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Westvleteren 12 vs Rochefort 10 and Bernardus 12

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by bochman, Mar 15, 2013.

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  1. very little delta between a Quad and BSDA if any
  2. matedog

    matedog Savant (255) California Jan 25, 2010 Beer Trader

    It's basically the same as reading a review on this site, but with visual aids.
  3. That's the crux of it then, as I don't read reviews either.
  4. Roche 10 and Westy 12 are tied for first, imo. not to mention I can blind taste them from a mile away!!
  5. ne0m00re

    ne0m00re Savant (390) Ohio Feb 19, 2008

    It would only take 30 minutes to drive between the breweries that produce Pannepot, Westvleteren, and St. Bernardus (about 11 miles total). The drive consists of small-town country roads and takes you right by the hops fields in Poperinge.
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  6. mrcraft

    mrcraft Poobah (1,010) California Dec 15, 2012 Beer Trader

    I've had all three with Westy being the most recent. I really enjoyed Rochefort 10. Maybe it was the mystique factor, but when I finally got to try Westy, I felt a bit letdown. What I need to do is get all three and taste them one next to the other.
    Last edited: Nov 7, 2013
  7. DemoniChris

    DemoniChris Savant (460) Nebraska Jun 4, 2013

    BBQ > all those
  8. rightcoast7

    rightcoast7 Savant (495) Florida Apr 2, 2011 Beer Trader

    Yeah, I had a similar experience when I first tried Westy 12. It was great, but it wasn't like the tears of angels from heaven or anything. I've had it twice since though, once in a side by side with the other two mentioned, and it was hands down the best. It just has a level do complexity and more balanced sweetness that the others don't, even though I think Rochefort 10 is phenomenal. IMO it's Westy 12 > Roch 10 > St B 12, with a noticeable drop off in between each.
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  9. reidjoshua

    reidjoshua Savant (350) California May 3, 2013 Beer Trader

    drinking a westy 12 with the BA bros at In de Verde and then getting to watch one of the monk's services in their church easily put's it above the other two :cool:
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  10. azorie

    azorie Champion (770) Florida Mar 18, 2006 Verified

    I would add pannepot and chimay to the mix.
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  11. Rochefort 10 by miles. Then Rochefort 8.
  12. xShoWTeKx

    xShoWTeKx Savant (465) South Carolina Jan 21, 2013 Beer Trader

    Haven't had westy so I can't comment on that but rochfort and abt 12 are among my favorite beers period. With that being said I think rochfort has a nose simply due to my taste preference, but both are amazing.
  13. shnsajax

    shnsajax Advocate (505) Idaho Jul 2, 2013 Beer Trader

    Nothing beats this, easily the best experience of my drinking life.
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  14. papaholmz

    papaholmz Savant (250) South Carolina Nov 7, 2012 Beer Trader

    I liked your post just so I could unlike it.
  15. Preluderl

    Preluderl Advocate (685) Pennsylvania Sep 27, 2012 Beer Trader

    I've not had Rochefort 10 yet but 8 is one of the absolute best things I've ever tasted in my life. It was amazing.
  16. papaholmz

    papaholmz Savant (250) South Carolina Nov 7, 2012 Beer Trader

    I just bought a Magnum of ABT12. Gonna put it in the cellar for a few years and see what it tastes like.
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  17. TequilaSauer

    TequilaSauer Savant (400) Florida Dec 31, 2006

    In the first 2 years, Westy is the best of the 3.
    After aging though, Rocqefort becomes the better beer.

    Pannepot has been the superior beer in every tasting I've done with these beers.
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  18. azorie

    azorie Champion (770) Florida Mar 18, 2006 Verified

    I think the rochefort and westy are equal but different. The pannepot is to die for. and it comes to you.

    Still I do enjoy our trips to pick up a case or two.
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  19. shnsajax

    shnsajax Advocate (505) Idaho Jul 2, 2013 Beer Trader

    I love that bottle, kept it for the collection.
  20. RockAZ

    RockAZ Savant (470) Arizona Jan 6, 2009 Beer Trader

    Love all three, but have to mention (as did others), that the Pannepot Grand Reserve belongs there in that ranking except for it is not a Trappist made beer. No matter your preferences for beer styles, if you like beer you must try all four of these in your life.
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  21. Danny1217

    Danny1217 Advocate (705) Florida Jul 15, 2011 Beer Trader

    Rochefort 10 > Westy 12 > St. Bernardus 12

    All extremely close, and some of my favorite beers.
  22. I'd say they are listed in the correct order in the thread title.
  23. MarcWP

    MarcWP Advocate (515) Arizona Dec 2, 2012 Beer Trader

    I found St Bernardus to be the overly hyped between the three. Westy and Rochefort are just better beers in my opinion. And the beauty of it is that Westy and Rochefort vary amongst themselves enough to keep it interesting. Two of my favorite all time brews
  24. SLOBrewCRUZin

    SLOBrewCRUZin Savant (270) California Sep 30, 2013 Beer Trader

    I had westy, st. Bernardus, pannepot, rochefort, chimay blue, and la trappe in a tasting. My personal preference was pannepot> Westy> Rochefort> St. Bernardus> chimay blue> la trappe. Westy was good, but I didn't hear angels singing when I had it.
  25. papaholmz

    papaholmz Savant (250) South Carolina Nov 7, 2012 Beer Trader

    Just out of curiousity, did the Angels sing when you had the Pannepot?
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  26. Kadonny

    Kadonny Advocate (705) Pennsylvania Sep 5, 2007 Beer Trader

    Abt 12 is hyped? Where? If anything, I'd say it's not talked about enough, it's almost taken for granted. I think Abt 12 is the best of the three because it's not as sweet.

    Fresh Abt 12 is a thing of beauty, so much fruit it's insane.
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  27. SLOBrewCRUZin

    SLOBrewCRUZin Savant (270) California Sep 30, 2013 Beer Trader

    Haha no, unfortunately not, nor was the pot of gold and the end of the rainbow revealed. I probably need to try Westy 12 again , seeing as one taste is never enough to get a sense of a beer, especially something as complex as a quad.
  28. mlhyatt

    mlhyatt Advocate (580) Georgia Jul 27, 2013 Beer Trader

    I haven't had the westy 12 yet, granted it is sitting in my room (not sure what i'm saving it for) but i have had rochefort 10 and st. Bernardus. I would have thrown pannepot into the mix of tasting and as far as i know i would order them rochefort 10, pannepot, then st. Bernardus: leaving room for westy 12 when i try it. All excellent beers. Been waiting for an american brewery to make a quad as good as these. The sixth glass is really good but unfortnately nowhere near these beers.
  29. Dreizhen

    Dreizhen Savant (445) United Kingdom (Scotland) Jun 6, 2013 Verified

    Rochefort>Westy>St. B.I've had a good amount of all 3 and Rochefort is hands down my favorite.
  30. shnsajax

    shnsajax Advocate (505) Idaho Jul 2, 2013 Beer Trader

    Westy>Abt12>Rochefort. Had a Rochefort last night, still like the Abt 12 over it. Might have to drink one tonight. You know, just for science.
  31. SLOBrewCRUZin

    SLOBrewCRUZin Savant (270) California Sep 30, 2013 Beer Trader

    For it to be statistically significant, you need at least 5 reps per sample. Therefore, you must conduct your tasting 15 times. I feel for you.
  32. MarcWP

    MarcWP Advocate (515) Arizona Dec 2, 2012 Beer Trader

    Weird, I found it the sweetest among the three. But the ratings speak for themselves on this one. Maybe that fruitiness is what also didn't do it for me. I like balance and complexity and the St Bernie wasn't on Westy's or Rocheforts level.
  33. SLOBrewCRUZin

    SLOBrewCRUZin Savant (270) California Sep 30, 2013 Beer Trader

    I didn't like St. Bernardus the first couple times I had it. The third time, I enjoyed it. Not sure what to chalk it up to, but it drives home the fact that sss doesn't tell you much about beer one way or another.
  34. Had all 3 on separate occasions. Rochefort 10 has always been a favorite.
  35. Kadonny

    Kadonny Advocate (705) Pennsylvania Sep 5, 2007 Beer Trader

    That is weird. I hardly remember my Westy tasting but ABT12 and Rochefort I have had just recently and in my opinion the Rochefort is much sweeter.
  36. azorie

    azorie Champion (770) Florida Mar 18, 2006 Verified

    only if your in Amsterdam when you do it. lol
  37. Dupage25

    Dupage25 Savant (375) Antarctica Jul 4, 2013

    Haven't had Westy but for me the order goes like this, approximately:

    1. Cuvee Van de Kaizer Blue aged 2-3 years
    2. St. Bernardus ABT 12 750ml bottle aged 2+ years
    3. Fresh Rochefort 10
    4. Rochefort 10 aged 2 years
    5. Fresh St. Bernardus ABT 12 330ml bottle

    Can't remember the other Belgian quadruple strong dark ale beers enough to rank them, with the exception that Alvinne Cuvee D'Pygmy or however it's spelled is the best Belgian quad strong dark ale beer ever. Also enjoy Chimay Blue and Pannepot.
  38. Tayloraphilips

    Tayloraphilips Savant (270) Texas Aug 9, 2013

    Rochefort all day
  39. PSU_Mike

    PSU_Mike Advocate (745) Pennsylvania Sep 6, 2013 Beer Trader

    I had Rochefort 10 and a St. Bernardus Abt 12 this weekend with my father and brother in law. I found them to be VERY similar. Minimal aroma, very well hidden ABV, silky smooth finish, etc. All 3 of us preferred St. Bernardus. Is Westy as similar?
  40. DarthGuitarHero

    DarthGuitarHero Savant (490) Minnesota Jan 15, 2011 Verified

    Two buddies and I did a blind tasting of Rochefort 10, St. Bernardus Abt 12, Westy 12, and Pannepot. All the beers had roughly 1 year of aging. We'd all had all of those beers at least once before.

    We ranked them from best to worst, and tried to guess which was which. All agreed that these are 4 phenomenal beers. It was unanimous that Rochefort 10 was the best, and all agreed that Westy 12 and Rochefort 10 were the most similar to each other. It's good to know that after I drink my last Westy that I can always pick up some Rochefort 10, pour it in my Westy glass, and not really be able to tell the difference.
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