Three Floyds: "Regarding Second Market Dark Lord Sales"

Discussion in 'Great Lakes' started by averagejake872, May 1, 2012.

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  1. MarkIntihar

    MarkIntihar Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2010 Michigan

    In the scenario you were describing, the person in question had already paid $150 for the beer (assuming eBay is around $300), so I fixed that for you :wink:
     
  2. jegross2

    jegross2 Initiate (0) Jan 3, 2010 Illinois

    I will say one annoying thing. I wish they would rotate taps faster inside the bar. We stayed in for maybe an hour tops because we at lunch in the pub -- We did not want to be those greedy guys who stick in the bar all day, but instead allow others a shot at the tap room. Brandy DL ran thru in about 10 mins, and then BA Black Sun was there for the remainder. BA Moloko was supposed to get tapped next per waitress, but it never saw tapping while in the pub and our waitress said it would be quite some time until they tapped it. I really wanted to try BA Moloko (did anyone get a chance at DLD?) but I wasn't going to be the greedy guy who sits at the pub nursing a beer waiting for the next round of taps. Did anyone else feel that more rotation of the BAL taps would have been effective?
     
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  3. rt1976

    rt1976 Initiate (0) Apr 29, 2009 Indiana

    since this so called super fan cannot buy BA DL any other time how would you know he even existed...since last year was his first chance to buy it...this year is his first opportunity to cash in his retirement and stock up...i do agree he is the exception, which should be obvious...

    and do not discount the fact there are probably obscenely rich folks who once collected rare wines, are now doing the same with limited BA beers

    40 dollar DL's would only make the problem WORSE
     
  4. jegross2

    jegross2 Initiate (0) Jan 3, 2010 Illinois

    Not to be sexist, but "Dude, your avatar girl has a huuuuuuge ass."
     
  5. jegross2

    jegross2 Initiate (0) Jan 3, 2010 Illinois

    What you would do with it is irrelevant to the notion of it's yours and you have the freedom to do with it what you want (again, the legal issues aside)
     
  6. cpinto6

    cpinto6 Initiate (0) Feb 25, 2010 Georgia

    Well yea, even in that scenario I was describing...100% profit in your investment in only a few hours and you think those are bad margins? Most investments give you an annual return of like 15% and that's a really good investment. We're talking about one day here and your time doesn't count because you would've been there regardless. Craft beer is a luxury good and for some idiotic reason it is priced at cost plus instead of market prices but hey, that allows me to buy more of it. Still though, its the only luxury good I can think of that you can pay for it, get it home safely and make somewhere between 50 and 500% profit without waiting at all. The most effective way is actually not sitting on beers but selling them right after you get them and you don't have any money tied up and you're making crazy profits out of a hobby.
     
  7. jegross2

    jegross2 Initiate (0) Jan 3, 2010 Illinois

    This. Look at what people are having to give up in order to acquire BA Vanilla DL on the ISO forum. And even that's not getting it done. If I had the money, I'd have absolutely been out there offer $100-150 per bottle just because i love the damn beer so much. I'm not gonna go home and put it on ebay. It's gonna go on my shelf and subsequently my belly. Yes, that might make me a greedy hoarder, but I'd be sharing that beer with my local friends.

    Bottom line: you don't know why this guy is buying them at $150 a bottle.
     
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  8. Steimie

    Steimie Maven (1,404) Jan 7, 2012 Michigan

    And then of course you'll use that 500% profit to buy other beers to trade for other beers that you can't get any other possible way, right?
     
  9. MarkIntihar

    MarkIntihar Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2010 Michigan

    For a hobby, sure, really anything is a good profit.

    I just think the eBay witch hunt has gotten a bit ridiculous. If people really want to stop it, report bottles when you see them. Complaining about it on a forum isn't really accomplishing anything.
     
  10. cpinto6

    cpinto6 Initiate (0) Feb 25, 2010 Georgia

    Can you name any other business where you wouldn't be escorted out for trying to buy that company's product from someone that just bought it at 3 x the price right under the company's nose? I just find it odd that they don't tell them take that shit outside or they'll be forced to go outside. Its like stealing profit from a brewery right under their nose, I'm pretty sure the reason they price their beer at cost plus instead of market price is for us, not for themselves.
     
  11. cpinto6

    cpinto6 Initiate (0) Feb 25, 2010 Georgia

    Usually if they're smart they'll just attend another release and repeat. Their hobby can pay for itself with little to no effort thanks to the retarded price structuring in the craft beer world.
     
  12. jegross2

    jegross2 Initiate (0) Jan 3, 2010 Illinois

    Again, what is it FFF's business what people do with beer they paid for? Arbitrage is nothing new, and if FFF didn't like it, they shouldnt sell the bottle at all or charge more. Whats the difference between doing it on premise or 15 mins later in the hotel?
     
  13. BearsOnAcid

    BearsOnAcid Pooh-Bah (2,215) Mar 17, 2009 Massachusetts
    Pooh-Bah Society

    If you don't sell beer on ebay how can you afford to buy beer on ebay?
     
  14. Blanco

    Blanco Savant (1,243) Oct 11, 2008 Pennsylvania

    Trading costs time + money + beer. Say I want to trade for a DL but someone wants some other stout from me of equal rarity/quality. In order to trade I have to post a thread, find a partner, agree on a deal, get packaging, go to fedex/ups, and ship the package. Not to mention, I'm probably not trading Storm King for a DL so I'd end up trading something that took me some effort to acquire (the effort to acquire that bottle costs something too). For $50 I might skip all that nonsense, buy the Dark Lord AND keep the beer I would have traded away to boot.

    Now I don't trade or ebay (neither of those options is worth it to me TBH), but I can see how sitting on my sofa, I might just click the button and plug in my paypal password and wait for my beer.
     
  15. cpinto6

    cpinto6 Initiate (0) Feb 25, 2010 Georgia

    Exactly...most eBayers are BAs regardless of whether people wanna believe it or not. No one has made a business out of reselling beers. Its just a hobby that can easily pay for itself if you're stretched thin. I agree about the witch hunt...I don't get why most people can't see that its inevitable when you have a luxury good with the pricing structure that these breweries have. I don't sell or condone selling beer on eBay but what you do is your problem and I'm not gonna crucify you for it, I'm no moral crusader. If people really want to stop it, its up to the breweries, not consumers. They need to band together and put pressure on eBay or alternatively, do market studies for their products like most companies do and sell at market price. Consumers are never gonna be able to stop the eBay shenannigans
     
  16. jrags8

    jrags8 Initiate (0) Jun 9, 2010 Michigan

    I remember years ago when I was into punk that many albums would have a "do not pay more than $X" or similar on the album cover. The intent was to limit stores from making "too much".

    I always thought it would be cool for a brewery to put something on the label like "This is not a collectable container" or, "Report and dont buy ifyou see this on auction site".

    I am sure it probably wouldn't change much but seems better than just posting about it...
     
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  17. Steimie

    Steimie Maven (1,404) Jan 7, 2012 Michigan

    So that post of yours earlier where you justified selling DL on ebay in order to have the cash to acquire other beers on ebay that you need to trade with all the greedy traders to get the beer you really want...we'll just forget that happened.
     
  18. rt1976

    rt1976 Initiate (0) Apr 29, 2009 Indiana


    have you seen what those records are now selling for? hint - limited availability

    if you really want the black market to explode...put "don't buy it from an auction site" on the label....

    also what if your favorite band lived 5 states away, only sold their records from their basement, and refused to let anyone resell them....should you be prevented from buying one soley because you can't make it to the basement on record release day?
     
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  19. cpinto6

    cpinto6 Initiate (0) Feb 25, 2010 Georgia

    I don't know, get a job, pull from your savings and deplete them completely adam jackson style, get a couple friends to split the bottle with you, whatever you wanna do if you wanna buy beer on eBay. I'd say a lot if not most BAs have bought a beer on there at least once but the same isn't true for selling.
     
  20. cpinto6

    cpinto6 Initiate (0) Feb 25, 2010 Georgia

    I'm not justifying anything, just stating the facts about what I've seen is going on and therefore why it doesn't surprise me at all that an increasingly large number of BAs go the bay route.
     
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