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Side-by-side fresh Pliny vs. Zombie Dust

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by gueuzedreg, Apr 8, 2013.

  1. gueuzedreg

    gueuzedreg Advocate (540) Colorado Jan 18, 2013

    Currently doing, and twice overall; and I raise the hand of ZD both times. Though it went 12 rounds. I know I don't have the 100% correct answer, what do you think?

    (getting Heady in a few days; I can't wait to do all three)
     
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  2. Nectar

    Nectar Savant (310) New Jersey Jan 17, 2013

    Seems you like Zombie Dust more than Pliny. Some people like Pliny more than Zombie Dust.

    Both excellent brews that come down to the individuals palate. I had ZD and loved it. No pliny yet though :(
     
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  3. What do I think...Hmmm, I don't think they're really all that much alike.

    I've done that side by side, rather it was a zombie dust, then opened a PtE right after. I did this with my brother and my father in law. Taste is subjective, but for my preference, and the others, PtE was by far the better beer.

    Cheers! Enjoy those Headys. Here's subjective for ya....I'd take both Zombie Dust and Pliny over Heady! Ohhhhh SNAP!
     
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  4. Shagator

    Shagator Savant (410) Kentucky Mar 17, 2012

    Have not had either at the same time, but I have head dreadnaught and PtE in the same night. The Pliny was new but it did fly across country, so I dont want to say I have had fresh Pliny, but Dreadnaught blew it out of the water. PtE did not impress me as much as I had hoped. hoping to to have it again soon. With that being said, I would rank Dreadnaught, Rye Da Tiger, Zombie Dust, Stones Enjoy by, TIPA, Ruination 10th anniversary, and a few more ahead of PtE. Dont get me wrong, it is a great beer, but for the hype I was expecting so much more.
     
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  5. --Dom--

    --Dom-- Savant (390) Missouri Dec 22, 2012

    different styles.......
     
  6. hopsbreath

    hopsbreath Savant (475) Oregon Aug 28, 2009

    I think Flex was better than Ronnie, but both were better than Cormier.
     
  7. nc41

    nc41 Advocate (745) North Carolina Sep 25, 2008

    Completely different animals, both great. Fresh ZD is amazing though.
     
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  8. APB

    APB Savant (435) Nebraska Dec 15, 2012

    I would have to agree that they are completely different, I had fresh Pliny and ZD this past week and I have to say if I could only have one I would take the ZD but they are almost incomparable. Pliny seems to have less of a bite to it then zd and I know some of you will dog me for saying this but I put both the Pliny and ZD over Heady, I really enjoyed the HT I just favored the Pliny and ZD over it. I think there is a lot of hype surrounding the HT because it's not available to everyone so most people (including myself) have to trade for it and are only able to get small amounts to sample. Just my 2 cents :)
     
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  9. BlakeAM

    BlakeAM Savant (280) Illinois Nov 6, 2011

    the more I see these types of comparisons the more I become convinced that it depends on how fresh each beer is. I've yet to see someone from California rank one of that states' signature beers behind a midwest or east coast brew, and the same holds true for those regions. Two of the exceptions seem to be Enjoy By and Sucks, but both of those beers have distribution power that allows for relative freshness across the country.

    Of the three beers being mentioned here I've only had Zombie Dust, but I've had it incredibly fresh and it's pretty amazing. Same goes for Hopslam, anything after 3-4 weeks is basically a different beer.
     
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  10. beercanman

    beercanman Savant (485) Ohio Dec 17, 2012

    I'd give the nod to ZD. Completely different styles though
     
  11. willbm3

    willbm3 Savant (380) Massachusetts Feb 19, 2010

    Pliny doesn't even remotely taste like Zombie Dust and neither tastes remotely like Heady. For me it's Heady > Zombie Dust > Pliny as a distant third
     
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  12. The tastes are different so it goes by personal flavor not true comparison....

    sooo..... Zombie Dust..Pliny < SUCKS! I said it!
     
  13. Pliny > ZD..........but i dont think ive had ZD at its optimal freshness. Got some coming soon so i will see!
     
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  14. beerhan

    beerhan Savant (400) Ohio Apr 28, 2010

    What you should be doing is Zombie Dust vs. Oddside Ales Citra Pale Ale. Oddsides is the clear victor in my opinion and worth seeking out for any Zombie Dust fan.
     
  15. draheim

    draheim Poobah (1,050) Washington Sep 18, 2010

    I have no idea what you're talking about but I get your point anyway.
     
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  16. badbeer

    badbeer Savant (470) Iowa Jun 19, 2005

    Not a lot of bodybuilding references on here.
     
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  17. People keep saying these are different styles but I can justify the comparison (in my mind at least. Everyone else is entitled to their dissenting opinion):

    Zombie Dust is a pale ale that I think is hoppy enough to be an IPA. By far my favorite APA and better than many IPAs I've had.
    Pliny The Elder is an imperial/DIPA that I found too "small" and consider it more like an IPA. If I put PtE against most IPAs, it's awesome but for my tastes it can't hold a candle to my favorites like Dreadnaught, Heady Topper, Double Jack or many others.

    The mere fact that ZD (an APA) is getting so many votes over PtE ( a DIPA) seems to indicate Pliny isn't "all that".

    That said, if any CA folk want to trade a fresh PtE to prove me wrong I'm happy to try it again. I'd love to find a DIPA that is even better than my current favs...
     
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  18. dbrauneis

    dbrauneis Site Editor (960) North Carolina Dec 8, 2007 Staff Member

    I did the Pliny the Elder vs. Heady Topper on Easter and it was phenomenal - both beers are world class and delicious but I would have to tip my hand to Heady (both beers were bottled/canned 3 weeks prior to the tasting so still pretty darn fresh).
     
  19. Different styles and hop profiles.

    Pliny has the classic Amarillo/Simcoe thing going on. Zombie Dust is a big Citra bomb. Both are outstanding, but at 6.4% and 8%, they're not the easiest to compare.
     
  20. theCoder

    theCoder Savant (340) Minnesota Oct 24, 2011

    I got to try both of these for the first time at Darkness Day and absolutely loved both. But picking one over the other... really its to one's own preference as they are fairly different all around, I liked Pliny a bit more but that could be due to me now finding out I can get it a bit easier with friend's in Berkeley.
     
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  21. i've had all three beers fresh as can be. that being said it doesnt make sense to compare these beers. one is a apa the others dipas. heady topper should be in a class by itself. it doesnt drink like any other beer that ive tried. but ill play. for me its a tie between heady and zombie dust. enjoy heady topper
     
  22. I don't think it's worth figuring out. ;)
     
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  23. BrettHead

    BrettHead Advocate (535) Nebraska Sep 18, 2010

    Side-by-side: apples vs. oranges
     
  24. Something interesting would be to add in Heady like you plan on doing. I am doing the Heady vs Pliny on Thursday when it comes in, thanks to mtk180. One thing I've noticed about Heady Topper is that when I got it 5 days from the cannery, it was much more aromatic and tasty compared to 11 days old. I know people probably think thats too short of a time for any of the hops to fall off, but im telling you the aroma was much more subtle and the flavors were slightly muted, but still a fantastic beer. I think these unfiltered, unpasteurized beers really do change quickly. If you can get 7 day old heady next to 7 day old pliny and 7 day old ZD, it'd be a more fair compare, even if ZD isn't imperial lol
     
  25. FUNKPhD

    FUNKPhD Advocate (505) Texas Apr 13, 2010

    Every time I see that picture of Markie Mark, I laugh.
     
  26. willbm3

    willbm3 Savant (380) Massachusetts Feb 19, 2010

    Why thank you.
     
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  27. Rinkor16

    Rinkor16 Savant (255) California Dec 12, 2011

    That's like comparing a Grapefruit to an Orange. They're within the same family, but completely different.

    Pliny > Zombie Dust
     
  28. ^ This! Stop comparing different styles! Guinness vs BCBS I don't know I have to give the edge to BCBS ;)
     
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  29. willbm3

    willbm3 Savant (380) Massachusetts Feb 19, 2010

    I dunno man, they both pour black. Guinness in a landslide.
     
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  30. [The mere fact that ZD (an APA) is getting so many votes over PtE ( a DIPA) seems to indicate Pliny isn't "all that".[/quote]

    Based on a few random responses & we're not even onto page 2, here's a guy who knows his stuff! ;-P
     
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  31. SenorHops

    SenorHops Savant (385) Rhode Island Aug 10, 2010

    Flex never realized his full potential.
     
  32. gueuzedreg

    gueuzedreg Advocate (540) Colorado Jan 18, 2013

    Based on a few random responses & we're not even onto page 2, here's a guy who knows his stuff! ;-P[/quote]
    That's where I was going with this. If you have fresh both, I am surprised that I liked ZD over Pliny; given PtE's rep. (not saying ZD doesn't have one). Nothing about comparing apples to apples
     
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  34. i'm glad somebody finally compared these two.:rolleyes:
     
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  35. Apples and oranges! If ranking to BJCP guidelines. But if by personal taste, that's your personal taste.
     
  36. JayAre46

    JayAre46 Savant (250) Texas Sep 27, 2010

    I cannot believe you are comparing two astronomically different drinks! How dare you. Jesus Christ this is so apples and oranges! This site is only for palates and opinions of gods don't you know?

    to answer your question, my personal palate and mind prefer z dust ;) - advocate of conversation and question
     
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  37. stealth

    stealth Advocate (580) Minnesota Dec 16, 2011

    I love these insightful threads! Wish more of these were posted.
     
  38. do them vs union jack blind
     
  39. gueuzedreg

    gueuzedreg Advocate (540) Colorado Jan 18, 2013

    it is for palates of people who got made fun of in grade school. i agree, i would rather have zd too
     
  40. MastaShonuf

    MastaShonuf Savant (405) California Jan 21, 2013

    Literally just had these three. They are truly different monsters. Seeing they are all different styles, here is how I have enjoyed them:
    1. Heady - I truly love this stuff and have traded to get more and more
    2. Pliny - Once again, I get this easily so I have had it much more
    3. Zombie Dust - It was just different in taste. Maybe after a few more, I may change my mind.

    I have Hopslam, Hopzilla, Jai Alai, and a few Hill Farmsteads coming to compare...so let's see what happens
     

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