What's the deal with "Ann?"

Discussion in 'Beer Trading Talk & Help' started by mikeincharleston, Jul 22, 2012.


  1. It's also possible it was phenomenal fresh and has dropped off very quickly. There's a few sensible reviewers I trust in there that gave it pretty high scores.
     
  2. BearsOnAcid

    BearsOnAcid Advocate (735) Massachusetts Mar 17, 2009 Verified

    Good post. "Hey let me bump this old to say this beer is really hyped but I thought it was delicious."
     
  3. Pahn

    Pahn Advocate (740) New York Dec 2, 2009 Verified

    what you're exhibiting here (getting caught up in so-called "hype", other people's opinions, perceptions of "value", etc) is more of the problem than people asking a lot for their bottle of ann, or giving it an all 5 review (even if the beer isn't all that great).

    this whole subsection of the forum and the "trading community" as a whole would be elevated by several orders of magnitude if everyone read and understood this post. your attitude matters, people. people aren't selling $200 bottles of beer because it secretly has cocaine in it, they're selling $200 bottles of muled beer because OMG everyone says this one is the best but IIIIII say it's not so great but i have to try that other one and... [trails off]
     
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  4. cavedave

    cavedave Poobah (1,060) New York Mar 12, 2009 Verified

    Wow our brew club is looking for unconventional ingredients.

    Into boil, primary, or secondary? I'm thinking maybe a nice Saison? Barleywine?
     
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  5. Nah man, you've got to dry-base it...
     
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  6. Sometimes i ask for my pumpkinhead glass to be rimmed in the devil's dandruff
     
  7. huskermike12

    huskermike12 Savant (485) Vermont Nov 14, 2011

  8. mjohnson17

    mjohnson17 Advocate (620) Illinois Apr 29, 2012 Verified

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  9. Maybe people can get to FFF more easily so they don't mind going to get something to trade, but HF is a pain to get to, so people don't drive there just to get something to trade, they get something to drink
     
  10. BearsOnAcid

    BearsOnAcid Advocate (735) Massachusetts Mar 17, 2009 Verified

    You don't even know man. The street sign for the dirt road was missing for a long time. The hill Farmstead sign is probably 5"x5" and visible only after you've passed it. You basically have to follow the growler line to find the place. The neighbor doesnt even know there is a brewery there.
     
  11. vonnegut21

    vonnegut21 Advocate (590) New York Apr 27, 2012 Verified

    Full disclosure: I've had Ann. I greatly enjoyed Ann. I do not have anymore Ann. I would not give up the ridiculous things people are asking to have Ann again.

    Yes, you're completely right. People over-sell the difficulty of getting Hill Farmstead beer. At the same time, it really is a pain to get to the brewery for most of us. I don't see nearly as much backlash about complaints of how hard it is to get to Russian River or wherever else. Everyone overvalues their beer and their time. Hill Farmstead beers are not the only ones that this is happening to.... (ex: KH, Rare, BCBVS, CBS and now pretty much anything "brewery only" or "limited")

    Combine the insanely high demand, the fact that almost everything they make is exceptionally tasty, the extremely low bottle counts of many of their releases, and the relatively small number of people willing to go and get them and you get ridiculous posts like the one above. FT: Ann ISO: Wale + Another Wale.

    Haven't you guys heard the Hill Farmstead traders cartel plan for BA domination?

    Step 1: Buy Hill Farmstead beer
    Step 2: ...
    Step 3: Walez

    All joking aside, I hope nobody actually gives up a BA DL and a Blabaer, but with the way things are going it might actually happen. 90% of us that go to Hill Farmstead just really enjoy drinking their beer and spreading the love whenever possible. The other 10% make us look bad.
     
  12. vonnegut21

    vonnegut21 Advocate (590) New York Apr 27, 2012 Verified

    Luckily the release day growler line is visible for several miles before you have to turn onto the road the brewery is on.
     
  13. LoPo87

    LoPo87 Aficionado (245) Oregon Mar 9, 2012

    I think I am going to move out of Portland to the middle of nowhere in Oregon. That way, for every Portland release, I can use the excuse that I had to drive so far to get the beer so it is clearly worth way more than the sale price. I would be well on my way to having walez in no time!
     
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  14. stevec32

    stevec32 Savant (440) New York Mar 26, 2012 Verified

    If people are actually bringing that up when trading HF then maybe you have a point however I havent seen it. What I have seen is people complaining that they put up an ISO for HF and got crickets. Then someone who has been to "The Farm" explains that due to the fact that its in the middle of nowhere and they have small bottle limits the people who go typically want to drink the beer they got. Therefor if you want to convince someone to trade something they wernt planning on trading you might have to overpay.

    So basicly if you moved out of portland it may take more to pry those bottles from your hands but no one would need to trade with you since all the other portland traders are also options. With Hill Farmsted there are literaly no locals.
     
  15. CheapBeerBuzz

    CheapBeerBuzz Advocate (640) California Dec 20, 2011 Verified

    Why won't this thread just die? I think we will have to make a concerted effort to drink every last bottle of Ann so that we can be done with this once and for all.

    PS, I have had Ann. It was good, not amazing. I would much rather trade for Mimosa and Norma. Both better beers.

    I will report back with the bottle number we consumed. Maybe we can start a list of the bottle numbers until we have gone through all 180 of them...:p
     
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  16. LoPo87

    LoPo87 Aficionado (245) Oregon Mar 9, 2012

    Ahh ok. So all breweries should move into the middle of nowhere as to increase their hype. Got it.

    Sarcasm man. There have been plenty of people on these boards claiming the drive to the brewery, time spent in line camping out, state tax etc. factor into the value of the beer they possess. Not only HF beers either. I was mainly poking fun at that BA DL + Blabaer ISO though. And come on, us Portland people hoard all of our beer for ourselves. We don't trade any of it :D
     
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  17. franklinn

    franklinn Savant (440) Vermont May 29, 2012

    literally is a strong word ;)
     
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  18. sarro

    sarro Savant (380) Michigan May 12, 2009 Verified

    I tried setting up so many pre-trades after first trying Ann in May. I think I had 5-6 fall through.
    That was when there were only 2 reviews up and I "strategically" didn't put my own up.
    Didn't help much...
     
  19. vonnegut21

    vonnegut21 Advocate (590) New York Apr 27, 2012 Verified

    Yeah, I remember your ISO's being pretty generous... I assumed you'd gotten one done. Ann is obviously getting pretty out of hand.

    But so is "shelf beer" like Geneology of Morals. That is what we're doing now, right? Calling any beer that's ever been on a shelf "shelf beer?" Did I do that right?

    ISO: Geneology of Morals FT: My shelf beer $4$ of course
     
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  20. MordorMongo

    MordorMongo Initiate (0) Jul 19, 2009

    I thought all the toil and trouble to get those HF was to drink them, not trade them?


    Mind. Blown.
     
  21. But I still have my Ann! I've tasted it before, and love it.
     
  22. It's not what you think :eek:!
     
  23. CheapBeerBuzz

    CheapBeerBuzz Advocate (640) California Dec 20, 2011 Verified

    I can vouch for Kevin and his brother. They have a nice cellar and just try to trade duplicates they have collected over time for items they haven't tried. He may be a bit of a homer ( :)) , but he has no intention of trading that bottle and inflating it's "value".

    Sorry Kevin, I still stand by my comment:

    And I will update the thread with my bottle number so we can start killing these bottles off, hopefully forever. I am not under the impression they will age extremely well either. I love Peche N Brett (no, not trading any of my remaining bottles that I have fought for on these forums...), but again, it likely won't survive the test of time. These are not ageless lambics...
     
  24. Thank you sir! And your post was the main reason I commented. I'm unsure how it will age, and often wonder if there's a reason that so few bottles have wax on them from HF...maybe it's a hint.

    And yes, I am a homer: HT > Pliny. Jack's Abby rules!
     
  25. CheapBeerBuzz

    CheapBeerBuzz Advocate (640) California Dec 20, 2011 Verified

    Hill Topper = Pliny

    We have done that tasting over and over again. A fresh Pliny is as good or better than Hill Topper. Hill Topper is as good or better than Pliny. The argument is really moot. Both great beers. I would say that RRB is way better than Alchemist. Their other IPA/DIPA offerings are way better than anything else Alchemist makes. And they make world class sours too. Some of RRB's best beers never leave the state (Compunction, Hopfather, Framboise for a Cure).

    Jack's Abbey is very good, but they make a very limited number of styles. Time will tell on those guys. PS, where is my Kiwi Rising bottles you guys owe me?;)

    Now if you are talking about HF's other beers that are not bottled (Edward, Abner, What is Enlightenment, S&S #5), NOW you are talking. Those are better than almost anything out there. Only Alpine and some other limited offerings from the Pizza Ports measure up IMO. We need a poll, insert here:
     
  26. franklinn

    franklinn Savant (440) Vermont May 29, 2012

    I see that you are from California... I'm really NOT trying to be condescending, but what else from The Alchemist have you had? Did you visit the brewpub before the flood? They made amazing beer and an amazing number of styles. Not trying to put down russian river at all (everything I've had from them has been a treat) or change your mind. Just wondering where you're coming from on this statement :)

    p.s. I have a couple of FfaC headed my way that I'm very excited to try!
     
  27. I think it's being brewed as we speak.
     
  28. CheapBeerBuzz

    CheapBeerBuzz Advocate (640) California Dec 20, 2011 Verified

    Let me know what you think of the FFaC.