just this year. i tried some eclipses in late 2010 and found them pretty bad. i attacked their quality, but i didn't say they were overpriced for a barrel-aged beer. $25 or so is in line for most -bal aged stouts. incidentally, the brewer jumped on my ass for saying the bottles were bad (they had strong elements of ash and char). after reading reviews and other threads, i got clued in to bottle variation and presented my findings. he flipped his shit. he was especially livid after i called him out for hyping pvw eclipse's value in someone else's trade thread. not that that's relevant here, i just find it funny. two-ish years later, the price is $8 higher per bottle, and it has surpassed the price of the underlying whiskeys. now, as you stated, i actually am attacking the price. btw, north coast is cheaper per oz ($23/16.9 = $1.36) than eclipse ($33 / 22 = $1.50). i also tried a few of the 2011 bottles after people told me they were better. they were, but i had two bottles of the elijah craig 20 (white wax) and they tasted different. so clearly their problem isn't under control. and to raise prices yet again despite not dialing that in is just ridiculous. so if anyone is contending that i haven't at least tried a few eclipses before making my criticisms - i have. and yes, i'm vocal, and i'm an asshole, but i'm quite willing to reverse my position if new evidence comes to light. so far, none has. north coast's pricing is definitely off for some areas of the country where the bottles linger. the stores i frequent run out of bottles in 6 months or so, which i think is good pricing. but i've been to several stores with 2011 and 2012 eclipses side by side, which i think is an issue. if you can buy a vertical off the shelves, it's probably overpriced. and again, let me reiterate that there have been multiple threads on eclipse bottle variation (in past years) and prices (several just this year), which are important: it's not like i'm the only guy saying these things. i think eclipse would be ok as a $12 beer. abyss should be $18 and parabola should be $25. interesting info, thanks for the link. i wonder if this will become a more widespread thing.