBL brewers.
  33. Hopward

    Hopward Aficionado (130) Texas Jan 18, 2007

    I can hear it now;

    Distributors: "Okay, Mr. Carona, we'll let the brewers sell beer in a taproom. But NO packaged products sold for off premises consumption. Got that?"

    Carona: "Yes, sirs".

    Distributors: "And I guess we'll let brewpubs sell to retail outlets as long as they go through us. Understood"?

    Carona: "Yes, sirs".

    Distributors: "Terrific, here's your check..."
  34. jgreeson

    jgreeson Aficionado (135) Texas Feb 24, 2010

    639 Committee Substitute Passes

    639, substitute prohibits reach-back pricing, prohibits territorial rights to be sold, but continues to allow contracts for allowances, rebates, refunds, services capacity, advertising, promotional, support marketing funds. (Sounds like severability language was removed)

    639 is also tied to 515-518. Therefore, it's all or nothing on these bills in both the Senate and the House.

    BTW, 518's previous committee substitute was for the on-premise beverages to be only the beers produced at the location and added hours of operation.
  35. BgThang

    BgThang Savant (455) Texas Dec 23, 2007

    the bills voting starts at 3:39:00 on the real media video
  36. SeaSparrow

    SeaSparrow Aficionado (160) Texas Sep 4, 2010

    Moving in a positive direction for craft beer in TX!
  37. DanzBorin

    DanzBorin Initiate (0) Texas Apr 11, 2012

    So no guest taps... :(

    That sucks...

    I love how they really gave up next to nothing to try to avoid a lawsuit. I think they should get sued anyways. I feel like I'm in a backwards corrupt state like LA. And the sad thing is LA doesn't have crooked beer laws like we do.


    Like I said, glad we got something, but if we only get minor things each year, my son will be pissed about the same problems in 13 years... :(
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  38. bccocx

    bccocx Champion (785) Texas Jan 13, 2007

    From DEBC (Facebook):

    Such a huge step backward for microbreweries. Congrats to the regionals, brewpubs, and most especially the distributors for getting all you wanted. It only cost you.... OUR distribution value!! SB 639 is a terrible piece of legislation. To see it now being triumphed as a win for the craft community is an absolute travesty.

  39. omnigrits

    omnigrits Savant (345) Texas Jun 1, 2006

    "Keith Strama, of the Wholesale Beer Distributors of Texas, called the revised package of proposals an “acceptable modification” to the three-tier system that regulates how beer moves from manufacturer to retailers almost exclusively through wholesalers.

    “We are cool with the agreement,” he said."

    No matter how many times I read that I can't help hearing it being said through tightly gritted teeth.
  40. Lutter

    Lutter Advocate (650) Texas Jun 30, 2010

    Did they participate in the process? No? Then STFU. If they were so opposed to SB639, they should've been down at the capital arguing for what they wanted instead of crying after the fact.