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Sour Saisons

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by Zach136, Jan 2, 2013.

  1. Zach136

    Zach136 Advocate (620) Georgia Jun 17, 2012

    I had a glass of Allagash Interlude on NYE and thought the Farmhouse and Brett yeast strains were an AWESOME combo. What are some other Sour Saisons you guys would recommend?
  2. stakem

    stakem Poobah (1,025) Pennsylvania Feb 20, 2009 Beer Trader

    Southampton Peconic but it might be even harder to acquire than the one Brett just pictured. (Unless it gets made again.)
  3. heffnate77

    heffnate77 Savant (260) New York Nov 18, 2011

    HF Arthur
  4. misterid

    misterid Savant (270) Wisconsin Apr 3, 2009

    as a Fantome fanboy i have to know what this is
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  5. pschul4

    pschul4 Advocate (680) Illinois Jan 7, 2011 Beer Trader

    Both this and Anna I found to be awesome and sour
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  6. coreyfmcdonald

    coreyfmcdonald Advocate (625) Georgia Nov 13, 2008 Beer Trader

    Not sure if you are specifically only looking for sour saisons (as opposed to saisons using brett and/or wild yeast), but here is a list of relatively easy to get brett/wild yeast saisons that are pretty good:
    Victory Helios (for $3-4 a bomber, this is great)
    Anything Jolly Pumpkin
    Fantome Saison
    Goose Island Sofie (though I didn't particularly like the most recent vintage, maybe it needs time)
    Boulevard Saison Brett (which we should get in GA upon its release this year)
    Grassroots Wachu Saison

    That should be a good start for you.
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  7. xenjoiii

    xenjoiii Savant (405) New York Jul 24, 2010 Beer Trader

    Batch 4 Arthur is not nearly as tart as batch 3.
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  8. GeoffreyM

    GeoffreyM Advocate (560) Pennsylvania Feb 23, 2012 Beer Trader

    I know Tired Hands in PA has made a few of them. Ooey Gooey being one of them. I wish they would bring that one back.
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  9. Fantome Extra Sour.

    My friend StarRaptor shopped this pic for me when I was ISO.
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  10. FosterJM

    FosterJM Champion (890) California Nov 16, 2009 Beer Trader

    I just reviewed Iron Hills, Oak Aged Saison De Sorachi. I would call this a "sour" saison. Lots of wild yeast in there to make it fun.

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  11. tjkinate

    tjkinate Savant (275) Nebraska Jan 13, 2011

    Jester King Das Wundekind and Das Uberkind are both great Sour Saisons!
  12. ao125

    ao125 Savant (335) Virginia Dec 1, 2010

    Heinz Malt Vinegar.
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  13. Not sure on the exact batch numbers, but I agree that the current batch of Arthur is really dialed back on the sourness. The last couple batches before that were quite tart though, particularly the "blue label" Arthur.
  14. DSlim71

    DSlim71 Savant (495) New Jersey Mar 3, 2010

    I just had HF Vera Mae and really loved the tartness in that one.
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  15. tigernipples

    tigernipples Savant (300) New Jersey Nov 21, 2009 Beer Trader

    Bruery saison rue
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  16. cfrances33

    cfrances33 Champion (795) Illinois Jun 12, 2012 Beer Trader

    I'm going to have to completely, and respectfully, disagree with this.
  17. tigernipples

    tigernipples Savant (300) New Jersey Nov 21, 2009 Beer Trader

    Why is that?
  18. Ive had a super funky CCB Guava Grove that was phenomenal.

    Every time I walk into the Parrothead in Shelby, OH they just pour me a Sofie because that shit is amazing.
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  19. cfrances33

    cfrances33 Champion (795) Illinois Jun 12, 2012 Beer Trader

    Just because I really got zero tartness out of it. There is a nice earthiness thanks to the Brett, but that's about it for me. Just giving the OP a contrary opinion.
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  20. rolltide8425

    rolltide8425 Advocate (720) Pennsylvania Feb 18, 2011 Beer Trader

    I have to go with cfrances on this one....personally didn't find Saison Rue sour at all.
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  21. dckepley

    dckepley Savant (400) Iowa Aug 13, 2006 Beer Trader

    +1 Boulevard Saison-Brett...although sour isn't my first thought on this one.
  22. leedorham

    leedorham Champion (855) Washington Apr 27, 2006

    Dry & funky is not sour.
  23. Below is the description in the Notes section for the BA review of Allagash Interlude:

    “Two yeast strains were used to create this unique 9.5% ABV Belgian style ale. The first, a Belgian farmhouse yeast, establishes the flavor foundations of a classic Belgian-style ale. The second, a house strain of Brettanomyces yeast, brings it to the next level contributing an intriguing myriad of flavors including pear, apricot, graham cracker, and bread crust. Finally, a portion of the Interlude is aged in French Merlot and Sirah oak barrels, which impart a distinctive vinous plum character and a drying, almost tannic finish.”

    I personally have not had Interlude but I find the above description interesting. Firstly, the word “sour” is not used at all. Maybe the “tannic finish” can be perceived as “sour”?

    I was also fascinated by the flavors attributed to the Allagash house Brett strain: “an intriguing myriad of flavors including pear, apricot, graham cracker, and bread crust.” I have homebrewed using Brett (along with a ‘regular’ Belgian ale yeast strain). My homebrewed beers are extremely funky (in a barnyard sense). It appears that the Allagash Brett strain is not a funky strain.

    I will have to try Allagash Interlude someday; that beer ‘reads’ as an intriguing beer!

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  24. Envelopes

    Envelopes Savant (420) Ohio Aug 26, 2012

    So many wants in this thread!
    Also convinced me to try Sofie again.
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  25. BrewBoone

    BrewBoone Aficionado (165) Alaska Jun 29, 2008

    Anchorage brewing Tides and its takers and Love Buzz.
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  26. jbuddle

    jbuddle Savant (460) New York Feb 24, 2010

    The Anchorage Love Buzz saison is fanastic. Even some of his non-saisons are very saison'y (bottled with brett and aged in wine barrels).

    Also if you have a Quebecois trader, Le Trou du Diable makes some very interesting saisons.
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  27. thebigredone

    thebigredone Advocate (665) Wisconsin Dec 19, 2011 Beer Trader

    Grassroots Sankt Hans deserves a better score than it currently has, and is an excellent tart Saison.
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  28. zach60614

    zach60614 Savant (410) Illinois May 1, 2012 Beer Trader

    CCB Guava Grove is fantastic.
  29. cubbyswans

    cubbyswans Savant (425) Missouri Jun 10, 2008 Beer Trader

    Agreed. Solid brew, but I wouldn't call it sour.
  30. Bay01

    Bay01 Savant (455) Illinois Nov 19, 2008

    Do it, you'll wonder why you don't drink it more often. Also, 1 year old Sofie > current vintage Sofie
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  31. MarcatGSB

    MarcatGSB Advocate (670) Michigan Jan 8, 2011

    I've made that statement for the last three years. Sofie with a year on it is a beautiful thing, same thing Matilda does after a year or so, just gets better.
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  32. if that is tart then some of their 'saisons' are full blown sours.
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  33. I opened a HF Anna on Sunday (in bottle probably 6 months) that had a slight tartness. Nowhere near Flora, or even Vera Mae (this year's), but it was damn nice.
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  34. fehrminator

    fehrminator Advocate (570) North Carolina Jan 26, 2008 Beer Trader

    Logsdon Soezon Bretta (sp?) was nice. It made me want to try more of their beers.
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  35. I opened an Anna NYE and thought the same.
    Actually, every HF saison has gotten significantly better (to me) with 3-6 months on it.They seem to take on a bit more tartness and the rest of the flavors really come together.
    Not a huge fan of anything other than Arthur fresh.

    Curious how the latest batch of Arthur is in a few months since it is significantly less tart from the get go.
  36. cfrances33

    cfrances33 Champion (795) Illinois Jun 12, 2012 Beer Trader

    Hoping the same Jeff! Haven't had Anna in a while and I'll have to soon. Wish I had more Vera, probably their best standard lineup beer if you ask me!
  37. cfrances33

    cfrances33 Champion (795) Illinois Jun 12, 2012 Beer Trader

    Bitter Monk is another fantastic one that could pass for a saison with some age.
    Dulcis Succubus really surprised me the first time I had it. Tart and delicious.
  38. xenjoiii

    xenjoiii Savant (405) New York Jul 24, 2010 Beer Trader

    Batch 4 coincided with the release of BoT. Batch 3 was on the shelf from late summer up until mid-novemberish. I know that batch 4 spent some time in 500L French Oak Puncheons. I heard (not sure on this) that it was also dry hopped.
  39. Etan

    Etan Champion (765) Wisconsin Jul 11, 2011

    Two that stand out in my mind are Logsdon's Peche 'n Brett and McKenzie's Saison Vautour Du Bois (which I think was shared by Immobilisme when I tried it).
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