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What is the beer that could finally put us on the map (Texas)

Discussion in 'Southwest' started by BruceBruce, Jan 10, 2013.

  1. DanzBorin

    DanzBorin Savant (425) Texas Apr 11, 2012

    Come to Houston and go into specs looking for a good BBA Stout. Anything local is sold out before it hits the shelf. The only other stuff that I think of on the shelf is BBA Dogfather which is awful.

    Almost all BBA beer in Texas is kegged.

    Jester King barrel ages, but pretty much just sours. Obviously Whiskey Rodeo, but that was so super limited it hardly counts.

    I hope we get bigger programs going with our breweries for barrels. Some companies that have been out there for less time have way bigger barrel programs. See Firestone Walker and Founders for examples. I think that even though some breweries have been around for a good while, the state had such a small amount of breweries that they didn't do some of these things. As the industries grows, I hope it does things to create new and even greater beer.
  2. bentwookie

    bentwookie Initiate (0) Texas Jan 13, 2008

    In my opinion, if the Lost Gold is really fresh is is amazing. Falls off fast though. Just had a week old one last week and it was SO good.
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  3. jamescain

    jamescain Advocate (695) Texas Jul 14, 2009 Beer Trader

    Less time then who? Its expensive and risky to start a barrel aging program which is why most breweries do not do it or do it in small quantities. Founders is also a very large brewery. In fact most breweries that produce a barrel aged beer do so in small quantities and generally release them on the premises. Even if you moved outside of Texas you would be hard pressed to find "quality" BA stouts sitting on the shelves.
  4. H0rnedFr0gs

    H0rnedFr0gs Advocate (520) Texas Mar 12, 2012 Beer Trader

    DIPA - Southern Star, Freetail, SABC
    IPA - Independence, (512), DEBC
    BA Stouts - SABC, JK
    Berliner - Freetail, JK
    Saison - JK, ElkSherpa's tasty treats
    Hefe - Live Oak, Karbach
    Winter Warmer - Peticolas, Rahr
    Barleywine - Live Oak, Rahr
    Vienna - Community has a gold medal winner recipe
    Smoked - Ranger Creek
    Tripel - Real Ale

    Give our great brewers credit...name a style and between the lot they are producing numerous examples of top notch stuff. OK maybe lambic style beers and guezes aren't being done....yet. I'm sure the smart ones of the group can rattle off a number of other popular styles not really represented by TX brewers but you get the idea.

    Map meet Texas. Texas consume Map.
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  5. LarryK

    LarryK Savant (325) New York Jul 13, 2012 Beer Trader

    I think that's what happened for me. I bought a sixer at Spec's Midtown at Thanksgiving and the enjoy by date was sometime in April. It must've just hit the shelves.
  6. DanzBorin

    DanzBorin Savant (425) Texas Apr 11, 2012

    Founders started in 1997. Their facility is on par with Saint Arnold (1994). I do admit they are expanding. I think most of the pressure to get bigger is the bigger craft beer scene there. I think as TX scene grows, our breweries will too.
  7. miikezombie

    miikezombie Savant (390) Texas Aug 13, 2010

    Awesome. It's another steamy episode of "Why Doesn't My Beer Trade for Walez?".
  8. kmello69

    kmello69 Advocate (655) Texas Nov 27, 2011 Beer Trader

    Luckily I just popped some popcorn.
  9. miikezombie

    miikezombie Savant (390) Texas Aug 13, 2010


    In all seriousness, Texas beer arrived a long time ago. We haven't produced anything über hyped, but so what. I have never had trouble landing any beer I have ever wanted.
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  10. BruceBruce

    BruceBruce Initiate (0) Texas Dec 4, 2011

    That is kind of a dumb assumption, was more what brewery/beer is going to come out that is consistently in bottles and world class. This was more that I think Hellfighter is going to be high but not high enough to be great and that Texas reviewers are harder on Texas beers
  11. BruceBruce

    BruceBruce Initiate (0) Texas Dec 4, 2011

    I have gotten to try all the beers I have wanted to off of texas beers and good ba guys not looking to get a whale for anything. Just wondering why a 80 something rated JK is more sought after then say Pumpkinator or Endevour
  12. miikezombie

    miikezombie Savant (390) Texas Aug 13, 2010

    I don't think Texas reviewers are harder on Tx beer. My comment stems from people bringing up "trade value", which I just find silly. I do agree that most of our "world class" beers are tap only.
  13. miikezombie

    miikezombie Savant (390) Texas Aug 13, 2010

    Trust me I don't get that either.
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  14. champ103

    champ103 Champion (965) Texas Sep 3, 2007 Beer Trader

    JK is a hype machine. From the bottle and availability they create, to their persona on here, and the pressers they post here. Not saying that is good or bad, they just know how to market and hype their beers like nobody else in Texas and people here eat it up. On the Southwest forum and the main forum.
    air likes this.
  15. BruceBruce

    BruceBruce Initiate (0) Texas Dec 4, 2011

    I will say it is really cool how often jeff post on here, Aaron and some others from St. Arnolds do but JK really does know how to market
  16. Danielbt

    Danielbt Savant (380) Texas May 4, 2012

    Wow, and here I thought it was awesome Jeff shared info and interacted with his customers on a regular basis, and now I find out it's all part of a highly-tuned HYP-MASHEEN.

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  17. air

    air Savant (370) Texas Mar 28, 2007

    Overall agree with these examples, but DEBC makes the most inconsistent IPA - had it five times, twice before they went commercial, and it's been completely different each time. Lost Gold and Fire Eagle are way better picks.
  18. H0rnedFr0gs

    H0rnedFr0gs Advocate (520) Texas Mar 12, 2012 Beer Trader

    I think a large part of this is the relative ease with which those bottles are obtained across Texas (and thats a great thing for being into craft beer in Texas if not a great thing for the small group of us actively trading). A BA in another market only needs an existing relationship with someone in most any part of Texas to obtain those beers and many BA's already have that relationship going. Whereas with Karbach you need to know someone in Houston and Jester King you need to find someone willing to jump through hoops.

    Another perspective is style based, one that has been discussed before, the more rare the style or the more experimental the beer, the lower the score needed for people's attention to perk up. A 4.3 DIPA might not create a buzz but a 4.3 saison or berliner is all the rage (look at DFH 90 and Southampton Berliner for a comparison)
  19. champ103

    champ103 Champion (965) Texas Sep 3, 2007 Beer Trader

    Hey, Austin Beer Works are on here, so are the Saint Arnold and Freetail guys. I am not saying it is bad, they just work this site more than the others, which creates more hype. Especially when every post seems like a mini presser, and they know how to push all the right buzz words. House yeast, sour, funk, organic, artisanal.
  20. DanzBorin

    DanzBorin Savant (425) Texas Apr 11, 2012

    This is extremely true.

    Shelf beers aren't as sought after as limited/brewery releases for the most part.
  21. starkmarvelo

    starkmarvelo Advocate (550) Nevada Jan 20, 2010 Beer Trader

    Jester King is sought after cause they make great fucking beer. And right now Sour is the new black.

    And I'm not the most experienced trader, but something else to consider is to develop steady trading partners. Or if you have relatives in another state, have them send it to you. Then you get your top wants and you get to keep your Texas beer. And I think Jeff keeps us more informed about their beers. Whether you want to call it marketing or whatever, JK facts are rarely disputed because Jeff chimes in. Imagine if someone from BEK or Deschutes was on here so we wouldn't have to hear 80 different stories about Abyss coming or not coming to TX.
  22. jl28r1

    jl28r1 Savant (490) Texas Jan 10, 2011

    "work the site" ? I have always thought from reading their postings on the site as well as chatting with them at the brewery that they were really happy and proud to be making beer. Nothing wrong with that in my opinion. I wish more brewers were as open to talk to as Jester King is.
    Don't stop working the site Jeff!
  23. icetrauma

    icetrauma Advocate (505) Texas Sep 7, 2004

    Hype = BA's saying "my beer guy says xxxx will be out next week"
    Marketing = JK giving "press releases" on this forum. Smart tool of modern marketing not costing JK an extra dime.

    As far as Tx being on the map, I like to think we are in stealth mode. We might not be on the national radar but we have solid world class brews.
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  24. starkmarvelo

    starkmarvelo Advocate (550) Nevada Jan 20, 2010 Beer Trader

    I do have one complaint...we need Wake n Bake...like now. Seriously :-|
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  25. tofuspeedstar

    tofuspeedstar Savant (290) Texas Jul 12, 2012 Beer Trader

    I just hate it when I try to buy Endeavor and see that it was bottled a month ago :|
  26. FUNKPhD

    FUNKPhD Advocate (515) Texas Apr 13, 2010

    Be a boss and get a case shipped to you. When I want a beer, that's all I do ;)
  27. starkmarvelo

    starkmarvelo Advocate (550) Nevada Jan 20, 2010 Beer Trader

    From the brewery?
  28. Rahr Barrel Aged Winter Warmer
  29. FUNKPhD

    FUNKPhD Advocate (515) Texas Apr 13, 2010

    Knowing people that aren't scared to ship heavy boxes lawl
  30. starkmarvelo

    starkmarvelo Advocate (550) Nevada Jan 20, 2010 Beer Trader

    Haha! Gotcha, I'm one of those people :)
  31. lindsey624

    lindsey624 Aficionado (155) Texas Feb 14, 2009

    Hype= JK announcing on free marketing that a berliner weiss will be out by the end of summer. Shows up next summer.

    Goes both ways
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  32. jesterkingbeer

    jesterkingbeer Advocate (550) Texas Jun 28, 2010 Verified

    We didn't know what the fuck we were doing and still struggle making stainless steel fermented sour beers, which is a method of sour beer making we've now most likely given up on.

    Jeff Stuffings
    Jester King
  33. ehsteve

    ehsteve Savant (285) Texas Jan 13, 2009

    I kind of thought Black Metal was the beer that put us on the map.
  34. pwsoldier

    pwsoldier Advocate (610) Texas Apr 26, 2007

    I give you an A for effort, though I'll admit that the wait was frustrating as hell. And at least you have the nads to admit that it was a struggle for you.

    To be fair to Champ103, he never said that JK's involvement on this forum is a bad thing, just that their level of interaction helps fuel the hype behind their beers, especially the special releases. I think that's more the nature of this forum though rather than an intentional marketing ploy on Jeff's part.
  35. rainerschuhsler

    rainerschuhsler Savant (405) Texas May 17, 2012 Beer Trader

    I think most if not all of us would agree that Jeff and Jester King's involvement on this forum is a GREAT thing! It's always nice to talk to and learn new things from brewers.
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  36. icetrauma

    icetrauma Advocate (505) Texas Sep 7, 2004

    Pumpkinator did a good job as well.
  37. icetrauma

    icetrauma Advocate (505) Texas Sep 7, 2004

    Pumpkinator did a good job as well.
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  38. starkmarvelo

    starkmarvelo Advocate (550) Nevada Jan 20, 2010 Beer Trader

    It's "world class" now ;-)
  39. champ103

    champ103 Champion (965) Texas Sep 3, 2007 Beer Trader

    When did I say there was anything wrong with that? All I said was they their presents here is unlike any other breweries presents on this site. That in and of itself adds to their hype on Beer Advocate.
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  40. Alabama gets Southern Star as well