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The Averagely Perfect American IPA Project - Poll #23- 10 minute hop variety(s)

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by VikeMan, Feb 21, 2013.

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Choose the Hop Variety(s) for the 10 Minute Addition

Poll closed Feb 23, 2013.
  1. Simcoe

    4.4%
  2. Centennial

    7.8%
  3. Cascade

    8.9%
  4. Simcoe and Centennial

    16.7%
  5. Simcoe and Cascade

    12.2%
  6. Centennial and Cascade

    14.4%
  7. Simcoe, Centennial, and Cascade

    35.6%
  1. VikeMan

    VikeMan Advocate (740) Pennsylvania Jul 12, 2009

    Now we'll determine which of the flavor/aroma hops will be used in the 10 minute addition. The potential combinations are unique. Straight plurality wins.

    For those looking ahead, the next poll will determine quantity(s) of hops for this addition, before moving on to the next addition.

    This poll will be open for 48 hours.

    If you don't know what this thread is about, please see this thread...
    http://beeradvocate.com/community/threads/the-averagely-perfect-american-ipa-project.59552/

    If you have issues with or suggestions for methodologies used in this project, please Beer Mail me.
    Let's keep the threads themselves on topic to the question at hand (not about how you would have asked the question differently). I will not address methodology questions in the forum any more. I'm not going to risk having a thread deleted due to a flame war. If this irks you, please consider not playing.

    The Averagely Perfect American IPA Recipe so far...
    5 Gallons
    Target ABV: 6.5%
    Target OG: 1.062
    Target FG: 1.012
    Apparent Attenuation: 81%
    Recommended Mash Temp: 151F
    64 IBUs (per Tinseth Calc)

    Grain Bill:
    Two-Row Brewer's Malt (92%)
    Crystal 40 (5%)
    Carapils (3%)

    Bittering Hop:
    Magnum

    Flavor/Aroma Hops:
    Simcoe
    Centennial
    Cascade

    Flavor/Aroma Hop Schedule:
    15 minutes - Simcoe 0.5 oz, Centennial 0.5 oz, Cascade 0.5 oz
    10 minutes
    5 minutes
    FO/Whirlpool/Stand
    Dry Hop

    Yeast:
    Wyeast 1056/WLP001/US-05
     
  2. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Champion (790) Texas May 21, 2010

    Well I did order some simcoe and centennial, so I guess I'll be able to keep up with all these hops additions, varieties, polls... I might need to get a shovel tho for all these hops. Since I'm also about to embark on my first IIPA expedition, I suppose it will come in handy. :rolleyes:

    Yes, I also got a pound of citra. I think I'll just hoard those (like barfdiggs's freezer) :eek:
     
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  3. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Advocate (595) Colorado Jan 20, 2012

    Citra is a bitch to find online, but my lhbs seems to have it on hand all the time. Only in 1oz packages though. I hope yakima still has some on payday.
     
  4. Thank you.
     
  5. wspscott

    wspscott Savant (490) Kentucky May 25, 2006

    All 3 again, 1/2 ounce each
     
  6. pweis909

    pweis909 Advocate (705) Wisconsin Aug 13, 2005

    Whenever I try to make a hoppy beer, I have a dilemma about layering flavors. I don't know hops well enough to know how flavors go together and whether it matters which hops are added at different times.

    Anyone have a philosophy on why you voted the way you did? Is there any thought to flavor layering going on or is it more of a "WTF, let's add all three" kind of deal?
     
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  7. I'm afraid the cascade might get lost with this group of hops but i think im in the "WTF, let's add all three" category.
     
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  8. mountsnow1010

    mountsnow1010 Savant (360) Vermont Jan 23, 2009

    I went for cascade only to limit IBUs. Would go for no 10 minute addition if I could (of course that is the fun in this experiment)

    What does a 10 minute addition bring that a 15 and 5 do not?
     
  9. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Champion (790) Texas May 21, 2010

    I'm going to predict in advance that all three will win. The amounts could get a little crrrrrrrrrrrrraaaazzzyyy tho. That's part of teh funz of this kind of thing tho! :cool:
     
  10. PortLargo

    PortLargo Savant (375) Florida Oct 19, 2012

    I have the same concerns. The trend is the next poll will show 0.5 ounces for all three hops at 10 min, that will bring the IBU up to 45. Once everyone votes for another round of 0.5 ounces of all three hops at 5 min, the IBU will total 55. In theory this may still work, that would call for 0.2 of Magnum for 60 minutes to reach the 65 IBU target.

    Layering layers is the goal, but in practice I think a good "second look" at the three flavoring hops would make sense. From my limited experience, Centennial is a stepped-up Cascade (i.e. similar flavors with higher alpha). While both are excellent for an IPA, I don't see an advantage in combining these two. I've already ordered my hops and went with Centennial only as I'm comfortable taking the wrath of being the first brewer to "break the recipe".

    But I trust Vikeman to figure all this out. For me it is a good learning experience that I am already applying to some other recipes. Apologies in advance if my IBU calculator slipped a digit.
     
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  11. mattbk

    mattbk Savant (390) New York Dec 12, 2011

    The later you add the hops, the more flavor out of them you'll get; the earlier, the more bittering you'll get. In my mind, you want to add the hops at the end that will make the beer taste like the hops you like. My preference, in this order of hop flavor: Simcoe (tropical, pine, I often get pineapple, definite serious dank potential), Centennial (grapefruit, lemon, a bit dank), Cascade (straight grapefruit). Therefore, I would prefer to use Cascade at 15, for some flavor and bittering addition, Cent at 10 for more flavor, then heavy on Simcoe at 5 and whirlpool for max flavor and min bittering contribution. You'll still get some layering of flavors, but those flavors will be more targeted to what you want. That's just me though. ;)
     
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  12. Treb0R

    Treb0R Savant (290) Oregon Dec 12, 2012

    Of course they will... This is 'Merica, baby.
     
  13. pweis909

    pweis909 Advocate (705) Wisconsin Aug 13, 2005

    I won't be surprised if we end up voting for every hop at every addition. I suspect this is inexperience and WTF mentality taking over, but I don't feel confident enough with my own experiences to recommend differently. I'll try to brew whatever recipe gets voted on to see if I can learn something from it, and then later, from brewing some variations on the theme (e.g., lose the cascade, perhaps eliminate the 10 min addition).
     
  14. wspscott

    wspscott Savant (490) Kentucky May 25, 2006

    I am going to go with all 3 for every addition because I have a hard time imagining a difference where simcoe/centennial (substitute other combos) at 15 and 10 and just cascade at 5 would be a massively different beer vs. all 3 at each addition. That is not to say there would not be differences but when you are dealing with 4 separate addition within 15 minutes you can either over complicate it or simplify, I choose to simplify.

    I think the other issue raised in this thread is the similarity between cascade and centennial. I think the 2 are somewhat redundant and would much rather had centennial and columbus.

    I think a beer with .25 magnum at 60 and everything else in the last 15 minutes could make a very tasty beer. I don't think a massively hopbursted beer is a problem here.
     
  15. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Champion (790) Texas May 21, 2010

    Yes it's likely that this will be a hop-bursted three-way special with a quarter oz of magnum at 60. Fine by me, it should come out quite tasty that way.
     
  16. VikeMan

    VikeMan Advocate (740) Pennsylvania Jul 12, 2009

    All three again.
     

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