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What's it take for fou and other cantillon

Discussion in 'Beer Trading Talk & Help' started by LehighAce06, Apr 23, 2014.

  1. I have access to Tired Hands growlers and am in a pretty good distro area, are good shelf beers in quantity or TH growlers likely to get it done for cantillon? I've picked up a pretty good sense of what level different domestics are on but am having trouble fitting imports into the hierarchy.
  2. I think in general, you are looking at something like the following

    Rose/Kriek/Iris $25 ish of limited shelf or brewery only releases (probably something like 1:1 with Backyard Rye?)
    St. Lam $30 ish of very limited shelf or brewery only releases (BCBCS or Black Note?)
    Fou Foune $35-40 ish of limited shelf or brewery (though it also trade 1:1 with something like Prop)
  3. That sounds pretty reasonable, so I could maybe land a Fou Foune with 2 Tired Hands growlers, or a TH and an Abyss (as an example)?

    Also, where does Classic Gueuze fall in that list?

    Lastly, I would appreciate either some consensus or anecdotal support if anyone else would like to weigh in.
  4. EJJ1848

    EJJ1848 Savant (430) Minnesota Jun 24, 2013

    I think the aforementioned is pretty accurate. Someone who gets Shelton Bros distribution may be better at giving insight on how long it lasts, or how limited is. If you want some basic Cantillon check out BIAB
  5. Jwale73

    Jwale73 Advocate (715) Rhode Island Aug 15, 2007

    Just traded a Fou'Foune for a Proprieters
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  6. cp45

    cp45 Savant (390) New Jersey Nov 20, 2012

    I got a St. Lam for some HF growlers and bottles that was part of a larger trade.
  7. I do not think you can get a Fou Foune with two Tired Hands growlers, to be honest.

    You could certainly land one with some Tired Hands bottles.
  8. markgugs

    markgugs Poobah (1,000) New Jersey Dec 20, 2006

    Agreed with Shane, no 2 Tired Hands growlers is = 1 Fou. Maybe 2 Tired Hands bottles. Maybe.
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  9. Fair enough ... so i'm gathering that Fou Foune is to Cantillon as DL is to FFF? As in, other Cantillons will trade roughly $4$ with other generally limited distros but Fou Foune takes a bit extra on the rarity scale, is that right?
  10. I got a Fou for 2 bottles of TH Out of the Emptiness + 1 Allagash Merveilleux. The trader gave me a Westy 12 as an extra so that offsets the Merveilleux. OotE was 6 bottles/person. With the later releases of 2-3 bottles/person, you should be able to do 1 bottle + 1L growler of something more sought after (Light that Spills... or Mago Tago).

    I guess you can look at it that way. Classic Cantillons are like ZD; St. Lam, Vigneronne (probably closer to Fou), Cuvee de Champ are like Permanent Funeral; Fou is like DL (strictly on relative difficulty, but it irks me to see the 2 together in a comparison...hahaha). Of course, then you have those BVDL of Cantillon...yeah. :)
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  11. Yeah this is strictly a relative difficulty comparison, not at all equating the two wildly different beers. That definitely helps shore it up for me. TH bottle releases are a bit too intense for my taste so I guess I'll have to settle for the 'everyday' Cantillons for now, or maybe offer over $4$ and see if I get lucky.
  12. If you can get to TH, you can get to Monk's. They have Cantillon from time to time and sell them for very reasonable price ($30-35 for 750ml), but on premise consumption only. Just call ahead before you go to make sure they have some.
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  13. Thanks for the suggestion, I've been meaning to get there for a very long time (not just for Cantillon) and it just hasn't been in the cards so far. Theresa's Next Door apparently has Cantillon from time to time as well, unfortunately neither are really easy for me to make it to (nor is TH but I've been in their neighborhood recently by chance).
  14. I think $4$ is sort of a hard way to think about Cantillon trades just BC prices vary so much. And in Belgium they are pretty cheap.

    Easier to think about it in terms of comps. Whatever it takes to trade for a Prop (currently) is about what it takes to trade for a Fou.

    Something like ...Hunaphu is probably like a St. Lam.maybe something a bit more rare like Cherry Rye.

    And so on.
  15. Teresa's Cantillon bottle selection is quite good. I've had Fou Foune, St. Lam, Vig, etc. there before.
  16. imfrommichigan

    imfrommichigan Savant (470) Utah Jul 12, 2012

    What do you guys think? Will a box with one each of Bell's BA Cherry, Backyard, KBS, Black Note, BBPt5th, and BB4D be able to land FF plus maybe another Loon? Any LPs as the plus?
  17. Hey, don't jack my thread! ;)
  18. Sarge3130

    Sarge3130 Savant (415) Pennsylvania May 13, 2012

    I have a regular trade partner going on two years, I ship TH and Forest & Main growlers for Cantillon's. I also set aside bottles when I can make releases as well. We're both happy with the arrangment so I think it's more about finding the right trade partner. If you're looking for a one and done trade; 2 TH growlers for a FF, I agree with the above, prolly won't get done unless a limited bottle or two is in the conversation. good luck.
  19. Thanks man, that's very helpful; really gives me a good sense of it. When the time comes that I'm not laying low from trades, hopefully I'll have a good bottle or two available to sweeten a growler or two and i can get it done.
  20. I recently got a Fou for a BA Wee Heavy from Alesmith. So I would agree with the value placed above.
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  21. Traded away my last fou last week for Siberian black panther set and 2 westy 12
  22. So I was able to land some loons this month, thanks in part to the help from this thread, so thank you guys. The first was a (small) Rose de Gambrinus as one of 4 bottles I got for 2 TH growlers, the other trade was a box that went to the Netherlands and brought me back a Pannepot Grand Reserva, few Westy 12s, and 4 (large) Cantillons: Iris, Vigneronne, Cuvee des Champ, and Lou Pepe Gueuze... I'm very much looking forward to trying all of these.

    That said.... still ISO Fou :)
  23. I just landed a fou foune for a Grey Monday + wanderer + sour in the rye kumquat
  24. @Lehighace06 - I'd suggest holding out a few months until the new FF batch drops in the fall/autumn. Some folks have complained that the 2013 vintage wasn't as fruity as previous years. Although the two cases I bought last November seemed to be fine....or at least all the ones I drank were. The rest were traded with fellas on here so I hope those were ok too.
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  25. That's been kinda my plan since I learned what time of year it comes out, I was not yet aware of the date when I posted this in April. ... Also, 2 cases? I think I'm moving overseas.
  26. markgugs

    markgugs Poobah (1,000) New Jersey Dec 20, 2006

    jesus christ I hope he took care of you w/ extras

    I traded Fou & Beat6 for Kern Citra x2, Mother of all Storms, Pirate Bomb & Karbach BA Hellfighter. those Bruery beers are like $75
  27. He said he would so we will see when my package comes haha
  28. gueuzedreg

    gueuzedreg Advocate (540) Colorado Jan 18, 2013

    I think I need to do this
  29. RichD

    RichD Advocate (735) Rhode Island Mar 18, 2012

    Is a Chocolate Rain too much for a bottle of Fou Foune? I'd really want to keep my Choc Rain, but I know for a fact that I cannot drink a full 750 of it in one sitting.

    If it is too much for a FF, what is Chocolate Rain trading for these days?
  30. I doubt you'd be able to get a FF for a Chocolate Rain. my guess is CR might be 1:1 with Vig or St. Lam
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  31. bsnone

    bsnone Savant (255) Arizona Nov 22, 2012

    I did CR for Rose plus some Almanac FWIW... I'd be shocked if it could get Fou...
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  32. I gave up Grey Monday ++ for a fou foune
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  33. PG2G

    PG2G Savant (470) California Dec 26, 2011

    You guys think a V013 would get it done? Maybe if I wait til later in the year for the 2014 release?
  34. I think a veritas would get it done!
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  35. V013 1:1 for Fou sounds like an very fair deal for both sides.
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  36. jivex5k

    jivex5k Advocate (650) Florida Apr 13, 2011

    Why does Fou trade so high? Cascade apricot is just as good IMHO.
  37. atpca

    atpca Advocate (625) California Jun 10, 2013

    Oh BS! Love 'em both but they're not in the same ballpark. Fou Foune trades high because it's a relatively small release (3000 bottles) of fantastic beer from a cult favorite brewery.
  38. jivex5k

    jivex5k Advocate (650) Florida Apr 13, 2011

    Oh damn didn't realize bottle count was so low. Makes a lot more sense now.
    I'm glad I like these bigger releases just as much though. Anderson Valley Gose is close enough for me, no need to trade for WB, and no desire to trade an arm and a leg for this when I can just order a Cascade that's close enough.
  39. atpca

    atpca Advocate (625) California Jun 10, 2013

    My bad -- I remembered wrong; 3000l or 4000 bottles/year, but still.

    Yeah, Fou Foune, Fuzzy, West Ashley, Veritas 013 -- all so tasty, all so insanely hard to get. Cascade is a nice (if still a bit pricey) crutch to keep us going!
  40. PG2G

    PG2G Savant (470) California Dec 26, 2011

    The days of ordering Cascade are over :/

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