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Wheatwine - Under Appreciated or Terrible?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by CloudStrife, Jan 30, 2013.

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Wheatwine or Barleywine?

  1. Wheatwine

    24.2%
  2. Barleywine

    75.8%
  1. CloudStrife

    CloudStrife Savant (405) New York Nov 20, 2008

    Have tried a few wheatwines recently and been quite happy with the results. Looking back through the different wheatwines on this site I can recollect trying four. Pilgrims Dole, Triticus, Smuttynose and right now Graupel.

    I was surprised to see that there are only 33 in the top 50... The description has "A somewhat recent and over-looked American strong ale" So what are your thoughts? Would you like to see more breweries experimenting with Wheatwines or would their time be better spent with a more traditional Barleywine?

    Starting it off, I am all for more breweries trying this style. It would be great to try a bourbon barrel aged variant as well.
     
  2. beertunes

    beertunes Poobah (1,035) Washington Sep 24, 2007

    One of my favorite Washington brewed beers is Old Sol Wheatwine by Big Time Brewing. I love the style.
     
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  3. CloudStrife

    CloudStrife Savant (405) New York Nov 20, 2008

    Looks like a mighty fine wheatwine... Seattle is where my roots are at so next time I'm home I will be on the hunt for some... Big Time.
     
  4. Very under appreciated!!
     
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  5. Goosey

    Goosey Aficionado (240) Missouri Jan 18, 2012

    Bourbon barrel pilgrims dole was excellent, as well as perennial heart of gold. Harvest dance was very satisfying also. I say the more styles of beer in production, the better. They also age well.
     
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  6. WagonCircler

    WagonCircler Savant (280) New York May 15, 2011

    I'm surprised that Ithaca 13 is not on your list.

    Its old, but still tastes pretty good today.
     
  7. FosterJM

    FosterJM Champion (825) California Nov 16, 2009

    To the OP:

    Go drink a Harvest Dance from Boulvard or a White Chocolate from the Bruery. Bad ass Wheatwines.

    Cheers!
     
  8. FosterJM

    FosterJM Champion (825) California Nov 16, 2009

    That was a tasty beer.

    Cheers!
     
  9. zachary80

    zachary80 Savant (325) Indiana Nov 29, 2009

    I certainly don't see why the question has to be one or the other. Founders Nemesis (listed here as the 2009) was a delicious wheatwine. Other than that, the only one I'm sure I have had was Pilgrim's Dole (which I gave a 3.7). I've had countless better barleywines, but there are also far more on the market. I'd like to know why this is, whether it is had to brew a great example of, or just due to a lack of demand.
     
  10. CloudStrife

    CloudStrife Savant (405) New York Nov 20, 2008

    Good call, certainly is not one I have tried but would love to, Ithaca can hold down a brew. Got me thinking of numbers and another wheatwine I've had is Weyerbacher XIV. Have had the pleasure of two of them in the last few months. Great with some age!
     
  11. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Poobah (1,135) Wyoming Sep 14, 2002

    I've had the Smuttynose, Harvest Dance from Boulevard, and 13 Hour Wheat from FT Collins. I thought they were decent to good but I'll take a good Barleywine style ale over any of them every time.
     
  12. CloudStrife

    CloudStrife Savant (405) New York Nov 20, 2008

    I should of phrased the question: What would you want to see your favorite brewery try a new version of?

    But that was ending a sentence in a preposition. :-0
     
  13. I love 'em but haven't found one that tops a top-notch barleywine.
     
  14. can't say I have actually ever tried a wheatwine... but thanks to you guys... it is on my beer bucket list for the month of February.
     
  15. Ryewine 4 life.
     
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  16. Jerome1929

    Jerome1929 Savant (275) Michigan Sep 11, 2008

    I haven't had many but Short's Anniversary Ale is my favorite.
     
  17. CloudStrife

    CloudStrife Savant (405) New York Nov 20, 2008

    I can agree with that wholeheartedly but its a difficult comparison. This site lists 531 barleywines to 87 wheatwines. It is inevitable that there are better barleywines.
     
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  18. zachary80

    zachary80 Savant (325) Indiana Nov 29, 2009

    In that case, I'd love to see more wheatwines, at least as seasonal/special releases.

    Also, in response to that 'rule' which I hate: "Not only is the preposition acceptable at the end, sometimes it is more effective in that spot than anywhere else" - http://books.google.com/books?id=sj5_wr6zIEcC&lpg=PA112&ots=msb1sgR9kK&dq=Not only is the preposition acceptable at the end, sometimes it is more effective in that spot than anywhere else&pg=PA112#v=onepage&q=Not only is the preposition acceptable at the end, sometimes it is more effective in that spot than anywhere else&f=false


    Forgot this was a wheatwine - personally I found it least appealing of the three, but the blood orange also really separates it from the crowd
     
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  19. Wisconsin

    Wisconsin Savant (370) Wisconsin Jul 24, 2008

    I've only had one and liked it. Wish I could find more of them.
     
  20. SeaOfShells

    SeaOfShells Savant (350) California Feb 22, 2011

    If only it were that easy.
     
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  21. mellowmark

    mellowmark Savant (465) Minnesota Mar 31, 2010

    I prefer Rye Wine over both.
     
  22. FosterJM

    FosterJM Champion (825) California Nov 16, 2009

    Touche. My apologies.

    Cheers!
     
  23. CloudStrife

    CloudStrife Savant (405) New York Nov 20, 2008

    This is new to me and very intriguing. I have always enjoyed RyePA's. What are some Rye Wines out there?
     
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  24. jtmartino

    jtmartino Savant (470) California Dec 11, 2010

    The wheatwines I've had are typically much sweeter and not as complex as most English Barleywines. It's a turn-off for a lot of people I've shared with.

    White Chocolate is no exception - it's a tasty beer, but damn it's really really sweet. Tastes like a Bruery/Southern Tier collab.
     
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  25. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Poobah (1,135) Wyoming Sep 14, 2002

    I'd like to see a list of them too.
     
  26. mellowmark

    mellowmark Savant (465) Minnesota Mar 31, 2010

    My personal favorite, and while it might be listed as so on this website, is Rye-on-Rye from Boulevard. Also, Rye Wyne from Brau Brothers is pretty awesome, but expensive.
     
  27. Cenosillicaphobe

    Cenosillicaphobe Savant (360) Maine Jul 24, 2011

    Yeah...I'll just run to the store real quick and grab one...brb...lol.
     
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  28. HardyA

    HardyA Savant (265) Michigan Jan 26, 2013

    I choose neither. Both are terrible
     
  29. CloudStrife

    CloudStrife Savant (405) New York Nov 20, 2008

    That is a good point. The 50%+ wheat does give a very sweet taste to the beer. However funny you should mention Southern Tier as their sweeter beers are what really turned me on to craft beer. I am beginning to see a correlation here. Don't get me wrong I would be preferable to a more complex barley wine, just curious if other brewers could master this style.
     
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  30. beertunes

    beertunes Poobah (1,035) Washington Sep 24, 2007

    I've generally found Wheatwines to be drier and have earthier grain flavors than Barleywines. Wheatwines are one of the few "big" beers I like during hot weather. I can't ever remember wanting a big, sweet, sticky Barleywine when I'm outside in the Summer, but Wheatwines hit that spot just right.
     
  31. Portsmouth's Wheat Wine is amazing and better than any sweet barleywine I've ever had. To me, the hoppier barleywines are almost a different style altogether.
     
  32. Boogoop was pretty great.
     
  33. shand

    shand Advocate (645) Florida Jul 13, 2010

    I've only had a sample of Harvest Dance, but I thought it was very good and am open to trying more beers from the style.
     
  34. Cenosillicaphobe

    Cenosillicaphobe Savant (360) Maine Jul 24, 2011

    Not really the same thing...but it's in the ballpark...Three Floyds and Mikkeller did a buckwheat wine collab called Boogoop that I enjoyed immensely. My only experience with an actual wheat wine was Portsmouth Brewery's rendition...don't recall a name...but it was merely okay to me.

    EDIT: ...aaaaand FriarTuckInLuck beat me to the Boogoop lol.
     
  35. Cenosillicaphobe

    Cenosillicaphobe Savant (360) Maine Jul 24, 2011

    Yup...and I'm wondering how the cellar is treating it...can't wait to try.
     
  36. poopinmybutt

    poopinmybutt Savant (255) Nebraska May 25, 2005

    boulevards harvest dance is hard to beat for $8/per.

    drink it fresh. the citra hops fade a lot after a bit.
     
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  37. danieelol

    danieelol Advocate (510) Australia Jun 15, 2010

    Generally prefer Barleywines but Jackie O's Bourbon Berry Grove was awesome! Not sure how reflective of Wheatwines in general it is though.
     
  38. salzar

    salzar Initiate (0) California Dec 27, 2008

    White oak sap from the Bruery is amazing!!!
     
  39. Dope

    Dope Advocate (545) Massachusetts Oct 5, 2010

    Yup, didn't get a ton of love here but I gave it a 4.43. Delicious. Bought another to age and now it's retired, alas. :(

    Dope
     
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  40. 33 in the top 50 what? I think Im missing something here.
     
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